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How to help my mum help herself

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PerverseConverse · 20/11/2018 13:07

Some details changed rather than name changing.

My mum is nearly 78, in good health, no dementia, no depression, but recovering from a broken foot after tripping in the summer. She has a history of falls spanning 15 years or so. Foot is fully healed and although a bit stiff and painful she's doing ok on it. Not using a stick or any other walking aid. However she's still not back to driving and is relying on others for shopping, transport to appointments, routine errands etc. She's about a mile from the shops but involves a big hill that has pavements in very poor condition. There's a local bus which she'd have to walk ten mins to get to the stop.

She's been pretty much housebound for 3 and a half months although a family member has taken her shopping a handful of times and a friend takes her to an exercise class.

I'm finding she's becoming more and more apathetic over things and I'm stuck as how to help her out of it.

For example there's been couple of birthdays and anniversaries in the past week. She got taken to the shops to get the cards but then didn't get stamps so had to ask a neighbour to post them. Knowing she'd need more than one stamp she didn't think to get a book of them and was then stuck again for the next card so it was late.

She was invited out to a birthday lunch (a couple of days after the actual birthday itself) last week but instead of thinking great she was more annoyed that the friend hadn't come round to see her beforehand so that she could give her the card and present. That made her complain that she couldn't get the card posted in time as though it was the friends fault for not seeing her earlier.

She's like this most of the time with her approach to things and it's really getting me down. Instead of a positive approach and problem solving she's tending to leave things up to others to sort out for her. Her siblings tended to look upon her as "poor converses mum" and this annoyed the hell out of her as she was and is quite capable.

If I say anything she says I'm not helping her by pointing it out and making her feel worse and like she's not capable of doing anything. That frustrates me more as my point is that she's perfectly capable of doing these things and organising her own life but relies on others to help her out.

She'll ask me for telephone numbers, shop opening hours etc all of which she can access via google just as easily as I can. I've shown her several times how to do this. Runs out of milk or bread then asks me to get her some and take it there. That would take me about 90 minutes to do so isn't a small ask. She asks me because she doesn't like asking the neighbours that drive even though they've offered to help.

She'll complain no one rings her or goes to see her but doesn't ring people herself or go to see them. It's as though she doesn't get that it's a two way street and she needs to be proactive.

When she broke her foot I was there every day helping her shower, doing all her cleaning, shopping, washing, and cooking. Attending to any admin stuff that needed doing and whatever else she needed. I don't drive, am a single mum to 3 children and live a good mile and a half away. My home life suffered as I was at her house for 5 to 8 hours a day, every day, the children were stressed by the changes to routine and it was a difficult time. We couldn't get any carers for the times she needed them after the first week so that was a no go. It was hard work but she's my mum and I happily helped her and no one else could would.

This fall has obviously knocked her confidence but she was like this before, just not as much. How can I help her to help herself more and be less reliant on others?

I feel really disloyal and mean writing this but it's getting me down and I don't know how to help her.

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NoDancingPolicy · 20/11/2018 13:42

Replies to this type of thread fall into 2 categories:
(1) She's your mum, she's getting old, stop complaining and help her.
(2) Don't be manipulated, live your own life and learn to say no to her.
Either way, the long term affect on you is significant.
So much depends on what your relationship was like before she became ill.

PerverseConverse · 20/11/2018 13:48

I'm happy to help her, I'm just not sure how. Doing things for her that she can do herself though isn't something I'm prepared to do. She gets annoyed with me if I don't which is unfair.

We've always been very close which is probably why things fall to me to do rather than anybody else.

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PerverseConverse · 20/11/2018 13:50

To clarify: she isn't ill. She's just not fully up and about to the level she was before the fall. She's usually fully independent apart from things like looking up phone numbers, sorting finances, anything that requires problem solving. She just gives up without even trying.

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eggncress · 20/11/2018 13:53

She’s getting on a bit now so she will require more help or input from you or others rather than less.
Maybe a GP appointment for a cognitive assessment/ memory test to assess her needs.
If you are close, is moving into a spare room at your house an option?

Kate189 · 20/11/2018 13:56

I totally agree with "NodancingPolicy" but don't loose hope and everything will be fine! Smile

PerverseConverse · 20/11/2018 13:57

She's mentally fine and no, not possible for any house rearranging. She's fully independent, that's what's frustrating me. She can do things but is choosing to be helpless on things like organisation and every day tasks. She's taking the easy way out of getting someone else to do things she can do.

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Thankyounext · 20/11/2018 14:02

She will find it harder and harder to do those things that take organising and remembering. She’s 78!

Has she had a memory test at the doctor’s? The first sign there was a problem for my dm was not being able to use the computer any more. She also had to give up driving at 75.

Just because your mum has been active and capable so far doesn’t mean she will stay like that forever. Lots of what you describe is normal ageing.

She will have to rely on people closer to her however if she just needs milk or bread or something.

NotTheFordType · 20/11/2018 14:03

Are you sure she is not depressed? Some of this behaviour sounds like shit I did when depressed. Running out of milk, stamps etc.

That aside, the only way to stop this is to stop enabling her. When she asks you to bring bread, say no. "That won't work for me today mum. You'll have ask a neighbour. But maybe this weekend I can help you set up an online shop from the supermarket."

Thankyounext · 20/11/2018 14:04

Sorry I meant that it could be normal ageing or it could be the first signs of dementia.

primoestate · 20/11/2018 14:10

Try and preempt things yourself.
Buy big cravendale milk with long dates on. Should last her a week.
Get a pile of cards and stamps in stock for her in her house.
Check what the next week/fortnight holds for her and try and cover the bases for her.
Is there a taxi driver she could depend on on a regular basis?
You can't change her mindset but it'll simplify your life if you just take over a few things.

PerverseConverse · 20/11/2018 14:13

She gets herself flustered more than anything and then seems unable to process stuff as she's in a pickle. She remembers all birthdays and other important stuff, no self care issues, nothing to suggest any dementia. I feel like she just decides to be helpless rather than figure things out herself. I help her loads, I do online shopping for her if unable to get out as we normally do the weekly shop together and have done for decades.
I have stopped helping with some things. Like the stamp. I wasn't prepared to walk 3 miles when I was full of a virus last week just to take her a stamp. It's too much and cuts into my day massively when she can simply ask her friend and neighbour, there's at least 4 who will help, to help with whatever she needs.
She kind of expects people to be mind readers as to what she wants. People will say they'll visit on such a day and she won't set a time with them but then complains she doesn't know what time they are coming and feels she can't do anything all day because she's waiting. Never occurs to her to take control of any situation and it's driving me crazy.

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CMOTDibbler · 20/11/2018 14:19

Practically, a mobility scooter would make a big difference to her as she could go to the shops independently.

But it does sound like she has got used to you being very available, and its time to reduce that else she will get less and less independent.

primoestate · 20/11/2018 14:22

OP
Put a weekly calendar on her wall with each days appointments/needs.
It sounds like you're going to have to take a bit of control in the memory situation. Brain atrophy as we age affects different people in different ways. She may cope perfectly well in some scenarios but may struggle in others.

haverhill · 20/11/2018 14:29

If this is her basic nature, she isn't going to radically change at 78. And I agree with other OPs that it does sound like fairly normal ageing.
Some really good ideas on here to help, like getting in a stock of cards/stamps, big wall planner etc.
You can only do what you can do. It's unreasonable of her to expect you to use deveral hours of your day to bring her trivial things - or is she lonely and needing company?

SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 20/11/2018 14:33

I got the same impression as Ford reading this, wondering if there was some depression there. I believe some level of depression in elderly people is common, and a docs trip might help, if you could persuade her. Is an online shop an answer to part of the problem?

PerverseConverse · 20/11/2018 14:42

CMOTDibbler I think she has got used to me being around and relying on me. I've had to remind her a few times that I'll be going back to work soon and won't be around as much.

She puts everything on her calendar so doesn't need help with things like appointments or dates. I don't want to be writing things like "buy stamps" or whatever as she knows she needs to do this but will say she's got no one to take her and "doesn't like to ask" I said the other day to buy a book of them so she's got them handy but she only asked her neighbour to post the card instead of doing that and getting a book of stamps.

She's capable of doing everything herself but she's choosing not to.

Driving is an issue to broach separately. She could drive but doesn't feel up to it yet which is fair enough and I've told her she needs an older person driving assessment as she's not as quick with reactions and her judgment is off. I refused to go on the motorway with her and now won't go with her at all until she's been assessed. She's not driven for nearly 4 months now which is quite a long time plus not as mobile with flexing her foot.

I think she's fed up of being stuck in and is missing being out and about but there's not much stopping her really. She's lonely but it's really up to her to make arrangements with her friends to do something. They'd all happily pick her up and drop her off but she's of the mindset that unless they suggest doing something she's not going to make plans.its so frustrating. So and so never phones or comes to see me is a frequent comment. If I ask if she phoned them or arranges to meet up she says well no.... This time last year I had a boyfriend and she made a comment about me not being around as much now I had him to go out with. This is the same woman who now bemoans the fact I'm single and intent on staying that way 😩 I can't win.

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PerverseConverse · 20/11/2018 14:47

Thanks everyone for the help. I have told her to buy 2 big bottles of cravendale to ensure she has a spare in incase of any bad weather or illness. And to make sure there's a spare loaf in the freezer and tins of soup and other bits and bobs. She's not bothered to do that. I suggested that two years ago and frequently remind her. I've suggested she goes to the GP so will see what happens. There's only so much I can do and sometimes I feel like I have an extra responsibility for her as well as my children. She's got to start asking those nearer to help and be more forthcoming in sorting things instead of the fall back of converse will do it.

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NoDancingPolicy · 20/11/2018 15:23

With the organisational stuff, my mum (79) is now exactly the same. She won't call or arrange anything herself, and tells me that because I work full time, have 2DC, family home to run, etc, it's my job to let her know when I am free. So far I have refused to add 'making sure mum sees me and the kids as much as she likes' onto my to-do list. She's retired and has loads of time but refuses to call me, invite me round, or make any effort at all. And then she is hurt because she doesn't see us.
So much of her behaviour now is now about mind games. Another example - she will no longer cross my threshold without being formally invited into the house. We've never done this as a family. We open the door say hello and family and friends just walk in. Now she stands on the doorstep and waits. I hold the door open and stand back but she won't come in. She waits for a while and then leaves. I know on MN I will be slated for not inviting her in, but I just refuse to start playing these batshit crazy secret games where she's invented a new set of rules, I have to guess what they are, and then comply.
My mum lives about a mile away and I have a brother about 6 miles away, but she never ever does any of the crazy stuff with him. It's a whole bag of special she saves up just for me.

NoDancingPolicy · 20/11/2018 15:28

PS - there's obviously over 50 years history with my DM that's made me refuse to play her games. The door things sounds petty but is a symptom of much bigger and broader issues.

eggncress · 20/11/2018 15:34

To ensure she has plenty of supplies maybe you could do a monthly restock of her freezer with stuff like bread, milk etc rather than expect her to do it if you think she won’t.
See it as investing your time once a month to make your life easier.
As Pp said too ... get her a couple of books of stamps.
Are then any groups or meet-ups for older people in your area... lunch clubs etc ? If she could sign up for something like that to help her meet others on a regular basis each week rather than relying on her friends phoning her, it may help her mood too and give her some structure to her life. In my experience, these clubs usually provide transport.

PerverseConverse · 20/11/2018 16:50

@NoDancingPolicy that sounds awful Thanks
My mum is lovely and we do lots together and always have, it's just lately she's trying my patience Sad

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Walkacrossthesand · 20/11/2018 17:16

It's interesting isn't it perverse, that your mum 'doesn't like to ask' (neighbours) so she asks you, who has to go miles out of your way to help!! Could a reply be 'you've got to ask somebody, so best ask the people nearest you'!

PerverseConverse · 20/11/2018 17:54

I have started saying she needs to ask other people. She'll complain they don't get the right milk but then she doesn't tell them which one to get! For whatever reason she can't be specific or just expects them to know. I don't get it.
I'll speak to her tomorrow and see how she is and take it from there.

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Ginger153 · 20/11/2018 18:15

It's so hard. My mum's the same. She has determined days and then days where it's all demands. I know it sounds daft, but watching Old People's Home for 4 Year Olds recently really helped me take a step back and look at it differently.

My mum's always been high maintenance but I hadn't quite thought about the wider impact of falls on her overall confidence. That TV programme really shone a light on it for me. Anxiety - which presents itself as grumbling to cover up how she's really feeling - is real as is pride and not wanting to admit she needs help to non family.

Doesn't make it easy. I hope you find some middle ground. Sending hugs x

HollowTalk · 20/11/2018 18:35

It sounds as though she could do with an internet food shop so that you know she's got everything she needs.

Is she living in the best place for her? Would she like to go into some sort of housing for elderly people so that she has company? It must be really boring for her being on her own so much.

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