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Sexless relationship

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thedaybeforetomorrow · 08/11/2018 13:51

This is probably a familiar story, but here goes. So I'm in my mid-forties I've been with my partner for 12 years now, and we have 2 kids (aged 5 and 7), but we're not married. I look after myself and am pretty fit, and take care of my appearance (just in case you were thinking I'd let it all go!). I'm also a supportive partner (I believe) - I do all the cooking, lots of housework, ironing, school runs and lots of activities and homework with the kids etc. and run a successfull business which supports our family in comfort (not being a martyr, just saying I pull my weight). I love my partner dearly and she's a fantastic person and a fab mother to our kids, BUT she has almost no interest in sex. She did when we first met, and we had a happy, if not wildly exciting sex life until kids arrived. However, these days we probably have sex no more than 3-4 times a year, and even then it's brief and unadventurous. I on the other hand have healthy high sex drive, and would like to have sex 2-3 times a week at least, and for it to be more spontaneous and passionate (although I realise spontaneity is hard with kids around). We've talked about it, and she acknowledges the issue, but doesn't seem to think it's a big deal and is not interested in us seeing a therapist, or trying to re-invigorate our sex life. It's just not a priority for her, and I think she's forgotten what it feels like to have sexual desires. For me though it really is a big problem. I've tried to to forget about it (although that's practically impossible), and the lack of intimacy is really getting to me. We've become housemates almost. I don't want to have an affair, and I especially don't want emotional entanglement with another person. The idea that I might break up our otherwise happy family is too scary for words - I adore my wife and kids. So what do I do? Even if she does agree to more regular sex (which is not likely) it would be perfunctory and I would feel like I'm forcing her, which would be awful and a complete turn-off. So this is where it gets controversial... I work away from home (overseas) periodically, and have considered paying for sex (but haven't done it). Would this be morally awful? There would be no emotional entanglement, and provided I was with an older lady who was working voluntarily in "the industry", would this be such a betrayal? What is my alternative - leave the person I love and break up the family, and ruin the best thing in my life? Suppress my urges and lead an unhappy and unfulfilled life? I'm at a loss to know what to do.

OP posts:
MMmomDD · 08/11/2018 16:27

OP - poly-amorous relationship is only one kind of open marriages....
Before you go to the nuclear option - you can try talking to her about other options...
Starting with the setting the stage - that no sex is difficult to deal with, and unfair to impose on another partner - so maybe there are solutions that open up the relationship while not threatening the feelings?
You could explore her bi side and meet other couples - for example....
Or she can allow you to see others - not in a poly-amorous way (which means there are feelings), but more as a FWB?
But - trying to reignite her interest in sexual interactions - in whichever way they may be - may be an approach...

Do you have any burlesque clubs? Or Kabaret? Or swingers-type clubs?

And - also - and let MN crucify me for this - i’ll say -
If you both love each other and relationship works in all other areas but sex, and there are children - and you try different ways to solve the sex issue - i’d not be judging you for having some FWB on the side.
Keeps the marriage going, parents together, etc.
Not a professional, but someone you are honest with about your situation.

hellsbellsmelons · 08/11/2018 16:27

God, that makes our relationship sound awful!
Yep - and what a horrible thing to model to your DC.
They will grow up thinking this is normal relationship behaviour.
Don't let them think that.
It's just not true.
Lots of relationships are loving and that's what you want for your DC.
So you have to show them that!
Please tackle this with your DW.
It's not fair on you or your DC.

Alfie190 · 08/11/2018 16:33

@M0vinf0rward

When someone tells you that they don't want sex, it means they don't want sex with you

No, it doesn't, it really doesn't.

Lizzie48 · 08/11/2018 16:36

It doesn't have to be obvious to the DC that your relationship doesn't involve sex, however. DH and I do kiss each other hello and goodbye, he buys me flowers, which the DDs help him to choose and we go out for meals sometimes. There's just no sexual intimacy.

Let's face it, a lot of kids can't imagine that their parents still have sex.

hellsbellsmelons · 08/11/2018 16:41

No - but hugging, kissing, having fun, laughing together, doing things together, etc...... are essential relationship skills to be passing onto to our DC.
Otherwise, what's the point?
Life is too short!!!

Trinity66 · 08/11/2018 16:45

but hugging, kissing, having fun, laughing together, doing things together, etc...... are essential relationship skills to be passing onto to our DC.

Totally agree

Lizzie48 · 08/11/2018 16:48

That is what I said, DH and I do have fun, though usually it's me who suggests it, which is strange considering I'm the one who has the issue with sexual intimacy. DH never suggests it.

thedaybeforetomorrow · 08/11/2018 16:53

MMmomDD - I think it's highly unlikley that my partner would be responsive to the creative ideas you've presented there - I would however! There is a possibility, a remote one admitedly, that I may be wrong about that. Worth asking - nothing to lose really..! I'll report back...!!

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forumdonkey · 08/11/2018 17:01

I agree with MMmomDD, would you and your DW consider an adult club, either together or alone? There would be less chance of an emotional involvement than finding a FWB as the magority are married and committed couple who just go for sex

Zoflorabore · 08/11/2018 17:11

Hi op, I am in pretty much the same situation. 40 earlier this year and all I've heard is "life begins" blah blah and feel like crying.
For me, I feel I look better at 40, am not short of attention but my dp just isn't interested. At all. Thinking about it he never really has been.

2 dc, 7 and 15 ( oldest not his ) and he absolutely lives for dd (7) and were just like housemates who happen to have a child.
It's a miserable existence.

I don't know what the answer is at all but just wanted you to know that you're sadly not alone Flowers

Redland12 · 08/11/2018 17:17

I’m in the same position (excuse the pun) with my husband, he’s just not interested! It’s driving me crazy. I feel so unloved and I think is a massive part of a relationship. I will not be living like this for ever, I have told him so, I will not live in a sexless relationship. I will move on. I know how you feel.

Trinity66 · 08/11/2018 17:18

I agree with MMmomDD, would you and your DW consider an adult club, either together or alone? There would be less chance of an emotional involvement than finding a FWB as the magority are married and committed couple who just go for sex

If she has no interest in sex though why on Earth would she go to a sex club?

forumdonkey · 08/11/2018 17:26

Trinity, I wrote either together or alone. If you have read OPs posts, he states that previously his DW had been sexual with a woman and he thought she had a crush on a female friend. In a club she would have have the opportunity to explore her bisexual side along side her DH

SinkGirl · 08/11/2018 17:26

I’m in the same position as your wife - in my case my sex drive was destroyed by medication, and then again after having children. I have no sexual feelings whatsoever, the idea of sex of any kind makes me feel anxious and ill.

You mentioned your wife has put on weight - any other signs of illness? Loss of sex drive and weight gain are possible symptoms of both hypothyroidism and low oestrogen levels.

SpeckledDot · 08/11/2018 17:58

What I've noticed on here every time one of these threads pop up is that the woman usually has 2 kids. Never just the one. Always two or more. Maybe the womans decline is sex drive is like natures birth control. Nothing can really be done about that. You have a difficult decision to make OP.

SSRainbow · 08/11/2018 18:07

Thank you for this post, so pleased to see that others are managing this situation. I am the wife / penny in this scenario, no interest in intimacy what so ever since kids and have no desire for it to resume. I have told DP he can have extra marital relationships if he needs to and if they become emotional he can leave as I’m sure he could be happier elsewhere, however I’m not going to make him leave. We are just friends, housemates, Co parenting... it suits me this way as I have no desire to meet anyone else or force away my kids dad. Sorry your going through this op, I actually feel for you in a way that I don’t have compassion for my own husband and I don’t know why.

SSRainbow · 08/11/2018 18:09

@SpeckledDot I think you might be on to something... I feel as though I have don’t what Darwin intended and there is no requirement for me to engage in intimacy further

Lizzie48 · 08/11/2018 18:11

What I've noticed on here every time one of these threads pop up is that the woman usually has 2 kids. Never just the one. Always two or more. Maybe the womans decline is sex drive is like natures birth control. Nothing can really be done about that. You have a difficult decision to make OP.

Exactly this. It's led to us putting off dealing with our sexual issues, because we're simply too knackered and stressed, and constantly have more immediate issues to think about.

But it feels like the 'elephant in the room'.

bubbles108 · 08/11/2018 18:12

Maybe worth pointing out though - those questions have never been asked of me. I'm not point scoring, just saying it's rather a one way street...

But she doesn't want sex

So she's not going to ask you what turns you on, etc, for 'fear' of instigating sex

Have you told her that you and she need to try to work this out or you might not be able to continue with the relationship as it currently stands?

Notfootball · 08/11/2018 18:16

I’m the same as OP but it’s my DH who is no longer interested in sex. We haven’t had any in over two years and although I still fancy other men, I no longer really fancy him. We co-parent brilliantly and get on well but no sex whatsoever. I’m not doing this forever.

thedaybeforetomorrow · 08/11/2018 18:17

I probably haven't put it as bluntly as that to be honest. Possibly because I might not like the answer...

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Sethis · 08/11/2018 18:18

It sounds like you've bent over backwards to be open and communicative about the entire sex topic - how important it is for you, making sure you're doing what she likes, being respectful and not resentful, and all the rest of it.

In return it sounds like you're getting zero effort from her. No effort to talk about it, no effort to fix it, no nothing.

Really the only step left is the conversation that goes something like "When we started this relationship, sex was something we had a lot of. Over time the amount of sex we have has dropped to the point where I'm questioning my own happiness being with you. I look at the idea of spending the rest of my life having sex 4 times a year and can't stand it. We either need to work out how we can have more sex together, closer to where we were when we first began this relationship, or if I'm going to stay in this relationship then I need permission from you to go off-reservation, because it isn't fair for the goalposts to have moved this far from our original starting point."

Or similar. She needs to understand that this is marriage-ending stuff rather than "It'd be nice if..." stuff.

Arnoldthecat · 08/11/2018 18:20

Well you sound like a decent chap. Sex is not obligatory even in marriage. Maybe she just doesnt care any more or doesnt love you in the same way? You've served your purpose in delivering children and now you pay the bills. How long can this go on? The trouble is of course a married man with children who leaves his wife will always be vilified and will always loose financially.

Rudgie47 · 08/11/2018 18:27

I think you need to have a very frank discussion with her and if she doesn't want to do anything about it then you need to think about splitting up. You can still remain good friends and be there for your kids.
Or you could stay together and you have a girlfriend and she can do what she wants or not. If she prefers women theres not much you can do and she might be after a loving relationship with a woman not just an evening in a swingers club.

ferrier · 08/11/2018 18:36

the woman usually has 2 kids. Never just the one. Always two or more. Maybe the womans decline is sex drive is like natures birth control.
This really isn't true. I have rather more than two children and know several similar. Nothing wrong with our sex drives 😉