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Help fixing my sensitivities/relationship problems

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falaff · 22/10/2018 13:29

Hi everyone. Sorry this is reeeally long but there's so much I need to get off my chest and I really need some advice.

I have read some really good advice on here and I'm trying to get over a recent breakup. I've posted a few times. I am trying to understand what role I played in the breakup and how to move forward.

In a nutshell, my partner was very insecure and became quite jealous of friendships and interests. I posted about this, which he found and read, and we tried to resolve it. It was a relatively short (10mo) but very intense relationship. We were best friends and he became my entire focus outside of work. I am feeling very hurt and upset as I've had to leave the city and give up my social life - I am now totally alone with no friends as I've had to move back with my parents.

He was often quite blunt and sometimes snarky with me and picked me up on little things, like how I behaved in shops, how I talked to people, how much attention I gave him, and how I responded to his behaviour when he upset me. We had big fights centered about me telling him that I was upset, and then him in return saying that I was too sensitive. If I upset him then he didn't want to hear my reasons and I found that really, really hard (it was always unintentional - I never once tried to upset or hurt him).

He did say that he would try harder and he did get better, but occasional things would slip through, for example, making snidy commets about my obsessive interest in music/bands when I was younger, and my current interest in a musician that he doens't like. This latter one really grated because it's a hangup from his jealous behaviour from earlier. He was also really focussed on how he came across to people, for example, if I got upset on our way to a social event, he would be more concerned with people seeing I had cried and thinking that he was a bad partner than how I was feeling, if you see what I mean. I feel like someone shouldn't have to try to be nice to someone, it should come naturally. It comes naturally to me and I tried very hard to be a good partner.

I just couldn't take the mental anxiety. I broke up with him because I tried to imagine how this behaviour would affect me years down the line and when we are no longer spending all of our time having fun but dealing with houses, kids, money, parents dying, etc.

I often felt like he thought I overreacted and needed a thicker skin, and because he had worked on his insecurities, that it was now my time to fix things. I tried to tell him that I couldn't help how I felt if he said something that upset me and that I couldn't just ignore it. I tried to keep it all in but it didn't work, I just got resentful and it led to us breaking up.

I don't think my partner did any of this consciously, he was just expressing his feelings. He was feeling very insecure, had been cheated on in the past. I could see him struggling a lot and working hard on his problems. And I feel like a hypocrite saying that I am allowed to express my feelings but he isn't.

Sorry I am waffling slightly but I would like to understand if I do need to work harder on my own feelings and how I can work on this. I have always been told that I am a very sensitive person, but I don't know how to change. I feel like I've thrown this relationship away because I can't take criticism. I wish I was more resilient and could let things wash over me and I wish I had a thicker skin. I've had counselling, done self help, tried to ignore it, but it never works - I just feel shit. I completely understand that this is very hard to live with and would like to change it.

I am really, really struggling not to go back to my partner because of all of the good times. I still love him, he was great for me in many ways. I feel very alone and want my life back. I don't know what to do.

Thanks for getting this far :/

OP posts:
PookieDo · 23/10/2018 00:00

It’s ok to have time to think. Time is on his side not yours fertility wise. To continue with him is a huge risk. One that you can’t reverse if nothing changes, If he won’t give you any space and is pushy then I think it’s obvious he doesn’t care about how you feel at all

crunchtime · 23/10/2018 08:28

DO NOT GET BACK INTO THIS! !!! RUN! run for the hills!
Up your standards, focus on your business, see friends, live a free life. Do not get back with this awful awful man.

falaff · 23/10/2018 11:25

Thank you. I am so up and down about it. It really hurts, I just want to love someone and them to love me back for who I am. I have a lot to give someone. It's so daunting having to start again. If I am being honest to think I will be going back out of fear of being alone and losing the fun times and not because I see a healthy lasting relationship. I've got to the point where I've lost faith in it.

It's not fair that I am being pressured to make a decision so I will collect my stuff and say that for now we are not getting back together. If he makes some serious effort to address his issues then we can talk in the future. He read all of these lovely and heartbreaking things to me but I can't just take his word for it anymore. It feels like a mask and he has to address who he really is. Again I don't think you should have to TRY to be nice to your partner, it should come naturally.

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Thingsdogetbetter · 23/10/2018 11:42

Please please understand that this epiphany with promises to change is not real! It's a well used tactic by abusers to suck you back in. He knows you're feeling torn. He knows you're not sure he's a cunt. He knows you want him to change so you can run back to him. He's using that.

He's not a fucking idiot. Do you really think that for 10 months he didn't realise that his behaviour was wrong? . That you telling him again and again didn't open his eyes? And now suddenly he's clicked? It's a miracle.... not!

The fact he is pushing you to come back BEFORE he makes the changes or gets help because HE would be in limbo shows that it is still all about him. He still doesn't think his behaviour is wrong, but he realises you think it is, so is promising to change. He doesn't want to change to become a better person. He's promising so he can suck you back in.

Do not go collect your stuff alone! Better still met up in neutral territory, with a friend. He doesn't give a crap if you get your stuff back, he just thinks he can manipulate you when your feeling lonely and vulnerable.

Thingsdogetbetter · 23/10/2018 11:54

Ps be prepared for:

crying, pleading etc

I've never felt like this about anyone before

Only you can help me

If you loved me like you say you do you won't leave me

Everyone leaves me

You never really loved me

I can't live without you ( including veiled self harming and suicide threats)

I had a bad childhood, I was never shown love

I never know what love was until I meet you

My friends say you're a fool to leave me

My friends/family say you're good for me/the best thing that's ever happen to me/the only one who can save me

And a dozen other tactics to weaken you. Perhaps some other posters can add to the list?

You need to realise that your love for him, and his abuse of that aren't a special romantic story. It's all too bloody common and you're in danger of going down a painful route too many women have gone before. And many, many women have gotten out at this stage and gone on to have fulfilled lives with loving partners who respect and adore them. Fear of being alone and lonely is not a reason to be in a shite relationship!

PookieDo · 23/10/2018 11:58

It feels real to him when he says it - but experience has already shown you he is unreliable and unrealistic with his words. It feels really disconcerting to walk away from something that essentially sounds exactly what you are looking for but I can see OP you are an intelligent woman and deep down you know on the basis of probability, this is hopeless. What you need to do now is fight that internal urge to go back to him to feel better in yourself. Because it’s tricking you - it will only feel better for a very short period of time before you find yourself back in the exact same spot as now

falaff · 23/10/2018 12:08

Pookie you talk a lot of sense. You are all right. Thanks for giving me the strength I need to do what's best for me. Who knows, he might massively change and things might work out in the future. But right now it's not healthy for me and I need to walk away. I do have a habit of getting obsessed with things and all or nothing thinking and I need to learn to look past the present and deeper into the future. I want to be happy in 10 years and if that means being miserable for a few months whilst I rebuild my life then so be it.

Time to get a dog!

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TheWiseWomansFear · 23/10/2018 13:45

I don't think it's unusual to feel hurt when criticised.

People would say I'm the opposite of sensitive but criticism usually stings or hurts my feelings.

Is it in the way you express that hurt? Are you very weepy?

Either way it doesn't make you at fault or wrong for being hurt, he shouldn't criticise so much, but weepiness can seem over dramatic to people who only cry when their dog dies.

TheWiseWomansFear · 23/10/2018 13:50

Your post about him saying it was a 'sorry but' sounds awful.

People should be allowed to explain themselves, it's fundamental in a successful relationship that people can communicate effectively and he wasn't letting you do that.

You did right to drive off he sounds a sod

falaff · 23/10/2018 14:42

I can be very emotional yes. I tear up very easily. I've been working on this though and the last few times we have argued I have really kept calm for a long time, for example, in the car. The problem is that after about a long time of back and forth and feeling like I'm just not being listened to or being berrated I do tend to give up and get emotionally exhausted, which results in me cracking and getting upset, and then I get picked up on being hysterical.

He's just written to me all of the things he's going to do to make things better. It sounds great. I just don't have faith in it in the long term. It's very sad because I would love to be together for the postive reasons that I wrote about earlier.

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BundyLancroft · 23/10/2018 16:03

OP, ignore what he says. Words are cheap. He has shown you who he is. Believe him.

Stay strong. Focus on you and your needs. Without him.

HE WILL NEVER CHANGE. Trust me. It won't happen.

hopingforhappiness · 23/10/2018 16:39

Your story is exactly the same as mine only I didn't leave. I didn't have Mumsnet to talk sense into me.
My husband didn't change.
He has been a dreadful father.
He gets crueller and more critical as the years go by. No matter how hard I've worked to be perfect.
And now he's turned his attention to our teen DC as they are no longer easy to control.
Life is miserable for all of us.
Being alone is way less scary than the prospect of spending the rest of your life trying to please someone who will NEVER think you are good enough.
Stay away.

falaff · 23/10/2018 16:57

Thanks for sharing @hopingforhappiness. That's what I'm dreading.

Does anyone have any happy stories at all from their partner getting better through counselling? Probably just clinging onto hope.

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hopingforhappiness · 23/10/2018 17:18

You're assuming he wants to change.
He's shown you no concrete proof that he intends to. No proper counselling booked. No real apologies for how HE's behaved.
They don't change because they don't think there's anything wrong with how they are.
For what it's worth my husband had a few telephone counselling calls, the result of that was: NOTHING.

JoyfulMystery · 23/10/2018 17:30

Does anyone have any happy stories at all from their partner getting better through counselling? Probably just clinging onto hope.

Counselling isn't a magic bullet, OP. Finding a good one, with whom you can work well, and the honesty and energy to probe your own least pleasant side and do something about them -- well, shall we say it's uncommon, to say the least?

And it doesn't make the slightest difference whether he was consciously or unconsciously unpleasant to you -- his insecurities aren't an adequate excuse for criticism.

You would be mad to go back to him, or even to hold out the hope that you might in a few months. The dynamic between you is eating you alive you're still terrified he might read this, despite the fact that you're no longer together and it only takes the slightest, easiest gesture from him, and you're jumping like Pavlov's dogs. He's trained you very well.

Stop blaming yourself and your 'sensitivity', and stop regarding your personality as something full of flaws that need to be worked on an ironed out for the benefit of someone else -- and as others have said, work on your boundaries. Even if your next boyfriend is not a wanker, don't make him your entire focus.

PookieDo · 23/10/2018 18:29

You haven’t even been through a stressful life event together yet. Even if he has counselling IMO he will just revert back to how he was whenever something stressful takes place and then latch onto that as a reason not to change

category12 · 23/10/2018 18:44

Again I don't think you should have to TRY to be nice to your partner, it should come naturally.

This ^ OP, this.

Love, he wants to squash you down when you're happy or enthusiastic. That's not a man who loves you.

falaff · 23/10/2018 19:38

Yeah. He says he loves everything about me, he loves my sensitivity, my enthusiasm, my eccentricity. But I don't think he really does, he only loves it if it's in agreement to his opinions/behaviour/thoughts. I don't get it.

I'm going to try and be strong even though it is really difficult. :(

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category12 · 23/10/2018 19:50

There's what he says, and there's what he does/shows you. You have to believe the latter. People can say all sorts of things and appear convincing/may even believe it themselves - but if actions/behaviour don't match up..

category12 · 23/10/2018 19:50

Your best bet for remaining strong is to stop contact.

Gemini69 · 23/10/2018 20:26

He sounds like a right desperate Pratt.... clinging on to something he abused like a rat ....

Ditch this control freaks Ass.. his words are empty and hollow lies to gain the upper hand again..... he will literally say anything to get you back under his spell ..... please.. don't allow this to happen to you again.. Flowers

falaff · 23/10/2018 20:40

I know I need to leave and I will do that. Thanks for everyone's encouragement. It is so easy to look back on the lovely times and forget how I felt the other day. This is the second time and I think I am done now.

I don't think he is a horrible person, or doing anything malicious on purpose, but he has some serious problems that I don't think he has been aware of. But what someone said is right - whether someone is doing something consciously or subconsciously doesn't make it right if it is hurting someone, particularly if that person then tells them and they do it anyway.

I do want to defend him to some degree because I have been through difficulties in the past and perhaps been selfish as a result. And I think he is mostly doing that, being selfish and trying to protect himself from his own feelings. He has said that he will get counselling regardless so hopefully he will go ahead with that.

It will be very hard having no contact as he was my best friend but that is probably what I need to do.

OP posts:
category12 · 23/10/2018 20:42

You going to do the Freedom Programme?

OliviaBenson · 23/10/2018 20:52

Be careful op, you are wavering.

You need to do the freedom programme. You also need to block him. He's really done a number on you.

crunchtime · 23/10/2018 21:06

how was he your best friend? Is a best friend really someone who makes you feel shit?

I am mega sensitive and cry at the drop of a hat. Not once in our 21 year marriage has my dh ever made out that this is a fault that needs changing.

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