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How do I deal with this Flying Monkey?

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GirlFliesHome · 15/11/2018 05:20

For anyone who does not know, this below is a flying monkey

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_monkeys_(psychology)

Basically, the ex-narcissist in my life was friend who I finally made the break from some 10 years ago. I won't go into huge details but it was an awful period of time.... I spent 2-3 years trying to 'manage' the friendship because her intensity was overwhelming. When we originally became friends I could not understand why such a lovely woman kept falling out with people and why people qute literally crossed the street in our small village to avoid her. I also could not understand why people would refuse to speak to me and would avoid me if I was at a function and she was in the room. Anyway, I came to learn as most people who have narcissists in their life learn. The one time I put my foot down about her controlling me the full savage horror was turned on me. I refused to engage and so the 'friendship' was over.

Anyway, over the years there have been a few things with her. I have become fairly isolated and not very social as it is a very small village and I get alot of abuse from her still. She has rather successfully played the victim and if we are invited to the same event will either look at me with theatrical tears in her eyes, or will come up and hiss at me to just fucking leave'. I always ignore her and I doubt I have spoken a complete sentence to her in 10 years. It has affected me though, and I actively avoid anything she may be at.

Earlier this year I was invited to join a book club. We talk about books then have dinner, and I have been LOVING it. I told my husband that I finally felt like I was making some new friends and good friends and it was something that was just for me. DH works away alot of the time then has an intense hobby at home, so I am juggling full time work plus 2 DCs largely on my own during the week, and sometimes for weeks at a time. This was something that was just mine.

Last month the bookclub invited another member. I had never met her but one of the ladies knew her and said she would be a great addition. We had our session then had dinner and about halfway through the new lady suddenly stopped an exclaimed to me; 'I know YOU. I am a good friend of xxxxx and I have heard ALL about you'. She wasin drink at this point and she then told the whole table about how apparently I am a drunk and an adulterer and I committed adultery with my husband and so forth. None of these things are true. The table was silent and then someone else commented; 'Oh you know xxxxx. Always did like a bit of character assassination'. Then the conversation moved on.

Obviously I was shocked and distressed. It has given me sleepless nights but then I thought, well, anyone who really knows me knows it is not true. But then at the weekend I was having coffee with another friend and the flying monkey turned up and said hello to her. The friend asked if we had met and she looked at me and actually [sneered] and said 'Yes. I have met her. I've been told all about her' and then stalked off.

Our next book club is next week and I have been really worried. On the one hand I am furious that the bloody narcissist is defaming me (and it might explain why I have been dropped like a stone by friends who then become more chummy with her). But on the other hand the bookclub was such fun for me, I was enjoying it so much and now it has been ruined. My only 'plan' is to be myself and to act normally. But I can do without being sneered at again, and I suspect that the flying monkey will not ever understand the real situation until SHE manages to fall out with the narcissist...which eventually WILL happen. Some of us who have survived her (two others are in this book club also, but they fell out with her more than 20 years ago) have commented about how this person's friendships have an average lifespan of about 2 years.

But I don't quite know how to deal with this in the meantime.... and of course knowing what has been said about me is terrible.

I'd be grateful for any advice from people who have ha experience.

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SavoyCabbage · 15/11/2018 07:22

I know! Entering a group of people like that and going into full rant mode. It’s like something from Miss Marple. And surely the person who thought she’d be a good addition is rethinking that!

I agreed with the others on here that you book club friends sound like they are with you on this.

MarthasGinYard · 15/11/2018 07:22

'the new lady suddenly stopped an exclaimed to me; 'I know YOU. I am a good friend of xxxxx and I have heard ALL about you'. She wasin drink at this point and she then told the whole table about how apparently I am a drunk and an adulterer and I committed adultery with my husband and so forth.'

And she'd been invited by another group member? What did that friend say? If a friend I'd bought along verbally bashed another member I'd be having words.

What an odd little situation

Do you all live in Midsummer parva?

MissSusanScreams · 15/11/2018 07:22

The best revenge is to live well

This is my best advice and also my mantra for dealing with difficult people. Get on with your life and pretend they don’t exist. If she brings anything up again just do a forced tinkly laugh and say ‘Oh, funny. That’s what she says about all her friends. I wonder what she says about you.’

HereIgoagainxx · 15/11/2018 07:27

Wow, what a truly vile woman. If it was me, I'd name a very short announcement st the start of the next meeting saying that you and this woman were on e friends but after I'll treatment and defending yourself the friendship ended. I'd also say you are nonee if the things she mentioned and it was unfortunate and unnecessary to bring such lies to a group you are enjoying attending.

I know others will say ignore it, but I would have to show I'm not a walkover and stand up for myself.

It only has to be said once.

Sorry to hear this has dragged on so long for you. Say your piece and don't be afraid of her. X

Lovemademe · 15/11/2018 07:34

Someone at a book club told the whole group that you were an adulterer? I would say she is the one to worry about.

PanicwiththeBisto · 15/11/2018 07:50

Can your next suggestion about a book to read be about a narcissist.

Then tell the group you have had experience of being on the wrong side of one.

Holdingonbarely · 15/11/2018 08:00

I agree the next book should be a book on narcissists and flying monkeys or at least have a string central character that’s like the Narc in your life

Aussiebean · 15/11/2018 08:27

By the sounds of it, more senior members of the book club know her and know what she is like. The response was a good one and I bet she has told others about the narc.

Keep silent, if the other person comes again, be nothing but pleasant.

If she starts something then you could say something.

‘I know xxx has been telling you things about me. And like all second hand information coming from an unreliable source, isn’t true. But that is by the by. This book club has nothing to do with xxx and bringing her up here and what she supposedly said is not relevant and unfair on the other ladies here. Im not going to discuss her any further and I suggest you drop it. If you can’t then you are more then welcome to reconsider coming. Now shall we discuss (insert something about major character)’

Ariela · 15/11/2018 09:51

I would keep silent, but if she raises similar again, maybe say 'you do realise you might be her next victim, don't you?'

Wherearemymarbles · 15/11/2018 10:05

To be honest I am amazed the book club would want someone so spiteful to be a member and am staggered some didnt actually say anything.

purits · 15/11/2018 10:14

The FM was very rude. Ask the group to blackball her.

gamerchick · 15/11/2018 10:15

OP this is one person and it certainly sounds if everyone else has your back.

You go, you have fun and if see starts again tell her clearly that you're not interested in anything ex friend is saying. Come on lass, stand up for yourself, shut her down. If she wants to look like a dick then let her.

purits · 15/11/2018 10:52

Be proactive. Don't wait for next bookclub.

Speak to next host and tell ask her how she will deal with a reoccurance. Suggest that FM is asked to leave, there and then.

Speak to person who introduced FM. Ask her how she is coping with the embarrassment (loaded word) that her invitee was so rude. Emphasise that you do not hold it against inviter, only invitee. Suggest that inviter disinvites!

If FM does turn up, be ready to laugh with and at FM. Treat it as silly and inconsequential. Do not allow her to see that she might have hurt you. Practise your tinkly laugh.

GirlFliesHome · 16/11/2018 06:16

Thanks everyone. I am taking alot of comfort from the reminders that others in the bc (and IRL) know what the situation is.

I am considering everything everyone has written. Absorbing it.

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