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How do I deal with this Flying Monkey?

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GirlFliesHome · 15/11/2018 05:20

For anyone who does not know, this below is a flying monkey

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_monkeys_(psychology)

Basically, the ex-narcissist in my life was friend who I finally made the break from some 10 years ago. I won't go into huge details but it was an awful period of time.... I spent 2-3 years trying to 'manage' the friendship because her intensity was overwhelming. When we originally became friends I could not understand why such a lovely woman kept falling out with people and why people qute literally crossed the street in our small village to avoid her. I also could not understand why people would refuse to speak to me and would avoid me if I was at a function and she was in the room. Anyway, I came to learn as most people who have narcissists in their life learn. The one time I put my foot down about her controlling me the full savage horror was turned on me. I refused to engage and so the 'friendship' was over.

Anyway, over the years there have been a few things with her. I have become fairly isolated and not very social as it is a very small village and I get alot of abuse from her still. She has rather successfully played the victim and if we are invited to the same event will either look at me with theatrical tears in her eyes, or will come up and hiss at me to just fucking leave'. I always ignore her and I doubt I have spoken a complete sentence to her in 10 years. It has affected me though, and I actively avoid anything she may be at.

Earlier this year I was invited to join a book club. We talk about books then have dinner, and I have been LOVING it. I told my husband that I finally felt like I was making some new friends and good friends and it was something that was just for me. DH works away alot of the time then has an intense hobby at home, so I am juggling full time work plus 2 DCs largely on my own during the week, and sometimes for weeks at a time. This was something that was just mine.

Last month the bookclub invited another member. I had never met her but one of the ladies knew her and said she would be a great addition. We had our session then had dinner and about halfway through the new lady suddenly stopped an exclaimed to me; 'I know YOU. I am a good friend of xxxxx and I have heard ALL about you'. She wasin drink at this point and she then told the whole table about how apparently I am a drunk and an adulterer and I committed adultery with my husband and so forth. None of these things are true. The table was silent and then someone else commented; 'Oh you know xxxxx. Always did like a bit of character assassination'. Then the conversation moved on.

Obviously I was shocked and distressed. It has given me sleepless nights but then I thought, well, anyone who really knows me knows it is not true. But then at the weekend I was having coffee with another friend and the flying monkey turned up and said hello to her. The friend asked if we had met and she looked at me and actually [sneered] and said 'Yes. I have met her. I've been told all about her' and then stalked off.

Our next book club is next week and I have been really worried. On the one hand I am furious that the bloody narcissist is defaming me (and it might explain why I have been dropped like a stone by friends who then become more chummy with her). But on the other hand the bookclub was such fun for me, I was enjoying it so much and now it has been ruined. My only 'plan' is to be myself and to act normally. But I can do without being sneered at again, and I suspect that the flying monkey will not ever understand the real situation until SHE manages to fall out with the narcissist...which eventually WILL happen. Some of us who have survived her (two others are in this book club also, but they fell out with her more than 20 years ago) have commented about how this person's friendships have an average lifespan of about 2 years.

But I don't quite know how to deal with this in the meantime.... and of course knowing what has been said about me is terrible.

I'd be grateful for any advice from people who have ha experience.

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WildIrishRose1 · 15/11/2018 05:27

I don't understand why you didn't stick up for yourself at the previous book club meeting? There is no way I would have allowed someone to slag me off like that. I think I would now robustly tell this flying monkey that she is wrong and to mind her own business. Threaten defamation if necessary.

GirlFliesHome · 15/11/2018 05:28

So far my only idea is if this woman starts is to be very calm and ask her; 'Really? Do you often hear xxxxx say nasty things about all the people she used to be friends with? Why do you think that is?'

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GirlFliesHome · 15/11/2018 05:29

Because I was so shocked. It was so out of the blue and it was said with such a combination of venom and relish. And I am not great at sticking up for myself anyway. (Otherwise I would have seen the narcassist what she was like MUCH earlier).

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FruminousBandersnatch · 15/11/2018 05:38

I think you just need to style it out. Your new friends have the measure of Narcissist Friend so they will believe you. Just be incredibly polite and kind to her, take the high road. Don't lower yourself to making cracks about NF. If she levels any more accusations at you just look at her in a slightly puzzled, yet pitying way and say "wow really? That's a new one on me!"

moredoll · 15/11/2018 05:42

It's slander, which is a crime.
Don't get personal about her, it will make it too tit for tat. You could try explaining and asking the book club what they think you should do. In fact I think you should do this,otherwise the no smoke without fire notion begins to take root.
Maybe a lawyer's letter is the way to go.

FruminousBandersnatch · 15/11/2018 05:47

"It's slander, which is a crime.
Maybe a lawyer's letter is the way to go."

Sorry, that's ridiculous and you need to look up defamanation law. If you send a lawyer's letter you will not only be a laughing stock but you will add fuel to the fire.

soupmaker · 15/11/2018 05:47

Lawyers letter? Claim defamation? The OP couldn't even speak up and tell the woman that what she'd been told wasn't true.

This all sounds bloody awful OP. You need to stick up for yourself and not be afraid to challenge. If it's a small village then surely there are enough of you who've been at the sharp end of the Narc to band together and tell the FM to wise up.

If someone new arrived at my book group and dissed another member there would be a queue of us showing her the door.

moredoll · 15/11/2018 05:47

Also point out to her friend that to repeat a slander is to be guilty of slander.

GirlFliesHome · 15/11/2018 05:50

I was not going to retaliate or try and defend myself... because there is no point. The woman said it with such relish..... she enjoyed saying those things to me. Another one of the bookclubbers said to me privately ; 'Don't worry, everyone eventually gets the measure of xxxx'. I am just turning myself into knots thinking about how many other people have been told these lies. i KNEW this sort of stuff was going on- of course I did. In some ways I tried to manage the friendship for as long as I did because I knew that once I stepped out of place the venom would be turned on me.

I have made a point of never saying anything bad about this woman in the last ten years. I thought if she is slagging me off and if I take the moral high-ground people would be smart enough to realise it. Mostly I think yes... like I said, she falls out with everyone eventually. My only thought was to not really engage. I am SURE that if she started again as openly as the last meeting she'd be jumped on by the others.

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picklemepopcorn · 15/11/2018 05:55

I've been you. You need to laugh it off. Roll your eyes about how imaginative she is, say 'here we go again', 'I wish I was that interesting' etc. Other people will back you up and join in, because they know you are right.

It's hard at first, but once you embrace it you'll find it much easier.

Thing is, the trouble maker is a deeply sad, damaged person and her flying monkey not much better. There is no need to take what they say seriously.

GirlFliesHome · 15/11/2018 05:55

See, now I am freaking out because I am worried the Fail will get hold of this as they seem to feed off MN threads. It'd be outing to anyone who was in that room at that day.... and I'd guarantee they'd be Fail readers also. I keep telling myself that I need to get a grip... that woman - nor her lackey- deserve a place in my head.

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JellySlice · 15/11/2018 06:01

The table was silent and then someone else commented; 'Oh you know xxxxx. Always did like a bit of character assassination'. Then the conversation moved on.

This is encouraging. They clearly know the truth about the situation and have no intention of supporting it. Style her out. Be cool about it.

mumto2babyboys · 15/11/2018 06:03

You need to write out a few precise lines and examples of when this ex friend has lied before and next time mention you have spoken to a solicitor.

Then tell everyone in bookclub that it's unacceptable. This person is well known for lying and if she does mention you again can new book club member tell you ASAP so that you can proceed with legal action.

Be firm. Very firm

Calphurnia · 15/11/2018 06:12

Sounds like you've got backup at the Book Club, so deep breaths, fake it til you make it, and go along!

Try to avoid 'dutch courage' because of the "you're a drunk"

People who haven't already got the measure of her, will

Sorry you're in for the long haul, but it would appear you are. But! You're not alone, as demonstrated on a couple of occasions already

Have a few head tilty phrases in your back pocket to fire back, and enjoy the support of your Book Club friends

GirlFliesHome · 15/11/2018 06:13

That's what I have been holding onto, Jelly. People DO know. And they will make it known to her. I know that. So there is a fair bit of positive in it all.

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ginandbearit · 15/11/2018 06:14

If the FM comes to bookclub again take a deep breath and say "before we start can i just say how shocked and upset i was by your comments last time . There is no truth in anything you said and I and others here have experienced gossip mongering from your friend xx before and know to avoid her and anyone who associates with her .Please do not mention her or her comments here again . Thank you .."
Something along these lines just states facts and does not get into.a debate , draws a boundary and alerts FM to the fact that others know a different story and brings power back to you . Practice it before the meeting ...hope it helps .

category12 · 15/11/2018 06:19

I think the word "wow" will do.

Just "wow".

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 15/11/2018 06:26

Say nothing. Anything else is fuel to the fire.
At least 2 other book club members know about the narcissist.
The silence is the only way to go.

GirlFliesHome · 15/11/2018 06:32

I think that IS the way to go Curly. Of course I think of a hundred responses in my head, including saying to her; 'It's okay FM. You don't have to act as X's mouthpiece in this bookclub'. And leaving it at that. Or a comment; 'Actually you don't really know what the story is'.

The other 2 members know very well-....... I have heard their stories as well and it mirrors mine exactly..... intense smothering friendship, attempts to control your life, your movements, your other friendships, trumped up charges of 'betrayal' [one because she had the temerity to go grocery shopping without clearing as X first] followed by abusive e-mails, phone calls and letters. Their stories both pre-date mine by some 8-10 years so the woman has serious history.

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InProgress · 15/11/2018 06:50

You handle this flying monkey by going to book club, enjoying yourself and dismiss her every time she is snide.

The first time she starts say something like "You do realise that her friendships last two years then she character assassinated? Now stop being rude or leave."

The next time she tries say, "This again? Stop slandering me." Blunt and to the point.

Another method I used to use was to try to get them to question their perspective e.g. "What happens when you disagree with one of her suggestions?" or "Be very careful as you'll be next for the character assassination" or "so you've heard all this about me, what do you think she'll be saying about you? Because she will you do know that?"

Narcissists are awful people and their flying monkeys can't see the damage (yet).

InProgress · 15/11/2018 06:52

Realised one of my suggestions sounds like you threatening her. Blush You'll need to tweak that one!

GirlFliesHome · 15/11/2018 06:56

Thanks everyone. It helps to know people understand!

I am off for the school run now then work. Back online much later tonight as no phones allowed at work.

I appreciate your thoughts.

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Wallywobbles · 15/11/2018 07:05

Just "you'll find out soon enough that what goes around comes around".

Spudina · 15/11/2018 07:10

What a horrid situation. I'm rooting for you to stand up for yourself this time. But seriously, who comes in to a new group and acts this way when they have just been invited? When it comes to this stuff I think those that matter wont care. And those that care don't matter. Good luck OP. You got this.

Spudina · 15/11/2018 07:11

You've. Ffs