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Help fixing my sensitivities/relationship problems

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falaff · 22/10/2018 13:29

Hi everyone. Sorry this is reeeally long but there's so much I need to get off my chest and I really need some advice.

I have read some really good advice on here and I'm trying to get over a recent breakup. I've posted a few times. I am trying to understand what role I played in the breakup and how to move forward.

In a nutshell, my partner was very insecure and became quite jealous of friendships and interests. I posted about this, which he found and read, and we tried to resolve it. It was a relatively short (10mo) but very intense relationship. We were best friends and he became my entire focus outside of work. I am feeling very hurt and upset as I've had to leave the city and give up my social life - I am now totally alone with no friends as I've had to move back with my parents.

He was often quite blunt and sometimes snarky with me and picked me up on little things, like how I behaved in shops, how I talked to people, how much attention I gave him, and how I responded to his behaviour when he upset me. We had big fights centered about me telling him that I was upset, and then him in return saying that I was too sensitive. If I upset him then he didn't want to hear my reasons and I found that really, really hard (it was always unintentional - I never once tried to upset or hurt him).

He did say that he would try harder and he did get better, but occasional things would slip through, for example, making snidy commets about my obsessive interest in music/bands when I was younger, and my current interest in a musician that he doens't like. This latter one really grated because it's a hangup from his jealous behaviour from earlier. He was also really focussed on how he came across to people, for example, if I got upset on our way to a social event, he would be more concerned with people seeing I had cried and thinking that he was a bad partner than how I was feeling, if you see what I mean. I feel like someone shouldn't have to try to be nice to someone, it should come naturally. It comes naturally to me and I tried very hard to be a good partner.

I just couldn't take the mental anxiety. I broke up with him because I tried to imagine how this behaviour would affect me years down the line and when we are no longer spending all of our time having fun but dealing with houses, kids, money, parents dying, etc.

I often felt like he thought I overreacted and needed a thicker skin, and because he had worked on his insecurities, that it was now my time to fix things. I tried to tell him that I couldn't help how I felt if he said something that upset me and that I couldn't just ignore it. I tried to keep it all in but it didn't work, I just got resentful and it led to us breaking up.

I don't think my partner did any of this consciously, he was just expressing his feelings. He was feeling very insecure, had been cheated on in the past. I could see him struggling a lot and working hard on his problems. And I feel like a hypocrite saying that I am allowed to express my feelings but he isn't.

Sorry I am waffling slightly but I would like to understand if I do need to work harder on my own feelings and how I can work on this. I have always been told that I am a very sensitive person, but I don't know how to change. I feel like I've thrown this relationship away because I can't take criticism. I wish I was more resilient and could let things wash over me and I wish I had a thicker skin. I've had counselling, done self help, tried to ignore it, but it never works - I just feel shit. I completely understand that this is very hard to live with and would like to change it.

I am really, really struggling not to go back to my partner because of all of the good times. I still love him, he was great for me in many ways. I feel very alone and want my life back. I don't know what to do.

Thanks for getting this far :/

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PookieDo · 22/10/2018 15:37

I cannot recall the last time someone criticised me IRL, I don’t think this is because I am a hard nut but because I choose to surround myself with kind people. So perhaps family and friends may question me on something, ask me about it for clarification perhaps but normal non controlling people don’t walk around critiquing their partner or friends trying to correct their flaws. Most normal people raise small grievances in a kind way. People who walk around with a million grievances and are constantly hurt and offended by you usually are the ones with the issue.

He didn’t have good qualities as from day 1 (its only 10 months in) you had this clash and now you finally can’t take it anymore.

As for whether it was intentional. Please... are you certain this man hasn’t gone his whole life like this? I mean he’s still single and gather he’s not 22 anymore? He doesn’t want to address his flaws because it’s easier to manipulate a woman into tolerating them

falaff · 22/10/2018 15:44

@ravenmum it was mostly like little snidey comments when I did something he didn't like or picked him up on some behaviour. Like if I went into a shop and exclaimed at how cheap something was he would pull me up on it and say that I was being rude to the cashier by insinuating that they had marked something the wrong price. I would get upset that he was putting me down for being enthusiastic/happy and he would say that I was too sensitive and I should accept some criticism. Another example is sometimes I can get quite absorbed with things and he would talk to me when I was busy, and get really grumpy if he thought I wasn't listening to him, and he would be nasty. I really hated it when he was nasty/moody and say things like "you don't care about things I'm interested in" which is absoluely untrue. I've literally climbed mountains in galeforce winds for him. If I said anything he would say I was overly sensitive and "I upset him first". I appreciate that maybe I could have stopped what I was doing and paid attention to him but he could have said it in a different way.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 22/10/2018 15:53

"Like if I went into a shop and exclaimed at how cheap something was he would pull me up on it and say that I was being rude to the cashier by insinuating that they had marked something the wrong price"

Do you not see how ridiculous he is being here and besides which you did nothing of the sort. You were just pointing something out and he clearly did not like the fact you had an opinion of your own. Apart from anything else prices are not determined by the cashier and nor were you being rude. Such thoughts came from his disordered of thinking head.

He wanted your undivided attention the whole time, he could not stand you actually doing anything or interacting with someone other than him. Whatever you did for him was not enough and he was more than adept at moving the goalposts too.

I am SO glad he is now your ex; he is truly frightening to behold here and he is truly a dangerous individual. I pity any woman who comes across his path now because he will treat them as you have been too.

falaff · 22/10/2018 16:11

He definitely did/does want my undivided attention. We broke up because he came over (we live in different counties) and I had to do some things whilst he was here. I am completely overwhelmed with work right now (self employed) and have been going over to his every weekend when I can. He was still not happy with how often we saw each other; I explained that I had to be at home to do my work, and he could come over, but he always had other priorities. I have literally been doing nothing else apart from seeing him and working. So I had to do a couple of things; fix something and I wanted to research something on my phone whilst we were watching telly. He went very quiet and later pulled me up on it when we were in the car. I apprecaite that he had come over and I agree that it's rude to ignore people, but I didn't have any other time to do these things and I apologised, asked if he minded and tried to be really quick. When he pulled me up on it and said I was rude for ignoring him I apologised but he didn't accept it as genuine and wouldn't let me explain. He said it was a "sorry but"... however, I think I should be allowed to explain my behaviour. I ended up upset and he got out of the car at the lights because he didn't want people at the house to see me upset because they would think it was his fault. When he refused to get back in the car despite me begging several times (it was dark and raining) I drove off and left him to walk home. I felt quite liberated. He got upset when I went back 1/2 hour later to get him because I didn't go back earlier, surprised that I drove off when he basically asked me to. It was a really upsetting experience and that's when I broke up with him - I had a panic attack at home and saw the worry on my parents' faces and realised I couldn't do it anymore.

I am really worried about putting specifics incase he reads it on here (he saw my first post about his controlling behaviour and was very upset that I shared things with people) but I am starting to not care - I think I need to go through a healing process of being angry instead of upset and maybe this is helping.

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ravenmum · 22/10/2018 16:13

So he was being snidey, grumpy, nasty and moody, and put you down for being too happy, and you honestly still think the problem is that you were too sensitive? I guess one day you'll come to your senses and the scales will fall from your eyes ... until then, how about steering well clear of relationships and working on things that make you feel good about yourself?

ravenmum · 22/10/2018 16:33

You were just sitting there watching TV, what was there to ignore? It's not like you were having a scintillating conversation when you got your phone out.

Just for comparison, this is how it looks with me and my bf when it comes to having time for one another. When I want to visit him, I ask if he has time for me to visit, and vice versa. If either has a lot to do, we meet later or another day. If he regularly had no time for me, I'd point this out and ask, pleasantly, if everything was OK. When I'm visiting him, if he gets a phone call or has to look after his daughter, etc., he typically gives me a drink/food and I look at my emails or something while he does whatever it is. Neither of us has to rush or feel guilty. We don't accuse each other of ignoring one another, there's no refusing to get into cars or similar childish tantrums.

You too could have an adult relationship of this kind.

PookieDo · 22/10/2018 16:50

Yes get angry!! Very angry! It’s ok to be. He is unreasonable you are not imagining it. You didn’t need to change who you were with him.

Gemini69 · 22/10/2018 17:05

omg OP.. you don't realise what an incredibly lucky escape you have had... he was belittling you .. undermining you.. making you feel stupid .. making you question your sanity... your ability to make decisions... he was trying to make you completely dependent on him and him alone i isolating you from friends and family.. and he almost succeeded..... this man is dangerous .. he does not love you he wants to control you.. I'm actually surprised he isn't controlling your phone and your bank accounts already... lucky escape OP very lucky escape... Flowers

falaff · 22/10/2018 17:19

The thing is he got loads better but I think it was just a temporary thing. And it was always all about his feelings. I just feel so sad and angry too, I tried my absolute best and would have done anything for him but it wasn't good enough. I'm angry at myself too. I did stick up for myself in the end but it never made anything any better and I still felt shit.

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PookieDo · 22/10/2018 17:37

Be angry now, take the advice from the others about going forward with dating. Next time a guy like that won’t get past a 3rd date.

Thingsdogetbetter · 22/10/2018 18:31

He wasn't getting better. He realised he'd pushed you too far so pulled back on the abuse. Once you were suckered back in and became comfortable again, he would have cranked it up again.

Nothing you could have done would have been 'good enough' because he didn't want it to be! You would have changed a part of yourself to be 'perfect' for him and he would have changed the goal posts and started criticising something else about you.

You need to stop thinking this has something to do with you and love. It doesn't. It could have been any women who was vulnerable to his lies. He'd have acted exactly the same. I guarantee he's done it before and will do it again. The only thing you did 'wrong' was wanting to be love and trusting that someone who says they love you wants the best for you; as you would for them.

Stop judging him by your standards. He doesn't think like you do, he doesn't love like you, he doesn't see the world and people like you do. He sees what he can use and control. What he can get out of a relationship, not what he can put in. It was always about him and his feelings, yours are not something he perceives, let alone cared about.

You sound like you have a lot of love to give and have an empathic and caring nature. Hold onto that. Find someone worthy of that. This is a blip in your life, and soon it will be a minor, but learnt from, memory in your life.

Haffiana · 22/10/2018 18:51

OP, he is a damaged man. People like that are simply toxic. You are so lucky that he didn't break you.

However, as others have suggested, you NEED to do the Freedom Programme. It is really worrying that you ever thought that any of this was remotely OK, let alone that somehow it was your fault or your problem to fix.

Do you really understand about boundaries? Your boundaries are yours. What you feel and what you think and what you wish to give freely of yourself in a relationship.. What you have consistently described is that you have allowed yourself to somehow be defending his boundaries for him, making his sense of himself the priority, putting your wishes in his service, and getting upset and stressed when you cannot sort his boundaries out for him to his neurotic satisfaction. Does that make sense? You have been completely consumed. No healthy relationship can ever come of that sort of dynamic.

Ellisandra · 22/10/2018 18:59

Want to know how many times my husband has criticised me in 3 years?
None.

Want to know how often my ex husband criticised me in 10 years?
None.

See - even a man worth divorcing doesn’t go around criticising all the time. It really really really isn’t normal to do so.

falaff · 22/10/2018 21:38

Thanks everyone. I understand what people are saying about boundaries. This relationship has actually taught me a lot about what I am willing to give and what I'm not.

We've just had a really long talk and he's admitted that he's been emotionally abusing me and has taken responsibility for his actions. He's agreed to getting counselling regardless of whether we stay together or not. Before we talked I was not going to get back together. Part of me now wants to give him another chance on the condition that we have more independent lives and he puts serious work on his issues.

We did have a lot going for us and I am very sad to lose it. I don't know what to do really. Part of me wants to just move on. Part of me feels that he deserves the chance to make amends. Urgh.

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falaff · 22/10/2018 22:06

Just want to say that I'm re-reading everyone's messages and they're really helping me. Thanks again for taking the time to help. My head is an absolute mess and I need to calmly think about things. I'm still angry and upset. I need to figure out if I really think he will change, or if I am just trying to claw back that part of my life that I have lost. It's really hard and I don't know whether I'm coming or going really.

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AsleepAllDay · 22/10/2018 22:15

You're well rid!

PookieDo · 22/10/2018 22:47

He doesn’t deserve anything from you! How many chances will That be now you have given him?
People don’t owe each other their own happiness. It is even worse that he admits emotional abuse and thinks it’s even remotely acceptable to ask for another chance - someone who truely realised this would go away from all relationships and try to work on themselves to make sure they didn’t do it to another person. He’s STILL manipulating you

He doesn’t get to take away 10 months of your life and then you give him another chance at another 10 months of crying, anxiety and rows. OP you could spend those 10 months actually enjoying life

OP I know you are reading but I think you are still too invested in this guy to make a rational decision. You need serious work on your self esteem and boundaries. You need some headspace completely away from him to gather your thoughts. What amazing qualities exactly does this unkind bully have?

falaff · 22/10/2018 22:56

You're right, I am invested. We have been through some great times and it's so hard not to think of those. And I love a lot of things about him too. He's ambitious, great sense of humour, charming, bloody handsome, and we have a LOT of fun together. We've explored new things together - he's opened my eyes to lots of things and I've done the same for him. When we are good together we are great, sex is amazing and he has helped me enjoy this again (I came out of a relationship where this was abusive). He can be extremely kind and generous and thoughtful and very encouraging and suportive of my career. He is also living in my 'new' city as we met through work and now I have had to move back to my hometown where I have zero friends. So I feel like I am throwing not just my relationship away but my social life too. It's very scary. I'm on the wrong side of 30 and really worried about the future.

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Butterymuffin · 22/10/2018 23:00

OP, tell yourself you're not going to resume the relationship for the next 3 months at least. If you don't feel ready to write it off yet, then at least put it on hold for now and give yourself time to recover from all the stress and to see how much effort he is putting in to change himself.

falaff · 22/10/2018 23:03

@Butterymuffin I did suggest that to him but he says that will be too hard and he will be in limbo.

I'm feeling very vulnerable and alone. It would be so easy just to go back and hope for the best.

If people really do invest in trying to be better do they deserve another chance? Can it work?

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Butterymuffin · 22/10/2018 23:15

So it's 'too hard' for him to respect your need for space and thinking time. I see. Tell him it's that or nothing. It really is all about him, isn't it?

PookieDo · 22/10/2018 23:45

If people really do invest in trying to be better do they deserve another chance? Can it work?

This is not the first time he’s had this opportunity. It is at least the 2nd time if not 3rd time between you that you have raised this with him and how unhappy it has made you. During that time he buried it a bit deeper and tried to make some effort but this is who he fundamentally is. You cannot change a person through loving them

there is only so much you can ever change about someone’s deeply held beliefs, values and thought processes. This man believes it’s ok to express his feelings of dissatisfaction and distaste to you repeatedly even if it’s hurtful, petty and irrelevant in the grand scheme of life. He spends too much time caring about what other people may think of him, even to the point where he wants to hide your hurt to save his own face to others. He puts his own feelings before yours and thinks that if only you were less sensitive then he could freely critique you and mould you into his perfect woman. He’s telling you that you have all the ingredients of a perfect partner, but with his criticism he can iron out all your flaws and you just have to disregard your own thoughts and feelings to do so. He’s promising you something that doesn’t exist. That lovely house with lovely children you are holding onto - he will still be this man he is now today, but you will have children with him and be forever entangled with his demands upon you and your poor little innocent children to be better versions of yourselves, not show him up and embarrass him with your happy thoughts or feelings: imagine those children laughing in a shop and him telling them to be quiet, perhaps storming off when they are a bit too loud for his liking, you driving your kids around crying because daddy has got out of the car at the traffic lights and the row scared the kids. That will be your life with him

falaff · 22/10/2018 23:54

@PookieDo you're right. He has had the opportunity before. He said that thinking things over and doing soul searching for the week that we weren't together was enough to make him realise that he had issues and he had turned a corner.

I have taken in a lot of the things that I have read on here about partners getting better for 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, but ultimately going back to how they were before. If I hadn't have read that then giving him another chance would be my default action. It is really hard to look so far into the future when he promises to change.

It was heartbreaking earlier, he told me all of the things that he loved about me and what he was going to do to change. I wish I could believe him. He has given it some serious thought and I feel mad to not give him a chance to act on all of that.

What I am thinking of doing is getting my things from his house and saying that I want to break up but will potentially try again in a few months if he has taken serious steps to sort things out.

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PookieDo · 22/10/2018 23:54

Frankly OP everything you have said about this man I can guarantee you he will be a terrible father. I have children and hand on my heart assure you that this type of person always is bad at parenting.

He is too insecure, too selfish, too self absorbed, too possessive and too childish and petty to have any of the good father qualities a good parent needs. He will resent those children like he resents your musician for stealing away your time, he will resent noise and children who cannot be controlled and moulded to his standard. He will become MORE controlling when you are vulnerable and pregnant, because you will be weak emotionally and unable to focus on staying strong as you will be afraid of the future.

If you can’t think of yourself in this situation then picture how you would cope with his behaviour as it is right now with a child. And what if you spend another year with him, nothing changes and you lose a year of fertility window where you could have met someone else? What if he steals your whole fertility window by never changing?

falaff · 22/10/2018 23:58

You're right. It hurts so much but you are right. I need to be tough with myself. Thanks for your help. It's been helpful to write it all out too.

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