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Feel like I’ve been hit with a sledgehammer

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DrunkenUnicorn · 02/11/2018 06:10

I really thought I was done with all this bullshit years ago. Sad Bucke up, it’s a long one.

I’ve just found out ‘d’h is having an affair. I was raging and now I just feel flat and completely drained by it- it’s only been four hours!

Like most long term couples we’ve had our ups and downs. We’ve had a few downs in recent months with lack of time for each other, we have 3 DC aged 15-2 together. He works very long hours in town so I pretty much do all household
/mental loaf and kids stuff in the week.

We were having a bad patch as I was getting so fed up that he never made time for us, particularly in the week. He would regularly go out for drinks in the week, do his sport at least once per week, he signed up to volunteer on a local committee etc. On average he would be out 3 times per week after work, could on ocassion be 5 nights, coming home anytime between 9-12. At the weekends I do a hobby for a 2 hours both weekend days with one of the DC. He would moan that we never spend time together, and said that this time my DC and I spent together meant that we never spent time as a couple. He didn’t seem to appreciate that if he came home from work straight away at 7pm then he would actually see the kids and me. I admit, I was pissed of and resentful that he was trying to take the only 4 hours I had to do something I enjoy away, rather than actually be part of our family in the week. He was grumpy and miserable on occasion but it wasn’t all bad by any means. I didn’t mind him going out a lot as his job is very stressful and intense, so long as when he was here he made an effort.

Anyway it came to a head at its very worst, in mid September and I said I was really fucked off that he was always miserable and sulking at home, the mornings in particular were awful. He would roll out of bed, way after I got up with kids, and then expect me to drive him to the station with barely a good morning and without doing any parenting at all. I put it quite simply that why would I want to spend time with you when you are so bloody miserable. You blame it on disliking your job and yet you have so many social engagements you clearly can’t be like this all the time or nobody would want to spend time with you!! Why are they with making an effort for but I’m not?

Anyway that was the lowest point. It lasted a few weeks but after our talk it genuinely did improve and things have been really good between us. Yes, he still goes out a lot, but when he’s here he’s not so god damn miserable. We’ve done a lot of stuff together as a family and as a couple and things are the best they’ve been in months. Without being TMI our sex life had really picked up, having dwindled from twice a month to several times a week and great sex at that.

I was delighted things were going so well and we were back on track after a minor bump in the road. I saw it as we’ve been together 16 years, of course there are peaks and troughs. We have had several.

However, there were a couple of niggly things I couldn’t shake. The first being that at the end of September DC1 and I went away for the night as he has qualified for a major competition in his sport. The plan had been my father would look after Dc3 and pick up dc2 from school and DH would come back ASAP from work and collect them around 7.

At 730 I get a worried call from df saying he couldn’t get hold of DH and should he feed kids at his house and bath them etc. I was 4 hours away and completely stuck. Tried calling DH repeatedly both at work and on mobile and couldn’t get through. Eventually got a text saying he had been delayed at work and was about to leave for train. Then radio silence. At gone 9 I get s slightly worried call from df. Still nothing from DH and should he put the kids to bed at his house? I’m mortified and stressed as I have no idea why DH hasn’t turned up and there’s nothing I can do as I’m 4 hours away (and if I did leave then dc1 would miss his competition the next morning). Eventually got hold of DH and he spun me some line about trains cancelled, trying another line and such bollocks. I looked up find my friends and he was not at the station but as busy area where there are bars etc. I asked and he said he’d gone for a drink whilst waiting for train to sort itself out. My dad ended up picking him up from the station at 1130pm. I didn’t persue it but I just didn’t believe this story and thought it likely that he had maybe snuck off for a drink with one of his male work mates he’s close too. Although I thought it was likely there was some truth in the story, ie trains delayed, busy so decided to wait till less busy for eg. I didn’t think he would be a complete shit by deliberately planning to not turn up.

Anyway things were improving a lot but spidey senses were tingling. I have no idea why. He was staying out a litte later once a week or more, midnight or so, coming back a bit drunk which didn’t usually happen so often.

Between us things were going strength to strength. He was more emotionally available and making an effort to do more.

About a week or two ago. I made some crack about having s dream he had fooled around with his secretary at work just to gauge his reaction. Nothing.

On Friday he said he was going to be late staying out with some work mates as it was a birthday. All fine, just don’t wake me. When he got in his did wake me. He got into bed and was fiddling with his phone. Didn’t think much of it. I sleepily got up to go for a wee and he acted as if he’d had an electric shock and hid his phone under his pillow which was odd.

I’ll be honest, I’m my sleepiness I sort of forgot until today. He had left his phone out and gone into the shower.

Well I’m sure you can guess. Very very explicit messages including videos she’d sent him. The text was explicit but did seem to imply they hadn’t yet slept together.

We had s family engagement this evening. I held it together.

I confronted him this evening.

He admitted it. Almost from the cheaters script. We were in a really bad place, no time together bollocks.

Said she’s a colleague. Claims it’s only been going on since September. Came about because we were in a bad place. He hadn’t slept with her, but they’d gone out drinking after work several times, inc the night he went AWOL. They’d kissed and clearly exchanged explicit msgs but no more. However they did discuss sleeping together as they have a works away weekend in two weeks.

I am gutted. I am beyond fucking furious that he would take the piss out of my father like he did. I could almost get my head around it if it had stopped as soon as things improved with us. I would think him weak and pathetic but I could kind of understand it.

I’ve gone from raging at him at 1-2am to completely flat as nothing from 4 till now. I can’t sleep. I’ve been sick.

How could he chuck away 16 years and three kids over this?

Apparently he’s sorry (that he was caught!) although he did say at one point he’s glad I now know and it’s stopped before it went any further. He loves me, he wants to be with me, he doesn’t know what on Earth possessed him etc etc etc.

I am so angry that he has put me in this position. Right now he disgusts me. How can I ever look at him the same, or feel intimate with him again (as I said, post baby number 3 and extended BF until recently our sex life has taken a battering and I’m about a stone heavier than I was and feel a bit grumpy). Whilst I didn’t watch her videos, it is very clear she’s young, toned, very slim etc etc She works with him so it’s not like he can go no contact.

I don’t think I can leave him even if it’s what I want to do (which I’m not sure about) without tearing the kids lives apart. I haven’t worked since dc2 was born as we put his career first. We live in an expensive south east area and our mortgage alone is 2k per month for a perfectly normal family house. We would have to move, i would have to move the kids schools, the older two are both v sporty, (different sports) but DC1 would definitely have to give his up as it’s expensive.

What the fuck do I do with this mess he’s made. Sad

OP posts:
TheDodgyDunnyOfDoom · 02/11/2018 06:14

LTB

GertrudeCB · 02/11/2018 06:38

You tell him to fuck off out of it for a while to give you time to think. Don't make any decisions yet, your in shock.
Try to eat, try to rest, cry if you need to. Flowers

Forgotmycoat · 02/11/2018 06:43

So sorry you're going through this op. Yes agree with pp that he needs to leave for abit. Otherwise he will start minimising his affairs. You need time. Please look after yourself
Xx

justilou1 · 02/11/2018 06:53

I’d be tempted to introduce his bits to the cheesegrater, but that’s what I have always told my husband I’d do. I can’t believe he treated your poor dad like that either. What a selfish, entitled, knob! I still don’t get how they don’t like to see themselves for what they are!

LizzieSiddal · 02/11/2018 06:54

Another one here saying tell him to leave the house for a bit. You need time to get your head straight. You can’t make decisions about anything at the moment.
I’m so sorry you’re going through this.Flowers.

DownTownAbbey · 02/11/2018 07:02

Of course it was your fault! The fact that he very carefully engineered your bad patch by staying away, drinking after work and being an arse when you were together is obviously entirely your doing. Nothing to do with him and his pathetic mid life crisis. No way Jose!

I understand what you are saying about how difficult it would be to leave him, but just think how difficult it will be to stay with someone who has treated you with such contempt. You gave up your career to facilitate his and this is how he repays you. TBH the fact that he showed your DF such disrespect should show you what a selfish twat he is. How hard would it have been to cooperate with someone doing you the favour of looking after your precious children?

See a solicitor. Get some facts under your belt. Make sure you have access to all bank accounts and copies of paperwork. Get proof of his income. Ask the solicitor whether you should remain a sahm or try and return to work. You're clearly the main career for your children. It's possible that you may get to stay in your home. Explore your options. Take back some power and control.

LizzieSiddal · 02/11/2018 07:07

DownTownAbbey. Is your first sentence a typo?

Weenurse · 02/11/2018 07:15

I agree with others, no regard for your father and co concept that his children were his responsibility.
Tell him to leave for a bit and try shared custody to give him an idea on how much you actually do.
Get your head straight then think about future.
On another note, would he be sacked for relationship with a junior if found out?

Bowchicawowow · 02/11/2018 07:16

You don’t have to make any permanent decisions yet. Ask him to leave until you are thinking straight. Go to couples’ counselling so that you can see if you can work this out or at least negotiate an amicable split. Focus on simply getting through each day. Take care of yourself.

Forgotmycoat · 02/11/2018 07:17

@lizzie I think it was meant to be ironic

DownTownAbbey · 02/11/2018 07:22

@lizzie most definitely ironic. Sorry if not clear.

Annandale · 02/11/2018 07:24

I agree with couples counselling. And his socialising stops, and he needs to take a break from the committee.

Now, right now, he proves you are his top priority and invests time in you both. And no guarantees from you. But personally i would say this was definitely worth counselling and is salvageable. If you want that.

Sohardtochooseausername · 02/11/2018 07:24

I’m so sorry. Finding out/confirming an affair is horrible. You will be in shock and disbelief for a while. Maybe even denial. But the others are right, you need time apart to get your head straight.

If he can go somewhere for a while that would be best.

Having been through this twice with the same man (and believing he was different from other cheaters the first time it happened) I can only say LTB. Sorry. Save your self esteem and put yourself and your children first. He doesn’t deserve you.

There’s lots of good advice on here (some rubbish advice too.) Lots of support. Lots of stories are similar. If you read them you will see patterns in what happens. It’s reassuring to know you’re not alone. Take care of yourself, take one minute at a time. Flowers

DrunkenUnicorn · 02/11/2018 07:25

Thank you all for your kind messages. lizzie I think downtown was being sarcastic Smile.

I’ve messaged a friend who lives about an hour away to ask if I can stay with them tomorrow. I just want to leave him to it for a bit. The children will be fine with just him for the night.

He can fuck right off if he thinks I’m driving him to the station in 30 min!

OP posts:
DrunkenUnicorn · 02/11/2018 07:29

I don’t know exactly how old she is, but she is a qualified professional so in terms of fitting all the training in, the very youngest she could be is 24/25. He’s 35. I don’t think she’s directly under him- yes terrible pun intended. Smile I think she’s just someone else in his department.

OP posts:
DownTownAbbey · 02/11/2018 07:31

A great start! Let him feel the consequences of his actions. Good luck Flowers

Yonijust · 02/11/2018 07:34

It was only a chat
It was only a kiss
Then it will be only a cuddle
Then only a lay down
Then only fell asleep
Then only

He will admit things in stages, if he is pushed.

Bubba1234 · 02/11/2018 07:37

He needs a buck.
The relationship can be salvaged but text him now and tell him not to come home tonight and don’t let him in.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/11/2018 07:40

Ask him to leave the family home, you need time and space away from him. Whilst he is gone properly gather your thoughts together and think about getting some legal advice re the property and finances. You do not have to act on this immediately but knowledge after all is power.

Once trust is gone it is nigh on impossible for it to return properly.
He has already torn your lives apart by his actions which were made and done of his own freewill. No-one forced him here to do what he did, this is all on him. He felt entitled to do this, he likely has an overinflated sense of importance and entitlement in any case which is perhaps also shown by his supposed largesse towards others like being on this committee. Its all image with him.

How serious is he anyway about wanting to work on his marriage?. He needs to make counselling appointments, both on his own and with you subsequently. Honesty is also key. You need to see proper and sustained commitment on this from him, not some measly piecemeal effort which will enable him to carry on in his bubble as he has previously.

On a much wider level, your childrens sporting prowess and maintaining a lifestyle are no reasons, let alone good reasons to stay with him and your children will adjust to their new normal. You are married to him and have rights in law here.

Do not do the pick me dance, that will only make you feel far worse.

Do have a read of "Not Just Friends" by Shirley Glass, consider counselling on your own and read the Chumplady website. Do not badmouth him openly to your kids. Be kind to yourself; lay off any alcohol and instead eat little and often.

CS12345 · 02/11/2018 07:41

It wouldn't be you tearing the kids lives apart - it'd be him and him alone.

Do what you need to to get through the next few hours, days, weeks but I don't think there's ever a way ultimately of making things work after this without you sacrificing your sanity, peace of mind, self esteem and self respect. Nothing is ever worth that. You will end up a shell of your former self.

Luckystar1 · 02/11/2018 07:46

OP I am very sorry you are going through this. It is almost a year since I discovered my husband’s affair (also with a work colleague). They slept together once as well as kissing and emotional connection.

It broke me, initially. I told him to leave. We separated for about 3 months. I was a mess, but also realised I am a very strong person, much stronger than him and certainly much stronger than I ever imagined I could be.

You are strong too. There is a strength within you that you don’t even know you possess.

Things will be horribly tough for you for a while. You will feel like a shadow of your previous self. You will realise that one of your worst nightmares has come to life, and you will realise that, you CAN cope. Minute by minute, day by day.

I would urge you to not make any decisions at the moment, bar asking him to leave (I personally think this is incredibly important as it shows the extreme seriousness of what has happened).

Please seek as much real life support as you can. Including counselling for yourself individually.

If your husband is also serious, he too should seek counselling. I refused couples counselling until (as I said to my husband) ‘you find out who you are and I’ll find out if that’s someone I want to be with’.

He needs to do all the leg work now. He needs to accept responsibility for what he has done. He needs to be open and honest and show real and genuine remorse for his actions. Without this, I don’t think you will ever be able to truly move on.

Be prepared for him to be very, very angry. I found this extremely confusing. Why the hell was he angry, I was the one who was betrayed!!! I listened to soooo much bull shit too about what I had done and what a bad place we were in. Fuck that. I refuted and rebutted each and every thing. Again and again and again. Finally, he got the point. That he was shit, not me. That he has responsibilities to us, not solely the other way round.

It has been a long road. A long, often very shitty, soul destroying road. But things have got a lot better.

But for now, please look after yourself. Don’t accept one bit of shit. You will find out who your friends are, and your eyes will be opened.

And remember, you are ‘allowed’ to leave your marriage at any time and for any reason. I cling to this thought. It allowed me to see that decisions don’t need to be immediate or even medium term. If you can’t or won’t get over this that is absolutely allowed. Whether that’s today, tomorrow or in 5 years.

I wish you the very, very best.

AdoreTheBeach · 02/11/2018 07:47

Oh OP. I’m so sorry this has happened to you. Such a selfish man! Of course needing time and discs to think is crucial and it would be interesting to see how DH reacts in that time frame. He could well see it as “being on a break” means he can do whatever he wants, particularly during the upcoming work weekend away. If truly contrite, his attendance there would surely NOT go ahead.

Fully support the suggestion to get all documentation together and see a solicitor to know where you reasonably stand. Whether you act on that or not, now or in the future, is another matter. You need to be forearmed.

Please find someone in RL you can confide in. This will help you decompress. Strongly advise counselling as no matter what the outcome is, this is a major life stress, knock to your sense of self. There will be all the stages of grief too. The relationship you thought you had with your husband is over. Either work can be done to forge a new one (if he is willing and truly sorry) or its over. Very difficult in either case.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/11/2018 07:48

Drunken

I can see why you are doing that and you are making some decisions here for your own self. However, I would not leave the home after this one time. He needs to give you some time and space in the marital home so he should leave subsequently.

He can get the bus to the station or walk.

This OW is irrelevant here in terms of her age etc. It could have been anyone really and she was likely told a whole pack of lies by your H too about your marriage. What happens going forward in your marriage that you have to consider here, do not get bogged down by her. He is the one you primarily need to get angry at.

As he is her H he has every right to enter the family home at any time.

harriethoyle · 02/11/2018 07:49

How horrible Flowers for you and glad you are getting some space. I'd be inclined to tell him he has to fuck off for a few nights too...

Treacletoots · 02/11/2018 07:49

Ouch. What a complete bell end.

What I will say is, it may feel like you're stuck, I've been there before. Big mortgage, can't buy him out etc but you can find a way if you really want to.

Please do start putting yourself first, get a job, expect him to take 50% of house and child responsibility and see how you get on. If he refuses then you know quite clearly he doesn't care about your needs and he's a selfish bastard who doesn't want to change.

He needs to leave, and given an explicit list of conditions for him to be allowed to return... If that's what you want..

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