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MIL not seeing kids

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JuJu2017 · 28/10/2018 09:21

So I posted to here a while ago about my MIL falling out with me because i put a picture of my ds on fb and didn’t tag her in it.
It has been six weeks now and she has made no effort to see my kids. My son still asks for her occasionally (she saw him once a fortnight or so before the argument) and it is breaking my heart that he’s missing herbut I can’t bring myself to say sorry.
She never really thought of my kids prior to the argument and only saw them when we would invite her for dinner but at least she did see them sometimes then; now she hasn’t asked about them for nigh on seven weeks.
What do I do? Should I take it on the chin for the sake of my children and my Dh who also hasn’t seen His mum? They have tried to talk about it but it always comes back mil saying it hurt her too much not being tagged and he thinks she’s being petty and using it as an excuse.
I just feel bad for my Dh and sons but this woman isn’t nice and I can’t being myself to give in! Should I get a grip?

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 28/10/2018 09:32

Not all relatives are nice and kind sadly nor emotionally healthy or safe to be at all around.

People like your MIL will fall out with nice people over anything they perceived to be as a slight against them. Its not your fault she is this disordered of thinking and you did not make her that way, her own family did that to her. Also your DH has known her a lot longer than you have and he says she is being petty and using this an excuse.

And no, do not take this on the chin for the sake of your children. She never thought of or saw all that much of them in the first place and you state yourself she is not nice. By not contacting you she has actually done you people a huge favour.

Children are often quite indiscriminate in their love which is why they need parents to guide them. Not every person is safe to have around and this is a good time to teach that important life lesson. The more matter-of-fact you are, the more matter-of-fact your children will be. When we act hysterical, they will usually reflect our hysteria. If you act anxious, they will act anxious. If you appear unsure, they will push. Model the reaction and attitude you want your children to adopt.

Young children are not known for their long attention spans. This works in your favour. With younger children you have the advantage of distraction. It is easy enough to get the child's mind off onto another track. Every parent has done the distraction routine at one time or another. "Mommy, I want to see NastyGram today!" "Honey, we aren't going to see NastyGram today because we get to go to the park and eat ice cream." (Make up fun time on the spot if necessary for this distraction.) "Yay!!" says the kid and off we go. Subject changed, kid distracted. In time, NastyGram will fade from memory. Any bonding that may have occurred will dissipate in the process of time.

Remember, you are the parent. You're older and therefore more experienced which is the point of being the parent. The child is dependent on your good sense and protective wisdom. You're smarter than your child; use that to your advantage (such as using the distraction method). You are the final authority. This is not a negotiable issue. Your child doesn't get to decide on this one because they lack the understanding, wisdom, experience and good sense that, hopefully, you have. So don't look like you're unsure or open to quibble. You'll undermine yourself if you look anything but firm and resolved on it. Use your advantages as parent to smooth the effects of the cut-off. Over time this will all quiet down. Kids tend to accept what is. It will happen more quickly if you follow the above advice.

Most of all, do not operate from a fearful mindset. Don't be afraid of your children's possible, or actual, reactions.

twoshedsjackson · 28/10/2018 09:33

She's your DH's Mum, and it sounds as if he's tried to heal the breach, but she's been looking for a grievance for a while, and now has her excuse. All you can do is support him; I think he's got her sussed, and she's cutting off her nose to spite her face. That's a shame for him, and for the children, but you can't force the situation. Perhaps you could suggest that he goes to see her on his own? (He might not want to, to be fair.)

Forgotmycoat · 28/10/2018 09:37

Good God... can't believe people behave like this over not being tagged or whatever!!
She's acting like a petulant child. Seriously don't give in and apologise. This is all on her. I find that giving into people's unreasonable demands just makes them MORE unreasonable and sets a precedent where YOU the reasonable one always ends up compromising to keep the peace.

She doesn't sound too bothered about not seeing your dh and and dc anyway. Get on with your life and just say to dh she's always welcome to see dc, but no reason to apologise to her.

Rogueone · 28/10/2018 09:40

It’s not about giving in. She has stopped contact due to a perceived slight. Her DS has spoken to her and he believes she is using this as an excuse. Wouldn’t even engage in wasting my energy worrying about it. It’s your DH mother, he has spoken to her and clearly isn’t interested in seeing her grandchild. What would you plan to do? Call her and apologise for the sake of it? You have said yourself she isn’t nice so leave it. My OH parents have gone NC with us on a few occasions due to perceived slights usually to do with me. They don’t seem to have any issue not seeing there grandchildren for up to a year at a time.. I have never apologised as I have nothing to apologise for! The last sorry affair was due to my OH dad not getting a birthday card. That was my fault as it’s a woman’s responsibility..... and interestingly I did remind my OH and I was going to send one but he said no he would do it.

mindutopia · 28/10/2018 10:49

She sounds like a melodramatic nut job. I barely even send my MIL any photos ever. This sounds like an excuse (a pathetic one at that) to stir the pot. She should be apologising to you. Until she comes crawling back and does, just ignore her. Your ds is not missing out on much by the sound of it. If she loved him so much that she couldn’t bare to miss seeing a photo of him, then she sure as hell should love him enough to be engaged in his life. Doesn’t sound like she was ever that interested, so I’d leave her to it.

We stopped contact with my MIL for about 18 months. It was due to something quite serious that put our dc at risk of abuse (they’re fine, but they very well could have come to harm and she wouldn’t have stopped it). We laid out very specific things she needed to do to make amends and keep them safe and she refused and said she just wouldn’t see them again and fucked off. We left her to it. After nearly two years, she came crawling back, realised how awful she had behaved and how much she missed out on and apologised. She still has minimal supervised visits, but it was worth sticking to our guns. So hold your ground.

Santaclarita · 28/10/2018 11:28

Don't apologise. She's being pathetic and your partner knows it. She'll give in in the end but don't expect an apology.

Aprilislonggone · 28/10/2018 11:35

Think of a place your ds likes to go? Then when he asks for mil go there instead. Seeing her is a habit not a nicety from how you describe her.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 28/10/2018 11:37

Follow your DHs lead. She is his mother. If he wants to ignore her and assign any 'blame' to her being daft, let him! He knows her far better than you do!

He has had an entire lifetime to learn how to deal with her. DO NOT OVERRIDE HIM in this.

spotsoddsocks · 28/10/2018 11:40

Shes acting like a child, don't take it on the chin, and let her carry on sulking.

Singlenotsingle · 28/10/2018 11:41

What would she do if you and the DC just pitched up on the doorstep? Say the DC have been asking for her. Social media is supposed to be social, not ANTI social!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 28/10/2018 12:05

Single That is probably the very worst thing OP could do! Apart from anything else it is NOT what her DH wants to do and she would be overriding his decision on how to deal with his mother!

Singlenotsingle · 28/10/2018 12:43

It's so petty though, Curious. What happens at Christmas? I can understand that sometimes it might be necessary to go NC if the parent is abusive or unpleasant, but this is just silly! It needs sorting now!

rjay123 · 28/10/2018 12:45

Why do you need to do the organising. Why can’t DH take them to see his DM without you?

Singlenotsingle · 28/10/2018 12:45

No cards, Christmas presents for the DC, or visits just because of this? It's the DC who will lose out on a close relative. Isn't this the time for OP to be the bigger person?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 28/10/2018 13:07

Single It isn't petty if you are the one with the noxious family member.

Her DH may have spent decades managing his expectations of his mother. We have no idea what she was like when he was growing up. But HE DOES and he seems to have decided that his mother is being ridiculous and can be left to it! That is his decision.

OP has no need to be 'the bigger person'. From experience I'd say/have said that OP needs to let her DH take the lead. And the DCs won't be in any way damaged by having an emotionally manipulative adult removed from their every day lives.

Heatherjayne1972 · 28/10/2018 13:14

All this drama over Facebook ??
Are there really people like that ? I thought It was some kind of joke post ( sorry op)
Tbh if someone has really taken umbridge over not being tagged in a photo that is ridiculous

Id ignore it all and wait for them to get in contact

peekyboo · 28/10/2018 13:19

The guilt trips make it sound like OP is the one who is in the blame and needs to fix it.

The MIL has decided to have a row with her close family. She'll either decide to forgive them at Christmas or use it as more fuel for her fire.

Why should the innocent party in all of this have to bend space and time to make it seem like the MIL is not an unkind, melodramatic woman who cares so little for her family?

Stillme1 · 28/10/2018 13:31

Why did you not tag her? Did you tag others?

peekyboo · 28/10/2018 14:08

If someone is on your friends list, is it really necessary to tag them in everything?

(Apparently yes if you're a thin-skinned individual who also needs all her friends to be alerted to her grandmother status).

Pebblesandfriends · 28/10/2018 14:16

You are doing your kids a favour by ignoring her. Imagine if you caved how they would feel the first time she blanked them for forgetting a thank you letter etc..... They'll forget about her soon enough. It's your DH I feel sorry for.

mama1dc · 28/10/2018 14:25

Sound like My MIL and trust me if you apologise it will only get worse !!!

GreenDinosaur · 28/10/2018 19:04

She doesn't sound much of a loss tbh, very petty and immature.
The kids will get over it if she doesn't visit but it's sad for your DH as it's his mother and he can't just cut her out over something like this.

I'm quite jealous, I wish my MIL would piss off and leave us alone!!

youbrokemytwatometer · 28/10/2018 22:36

I can't believe what I've just read.

She clearly doesn't give a shit about the kids that she is so desperate to be tagged with. She wants people to think she's a devoted and involved granny, when in actual fact, she can cut them out of her life just like that?

She's a disgrace.

JuJu2017 · 29/10/2018 12:16

To those asking why I didn't tag ... It was a pic of him in his school uniform. I tagged my dad who was with us at the time and said 'aw, tag me' and I tagged my cousin who commented and specifically said 'tag me in it so I can find it later; I want a pic of him in his uniform to print'. I didn't tag DH.
I tag MIL and FIL in things constantly and they never bother (she's even said on past occasions how annoying all the notifications are!) so tbh I didn't really think it was an issue. Also, I wasn't really with it; we'd gone out for a walk to take my mind off the fact that it was the date of the 12 week scan for the baby I miscarried in August.

I do feel so guilty for not tagging her and I did apologise and explained that I hadn't tagged everyone else and I'd been a bit distracted but I don't think it warrants this. I also feel a bit rankled because there was no 'oh sorry - I hope you're okay' it was just 'and that made you forget I was his fucking Nan did it?'

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JuJu2017 · 29/10/2018 12:22

Sorry, I should add that she's fallen out with DH, too.
This whole thing opened up a big bag of worms about how crap she is with the children generally and DH stood up with me. Because of that, she's ignoring his phone calls and ignoring his fb messages (DH didn't want to stoop to having a conversation with his mother over fb but he tried because it was the only path not explored. It didn't work). DH thinks she doesn't particularly love the kids and she's using this as an excuse not to see them ... she's saying she's never felt comfortable seeing them (even though i cook her a meal every time she comes over) and this business of me not tagging her is proof that i don't think of her. Again, I could give thousands of examples as to why this is the opposite - out of her two kids and two children in law, i'm the only one of us all who will buy her a gift, ask her if she's okay etc ... we asked her to watch the kids during my pregnancy with ds2 because i'd been sent to hospital with high blood pressure - her response was no, and juju shouldn't have anymore babies if she can't carry them well. She is horrible, but she can have her nice days, and she's their gran.
Idk. I'm so confused. Also, as someone said, what about Christmas?

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