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Parental alienation by ex - is my boyfriend supposed to stay single forever?

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Raindancing · 21/10/2018 20:10

Hi everyone, first time poster, and this gets a bit confusing so please bear with me!

I've been loitering for a while on the divorce discussions and it's been but really helpful.

I'm in the process of getting divorced from a complete EA Narc after a long marriage, I already have had Decree Nisi for over a year now and now having to go through protracted court case before absolute, as I said its all been fun... but that's a whole other story, there's something else I'm now a bit stumped with...

Anyway... we at least got as far as separating and I moved out into my own house after having to live under the same roof separated for 8 months. Egged on by the girls I worked with I was encouraged to go online and start dating which I wasn't sure I was entirely ready for but lo and behold... a month after I moved out I met someone and started dating with no expectations, a bit of getting it out of my system type of thing, problem is he turned out to be really lovely.

We find ourselves still together after over a year now, and have had a fun year getting to know each other and remembering what life's supposed to be about, its been great.

Before he met me He'd been married and divorced for 6 years with two kids aged 12 and 15, his ex wife also appears to be a complete Narc, leaving him for someone that they employed at the company they had together, getting pregnant by him and then, running what had been their joint company to bankruptcy...he lost everything.

He then started a relationship with someone else who had two kids of their own of a similar age to his, and they lived together him having joint custody of his kids. As the kids started getting closer to his then partner, his ex wife (who's partner had now turned physically abusive with her and my boyfriend's kids) and by whom she now had two other kids by, created a pack of lies and went back to court for a revision of custody, leaving him with just alternate weekend contact with to his kids, but leaving them living with her and her abusive new partner!

She then proceeded to alienate both kids, so they both stopped seeing my boyfriend altogether, the younger of the two eventually decided he wanted to see his Dad again and does although she does everything in her power to stop it and mess up contact time. The older of the two hasn't properly seen his Dad for nearly three years (she says its his choice, but there has been no reason why he shouldn't see his Dad and he appears to be being coerced) apart from at sport sessions that his Dad makes sure he goes to to support BOTH his sons and show he's still there.

Anyway the other relationship he had broke up after 5 years last year, around 8 months before he met me (they never married, just lived together, I suspect the ex's behaviour had a lot to do with it)

Anyway the crux of it is... The boyfriends ex wife has now split with the abusive partner she left my boyfriend for, leaving her with four kids on her own, whom she's very possessive of, my boyfriend's two older kids and two younger ones 6&5 from the abusive ex partner.

She has now started my boyfriend by getting his kids to text him asking for more money (she gets child maintenance from him already) and getting them to say things like if he doesn't pay it he's not a real Dad. He's noticed the younger kid that he does see, has been quiet and more off-hand with him as she is clearly also now trying to alienate him from his Dad too. He's trying his hardest to keep contact at all costs this last few weeks, often to the detriment of our time together which I completely understand, although its been tough.

I haven't met his kids at all yet, he's been terrified that if I do (and chances are he thinks they'd like me - I'm not intending being a replacement mother or rocking her boat by any means) she'll increase the pressure and break the remaining contact he has with his kids.

Obviously he doesn't want to risk that, but he's now massively torn and contemplating breaking up with me as he feels guilty and says he can't keep me in limbo not meeting his kids for the next few years until they are old enough to make their own decisions re: seeing him, which without her influence I think they would. But obviously we can't risk him losing contact either. He says he can't imagine me not being in his life but is just paralysed not knowing what to do.

I'm prepared to bide my time for a while at least, and haven't pressured him other than saying I'd love one day to meet his kids and be part of their and his lives one day rather than being having to be kept separate, which is true.

He's gone off into his 'Man cave' for a bit of headspace and I'm left wondering what the hell to do and how the hell to deal with this, it just feels like we're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Has anyone been in a similar situation? how do you deal with a relationship with someone who's ex is hell bent on alienating her kids from him with no justification. Do we just go for it an hope to be able to deal with the fall out? or do I have to forever stay the 'secret' girlfriend?

OP posts:
PyongyangKipperbang · 22/10/2018 12:22

And before anyone says it, yes he did go to court, report their disappearance etc but got nowhere and eventually ran out of money to the point of bankruptcy.

Sorry to disappoint you but sometimes men really do get fucked over through no fault of their own.

IStandWithPosie · 22/10/2018 12:23

So he was spending 6 months trying to locate them? Of course he was.

PyongyangKipperbang · 22/10/2018 12:24

YEs, he was. Why is that so hard to believe?! Wouldnt you do that if your ex disappeared with your kids overnight?

HeavensNoHellYeah · 22/10/2018 12:24

Posie you clearly have no idea how the court process works in such circumstances. Id considering six months fast moving tbh. Surprised they got anywhere at all.

PyongyangKipperbang · 22/10/2018 12:25

And actually it wasnt 6 months, it was over 2 years. Every time he tracked them down she moved again.

IStandWithPosie · 22/10/2018 12:29

I’m trying you think how terrified of someone I’d have to be to move my children so far away every few months. Pretty terrified. I’m assuming there was no child support paid.

DadJoke · 22/10/2018 12:37

I think he is spinning you quite a tale. I think he is the hero of his own story, he is following a misery script, and would like you to finish with him so isn't the one who has to do the deed. Elements of his story are plausible, but the whole thing? It's like three excuses for not having your homework done.

I think it's going to end. To get it done quickly, let him follow his script. "Yes, I think you are right, this isn't going to work because of the kids. I know you have to put them first." Or, as another poster suggested, just nod when he brings the subject up, express sympathy, don't give a view, but move on quickly. Let him do his own dirty work.

adaline · 22/10/2018 12:37

Why was she moving every six months? Was she really going through all that hassle, upheaval and expense just to piss him off?

Or was there something else going on and she was terrified of him knowing where she lived?

PyongyangKipperbang · 22/10/2018 12:56

Wow, men really cant win on here can they?!

Look, I knew her (have NC now, wont have anything to do with her) I know exactly what happened. She wasnt frightened of him, yes he paid the CSA, yes he did everything in his power to see his kids. She freely admitted that she didnt want him seeing the kids simply because she wanted her new man to be Daddy, and airbrush the ex out of their lives. No accusations of abuse. Almost no one in her family and former social circle has anything to do with her because she either cut them off if they disagreed with her behaviour or they didnt want anything to do with her. My sister was her best friend and when she said that this woman should be allowing the kids to see their dad and tried to talk sense into her, she cut my sister off. My sister spent many months with the man trying to help him find the kids and then get contact.

She is/was a disgrace. He is a broken man who still sends letters, cards and presents to her parents on the off chance that one day they will get them. He is counting down until his eldest is 18.

But hey, he has a pair of bollocks so therefore must be an abusive bastard, because ovaries mean you cannot possibly be in the wrong..... Hmm

PyongyangKipperbang · 22/10/2018 12:58

That should say, his eldest surviving child.

PookieDo · 22/10/2018 14:31

I do believe there are women out there who are absolute nightmares - so OP should leg it for that reason alone, alongside the fact that none of it might be true

True or not true who knows
What OP knows to be true is that this is a headfuck situation she can avoid getting into

yetmorecrap · 22/10/2018 17:17

I think sandy summarises it really well. Ex may or may not be a nut job, however this is an awful lot of drama to cope with

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