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Threat of Court for Contact.

39 replies

CandyB12 · 29/09/2018 18:33

Hi all,
I have never posted before but I am interested in everyones views. I have 5 children but this concerns 3 of them. I split with my eldest childrens dad over 8 years ago due to DV I fled with the children. The last straw was when he slit his wrists and waved them about in front the children whilst screaming "say goodbye to daddy"because I tried to end our 6 year relationship, he has ADHD but not under the Doctors for it and was poorly managed in childhood as his mum is an alcoholic and she couldn't manage. He started court proceedings which during, my dad died and I got seriously assaulted, he contacted me and we agreed to only concentrate on the children and completely take ourselves out of the equation and start up contact and leave the Courts out of it. We gradually went from park visits with me there and then without me there, it went well for a while. He got a girlfriend and I felt he was being "a good dad". I got a partner and me and my partner would do the 45 minute drive to drop them off and pick the children up. One day we picked the children up and he called to say my 5 yr old daughter is welcome to come round but my 2 yr old son is to naughty and he does not want to see him, we argued, I said he doesn't get to pick a favourite child and contact was lost. In 2014 I recieved a message from him saying he has done everything to find us and he doesn't want contact but just wanted to know how the children were. I told him they was doing well and settled at school etc...and I am happy to keep him updated on their lives, to which he wrote he will be taking me to court and they are his children. I agreed he can take me to court as they have only just gotten settled and bedwetting and behaviour tantrums had declined, I also felt the court can make contact safe for both children. He never made an application. I also recieved a msg from his sister stating "getting rid of my drug addict of a brother was the best thing I ever done". As the years have past and the children have felt more secure and some of the stories they tell me about what he did breaks my heart, I ask why they didn't tell me and they say they don't know they thought it was normal (mainly my eldest daughter, others don't remember too much) In 2016 my son was diagnosed with ADHD and Tourettes (physical ticks) he has had alot of Behavioural and Play therapy and is begginning to understand how to take responsibility for his own actions which is massive progress, his self esteem and confidence is up to the point he joined in on the school play this year and he has not been excluded from School for over a year. My eldest daughter was affected most and CAHMS have suggested EMDR Treatment (therapy). I now work for a Domestic Abuse Service and can deliver the Freedom Programme on a one to one basis, also got qualifications in Health and Social Care, Early Years and Special educational needs. I am very close to achieving my goal of becoming an Independent Domestic Violence Advisor, been with my partner for 7 years and we had 2 children together. So life was going well for all of us and all the issues from the past were in the process of being resolved untill my partner received a message over FB from him this week saying if I don't give him contact he is taking me to court then I recieved one from his sister saying shes on my side and he put a court application in 2 weeks ago and has his local social services on his side for full custordy because he has a full time job and no convictions (he does from the dv towards me). From everything I've learned especially over the past 5 years the one thing that sticks out most to me is my opinion is conflicted due to the Physical, Sexual and Emotional abuse he subjected me to and the Physical and Emotional abuse he subjected my children to, although I didn't know about the Physical part both types of abuse are as disgusting as the other. So I post on here in the hope of some advice and opinions so I can decide on my next steps that is in the best interests of my children because anything I think off I seem to beat myself up about.
Thanks in advance

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Aprilislonggone · 29/09/2018 18:37

Imo you went over and above to assist your dc in maintaining a relationship with their df. I doubt a judge would give him unsupervised access never mind full custody. Personally I would ignore and block him.

DewDropsonKittens · 29/09/2018 18:43

Do you have police reports from the domestic abuse?

If so, you will be entitled to legal aid in respect of court.
Go to a very good family lawyer, ensure you have all your facts in order and be strong

He has to apply for mediation before court accepts it as a case, which you can decline based on the DA

you will likely be contacted by a CAFCASS worker. Who will want to speak with you, the children if they are old enough and they will inform the court on their findings

It is not true that social services would be supporting him for full residency as they don't get involved unless they are on child protection and there are concerns around the environment the children live in.

DewDropsonKittens · 29/09/2018 18:46

Also, do not have any further conversations with his sister. She is quite obviously playing both sides.

Thingsdogetbetter · 29/09/2018 18:53

So he hasn't seen them for 4 years, and his local ss supports his application for FULL custody? Bollox do they. Biggest bull shit ever! If he has actually put in an application on the premise of full custody it would be laughed out of court. Especially when they discover he lied about his conviction and has left it years to apply.

However be prepared for court with a shl cos he's obviously deluded enough to let it go that far. Ask his sister if she's willing to stand for you in court. Have all paperwork ready. Write down dates of all abuse involiving the dc, like him slitting his wrists, only wanting to take one dc. Evidence that you were willing to keep him updated etc. Cahms reports on the dc etc.

At worst he might get supervised contact IF it's in the dc' s best interests. But that's unlike after his not attempting contact for so long and the fact it will unstablize the dc further.

He can hire a lawyer and make an application all he likes. Doesn't mean it will happen. Lawyers will write letters and attend court even if they know there is 0% chance of winning. It's a money game. Family courts aren't idiots. Their job is to work out what's in the dc's best interests, not his.

NotTheFordType · 29/09/2018 19:02

Hmm. What have CAMHS said exactly?

CandyB12 · 29/09/2018 19:04

Thank you all for your comments, he hasn't seen or had any contact for 7 years. He threatened court 4 years ago but never went through with it. I'm left with huge Anxiety over the messages and trying to rationalise it makes it scarier because then I feel he is targeting me again, although this time he has a shocker because I'm not the shy timid girl I once was. Yes I have loads of paperwork from social services and police reports about the dv. I did phone children services to report the message and threat to them they say because I'm safeguarding my children they will not help me but if he gets contact then they will need to become involved, which slightly stresses me out abit.

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CandyB12 · 29/09/2018 19:06

CAHMS have put it in writing she is emotionally distressed and needs intensive therapy EMDR (need to look more into that) they also question if she has Autism but are not sure if it's just trauma

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iris81 · 29/09/2018 19:07

@CandyB12 I work in social services, he hasn't got a chance, I wouldn't waste any time worrying about him. I'm such cases carcass would gather the children's wishes and would submit a report in their best interests. It's very clear what's best for them, you sound like a fantastic mum and they are in a stable loving home. X

iris81 · 29/09/2018 19:08

Cafcass not carcass Hmm

DewDropsonKittens · 29/09/2018 19:09

Carcass Grin

CandyB12 · 29/09/2018 19:12

Thank you so much I can't tell you how much better that comment makes me feel. I haven't ever told the younger children about the domestic violence they only know their memories and I allow them to talk freely with their emotions, I have spoken with my eldest and asked her if she wants to talk about her memories if she can do it with me or another adult (I know she may not be able to express as freely to me so she doesn't make me feel bad) so the younger ones do not grow up with negative views. I suppose his threat has done what it was designed to do and I prey he doesn't take any action.

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iris81 · 29/09/2018 20:08

My ex partner is as deluded as yours, it's exhausting isn't it! I just know you'll be absolutely fine though, it'll come to nothing xx

CandyB12 · 29/09/2018 20:13

It is exhausting and I hope it does come to nothing but if it does I know I've got it in me to keep them safe and progressing how they are. Have you had to go to court? I can't think of anything worse xx

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iris81 · 29/09/2018 20:37

No I've not gone to court but he's threatening it. There's dv incidents and he's been charged and had a restraining order in place for 12 months. He still thinks a court would side with him because he believes his eyes. Honestly he's that thick and misinformed sometimes I chuckle and find it comical. I'd go to court for the look on his face when it goes tits up for him Grin

iris81 · 29/09/2018 20:38

Lies not eyes!!! Having fun with autocorrect tonight haha

CandyB12 · 29/09/2018 21:06

Well as I know well Dominators will use our children as a pawn in their games because they know how much we love and care for them....I suppose as other posts have said collecting the evidence and using it to keep our littlens safe is our best bet.....I wonder if anyone knows of any Orders that can be applied for to stop the content threat. I think it's disgusting they use our children's rights to have a consistent relationship with their biological parents to continue their harassment and abuse. As this is the 2nd time in 4 years he has threatened court if he doesn't follow through I wonder if there are any steps I can take myself to prevent the threats. He doesn't know where I live and as he used to stalk me (also on police report) I'm not sure if I can get a non molestation order and I also do not want him to use any of my applications to get contact as he will not be consistent.

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CandyB12 · 29/09/2018 21:08

Wow mine's at it now 😂😂 constant threat

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Nightwatch999 · 29/09/2018 21:17

Look please do not take this the wrong way, but you deliver The Freedom programme to other vulnerable people, yet you are asking on here what to do because your Abusive Ex is starting up his games again?

What would you tell your clients?
You know fine well Social Services would not support his claim in court without Cafcass, Storm reports etc.

Just block him. Let him try take you to court. Doubt he would even pursue it.

iris81 · 29/09/2018 21:20

I completely agree with you! I recently was able to have a Pin notice issued to him as he was harassing me, I'd kept voicemails, texts and wrote what had happened, I reported to police and they went round to give it him. If he carries on he will be arrested for harassment.
I'd just block him and maybe even his sister? Cut any way he can get hold of you and I bet he disappears again? X

DewDropsonKittens · 29/09/2018 21:21

Have you got a non molestation order in place? As these can include direct and indirect contact

CandyB12 · 29/09/2018 21:22

It's fine I haven't taken it the wrong way, I get your point but it's much easier to see a situation from the outside. I am emotionally attached to this situation and so that threat scares the life out of me, me and my children have worked so very hard to overcome all the trauma I couldn't bare for them or me to go through anything like that again, I suppose I am blinded through the panic

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RandomMess · 29/09/2018 21:24

Deep breath stop panicking!!!

How old are the DC do they even want to see him???

He doesn't stand a chance of much other than supervised in a contact centre from what you've written Thanks

CandyB12 · 29/09/2018 21:26

This is why I think in feeling so vulnerable. I have no Orders in place at all, I've always been to worried to apply incase he gets my address or uses the application to start up contact. I'm think I agree to blocking him and his sister (I haven't messaged her at all over the years she pings me a random message) they only have my partners FB, I don't have social media apart from mumsnet if that counts and he doesn't have my phone number or email address.

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CandyB12 · 29/09/2018 21:29

Thanks randommess my children are 15, 11 and 9...15 yr old is still under CAHMS for trauma and 9 year old has ADHD and Tourettes, they never really speak about him and when they do it's about the past incidents x

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RandomMess · 29/09/2018 21:36

Well court could well take up to a year so they will be 16, 12, 10...

If they don't want to see him then possibly only the youngest will be too young for their wishes not to be taken into account. He's done nothing about seeking contact for years - not applied to court do that doesn't show him as a man desperate for a relationship does it?

Once it all goes to court you will have certainty and that may be easier than the limbo you have now?