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Not sure what to do for the best - really need some wise advice...(warning - long and rambling!)

33 replies

Fieryspark · 14/06/2007 17:09

Hello all, I'm new here - first posting of my own thread so a bit nervous (you'll see why if you read on). Anyway, deep breath - here goes...

It feels a bit strange to be asking advice from people I don't know but, haven't really got many people to discuss this with in real life - live abroad and friends here are fun and social rather than ones to pour- my- heart -out- to, iyswim.

To cut a long story short, my dh had an affair with someone he met through work which started about a year ago and ended (not cleanly enough though) around February this year - which is when I found out I was pregnant with our second child.

Since then we've been to counselling and much has improved and he says he's committed to me and our dd (aged six). He has also promised to move back to UK with us (a bit deal for me as we only came out here for his job and I was never very keen in the first place).

The thing is that the "other woman" (who is also married with two kids under five) is still obsessed - she was convinced that dh and I would split up and is now furious that he has not only dumped her but won't remain as her friend as he initially promised (!). I have told DH that if he wants to remain married to me then he can have ZERO CONTACT with other woman at any point - certainly could not be friends with her later on - even if our marriage improved and we'd moved back to the UK etc!!

DH has now clearly told her it's all over including friendship and that he wants no more contact with her ever. He is being open with me and tells me anytime this woman tries to contact him (he does not reply to her e-mails or pick up phone if she calls) He's also given me access to his work and other private email accounts - which he used to use to have contact with her - and he has told the other woman that I have access; so she knows that he and I are a team and that he's not keeping secrets from me.

This woman is now basically harassing him; phoning at work up to 10 times a day sometimes (he has caller id so never picks up if it's her) and so she leaves voicemail messages. She has also emailed and attached an old email of his (where he says how much she had meant to him) knowing that I could see it. Last week she left a voicemail at his work asking him to call her (which he did not) and as he did not respond she emailed him an article from a newspaper regarding marriage problems and about how men will go elsewhere if they are unhappy at home - again knowing that I might see it!!!). Upshot was that he was absolutely furious with her and shouted at her on phone; telling her to leave him alone and that we'd be considering legal advice/ restraining order against her!

This last bit must have had an impact; as she left another voicemail on Tuesday saying she was sorry for her behaviour and that she'd spoken to one of her friends who also told her in no uncertain terms that she had to stop acting like this. So...she said she understood she needed to move on and that we needed her to move on too; but that she was finding it hard to do so and just wanted the chance to see my DH in person and express all her hurt and anger at my DH at the way he'd hurt her and broken his promises (yes, my heart bleeds for her!!) and then she'd never contact him again as she'd get "closure" in this way.

When DH broached this with me, my instant response was "No way!! It's over, if she has a problem getting over it/ her hurt pride at not being in control at the ending of the relationship, then that's her problem and she can get help from her own friends or counsellor, but, not my DH!" He also does not want to see her, but just wants to put an end to all the endless phonecalls and emails etc. and believes (knowing her) that a final meet up to allow her to vent to his face (which I know about and other woman knows that I know about, for a time limited period, in a public place where I could be nearby) would do the trick and get her out of our lives for good...

I disagree, firstly I think it's her problem and that she is responsible for her own actions. If she can't or won't stop calling/ emailing we should get legal advice re. restraining order (something he's dead set against- he's worried that if we go down that route it could incite further trouble for us from her and he might lose his job - as they met through work and trawling through work phone logs etc would be terribly embarrassing etc) and secondly I absolutely dislike the notion of his meeting her alone for any reason (even if I know all the details and could be nearby and get to leave with him so she sees he is with me).

So either he meets her with the possibility that it might just stop or he doesn't and she either stops anyway or she carries on (and then we decide at that point what if any further action to take).

What would you do??

by the way, thank you for reading if you've got this far!

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Lizzylou · 14/06/2007 17:17

Gosh, Fieryspark what a situation, I would really, really balk at him meeting her tbh. It all seems like she is simply trying to engineer another meeting with your DH.

She sounds such a drama queen, I can understand why your DH wants an end to this harassment but I think informing her in no uncertain terms (via phone or email) that she has to leave you alone and have no further contact should be "closure" enough.

skidaddle · 14/06/2007 17:22

Think you have been through quite enough without this - I am sure she has lots of friends/family who can support her - you and your DH should not have to do this

sparklesandwine · 14/06/2007 17:23

Oh dear FS you do sound in a pickle! I don't know what to say except you are being very calm about the whole thing!

I think that although your DP has made a mistake you are obviously both willing to work through this and still love each other enought to start again - so well done there

Maybe you could suggest to the woman that you go with DP to meet her as you stand as a couple and although she says he has broken promises to her and she wants to vent her anger to him - what about you!! - maybe you should think about going along too to discuss it all together and all lay your cards on the table about it then it may be 'closure' for you all?

ooops my response is almost as long as your OP

SittingBull · 14/06/2007 17:23

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NKF · 14/06/2007 17:25

Meeting sounds a bad idea. She has to find closure some other way. Good luck.

yomellamoHelly · 14/06/2007 17:25

I don't think it'll change anything tbh. I think she'd be better off talking off to a counsellor about why she may be feeling the way she does.
Maybe your dh should write her a carefully-worded letter to this effect to her "for closure".

edam · 14/06/2007 17:29

I know with stalkers you are advised NOT to meet them as it just feeds the obsession. And it sounds as if her behaviour is heading towards stalker-dom.

It's not your job or your dhs to enable her to offload. If dh really wants to, then suggest she writes a letter, so she gets it all off her chest.

turquoise · 14/06/2007 17:30

She sounds very unbalanced and desperately trying to control the situation - if your dh sees her under any circumstances she will feel she has gained some element of that control and will not then back off, I bet you.

I would just bite the bullet and go down the restraining order route if she keeps going, you can't carry on like this - and she sounds as if she will only get worse.

NKF · 14/06/2007 17:30

I think he shouldn't write. He's told her it's over and he's staying with his wife and family. She's obviously devastated but it won't help her in the long run if he stays a bit in touch.

3sEnough · 14/06/2007 17:31

Hi - I wouldn't go near her with a barge poll - dh or you and dh (bunnies in the pan come to mind) She already has 'closure' in the real world - it's just in the parallel obsessive universe she is inhabiting that she doesn't have it!! I would tell her that closure can be from now - no contact ever again or via a restraining order. Good luckx

shimmy · 14/06/2007 17:34

If dh wants to meet her insist that you go too. That way you give her the clear message that dh is with you. Thee are supposed to be no secrets between you and dh so there's nothing he or she can't say with you there.

Dior · 14/06/2007 17:37

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hurtwife · 14/06/2007 17:43

NO NO NO

He should not meet up with her.

We have been through similar and still go to counselling. Our councellor said that this could happen. We were told to just say we have all made our choices and not get into any discussions whatsoever.

It is her problem.

With the work thing, they will i am sure have been through this before and agian i am sorry if it hurts your H but was he thinking like that last year?

Good luck you can do it - we are now in a much better place.

AbRoller · 14/06/2007 17:48

I wouldn't go down the legal route just yet if his job would be in jeopardy.

Would not be happy to let them meet alone either. Not because I wouldn't trust him (you've both obviously worked hard on your relationship and it seems your very close and honest with eachother now)but because as another poster said, she could say anything!

The letter idea I don't think would work either because if she saying she wants to vent then she still doesn't get the chance and may continue this bullshit.

Suggest - 1)She meet you both for reasons made clear earlier in thread. 2)She can vent in her own letter to him which you will also read 3)legal route.

good luck

thegardener · 14/06/2007 17:51

i agree with the others who have said not to meet her, what's the point, the affair is over end of story, she really needs to get a little bit of help and that is something that you or your husband can't provide.

macdoodle · 14/06/2007 17:55

um nope no way as all above - same happened to me and DH ex OW (same lunatic obsessed) he did see her alone she manipulated him and me every time (yes I know I know he is a tosser) but now she is pregnant and we will never get rid of her - my advice just ignore her or get solicitor to send her letter warning re possible police or injunction if continues...trust us we have all been there - scorned OW are very smart and obviously have no morals to start with and men who have already cheated are obviously weak to temptation - just stay away my heartfelt advice ...

milkchocolate · 14/06/2007 17:57

What a quandry you are in, and well done for getting through this together.

I suggest you tell her you will only meet her if you AND her husband is present. That will give her something to think about.

Further, I would put a block on any email coming from her, redirect it straight to rubbish bin, and tell her you are doing this, if she knows NEITHER of you are reading her mails, there is no point in her continuing. Put call barring on her number if you can on his mobile, and homephone if she has that number, you can block her on the telephone preference service.

You have to shield yourself from this, you dont HAVE to read any emails, listen to any voicemails. etc.

Freckle · 14/06/2007 18:07

Do not meet with her. Block her email address (or change yours) and block her phone number from your phone line.

What is happening with her marriage? Does her dh know about the affair? If so, is he ending the marriage which might be why she is so desparate to get your dh because she might otherwise end up with nothing?

3littlefrogs · 14/06/2007 18:15

She sounds mentally unbalanced. I would strongly advise NOT meeting her. She is manipulating you and your DH.

alipiggie · 14/06/2007 18:17

Under no circumstances meet her. My suggestion as another wife who's H had an affair and finished off my marriage would be you write to her and tell her under no circumstances will she meet your H again. You should not let your H make any contact with her whatsoever. Good luck.

elifay · 14/06/2007 18:35

My heart goes out to you. I am in a very similar situation...I posted a thread (infidelity) if you want to read it...
I would not let him meet her alone..those type of woman are just plain crazy...If it's clear in your dh mind and in yours that there is nothing more to say about this, why should you care about the fact that she needs «closure»... I mean, what gives her the right to think you should act as she wants after all she's done??
Hang in there!
I'm glad you and your husband are going through this together...I know how hard it is...It gives me hope.

Paddlechick666 · 14/06/2007 18:50

definately do not meet her IMO.

it's fuelling what already sounds like a pretty unstable person.

she probably really thinks one last meeting will help her but i doubt it really would.

for every response she gets she will try to get another one.

she needs help to move on clearly but it's up to her to get that help.

your dh hasn't behaved well to either of you and in some perverse way she has a right to be angry with him - as do you.

he's made his decision, he's communicated it to her........ end of!

good luck, hope you guys stay on track and the OW gets a grip and some self respect and leaves you alone.

zizou · 14/06/2007 18:53

do not meet her.

hurtwife · 14/06/2007 19:08

Mcdoodle

Lovely - she has no morals and he is weak.

I think all us wronged wives are with you there.

Fieryspark · 14/06/2007 21:33

Thank you so much for your replies! It's really helped me to firm up my resolve and not agree to dh meeting the OW.

It was pretty much in line with my thinking that it's not dh/ my role to help her get over her obsessive behaviour, rather that it's her responsibility as an adult to seek appropriate help if she feels she needs it!

Also, and I haven't mentioned this before, but, she does appear very unstable - she promised to cut contact with dh in April (if he/ we kept away from certain places that she went with her husband and kids - so as not to "rub his face in it") and accused my dh of being "stalkerish" due to the fact that we are going on holiday (to a well known tourist destination) where she and her family went last year (and she won't be there this year) - sorry but how is it possible to stalk someone by visiting somewhere they once went to in the past? Anyway, she then has the gall to turn up at his office building having made this stalker jibe and then casually rang him asking him to lunch with her as she was in the lobby!!! As it happened I was due to meet him for lunch around the same time and by some miracle didn't bump into her. But later the same afternoon, although she knew that DH was having lunch with me and so knew I'd be in the vicinity, she actually went to his office and left a pot of daffodils with the receptionist for him - thank heavens he was still out at lunch with me!! Creepy or what...

In fact my husband has told her that she was acting like a bunny boiler which obviously really got to her (she actually stopped contacting him for a couple of weeks but then got really drunk apparently and sent a vitriolic email claiming that she was happily married and that DH had spent months persuading her to leave her husband (not true) and that I was the obsessed one!

I think she's actually a narcissist and possibly a sociopath as she's never shown any remorse just does the whole "poor me" routine - she chose to have an affair and is now complaining about being hurt herself. All I can think is that affairs always lead to hurt but the two people involved had a chance to make their choices and presumably had something positive out of it at least at the time; their betrayed partners get only hurt through no choice of their own.

Anyway, thanks again for your advice; it does feel good to write this stuff down, have been keeping it all in my head for months now.

On a more positive note, I went to midwife and heard my baby's heartbeat and kicking (I'm 20 weeks) so that has made me happy!

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