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Now missing my ex - does this ever end?

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wtaf1 · 25/09/2018 17:42

Divorce was not what I wanted (though my ex thinks that for years I wanted the house - which he always refused to have in my name as well as his - to be all mine, and that divorce was my way of achieving that Hmm, but after years of my marriage being very difficult, I jumped over the cliff, and the whole process was as traumatic as I thought it was going to be.

The reasons, as stated on the petition, were that ex showed me no care, physical affection or any interest in me, that he was prone to overreacting to small things and then not speaking to me for weeks, and that he had always refused to put my name on the family home or give me any kind of feeling of security - even hiding a property he had bought for a whole year. It was worded in more detail.

And it was all true. Ex had a short temper and could be very unpleasant. If my response was too much for his ego to cope with, he would then not speak to me for weeks. Using silence as punishment. During that time I would live my life feeling awful, with an awful gnawing pain in the pit of my stomach, able to think of nothing else. Eventually, after weeks and weeks of this, I would send him an email asking him to stop his silence, and he would slowly come out of it. There was never any talking about what had happened. We were only able to talk about the very superficial, because my attempts to do otherwise were always met with defensively being blamed / shouted down.

He had completely lost interest in sex and this had been going on for years. It would be me who always initiated it - maybe every six weeks, but this felt soul destroying. In the year before the episode which ended our marriage for good, we slept together 3 times. Worse than this was the complete lack of affection - never being touched. Lying in bed next to someone who never put their arm around you. Or if I put my arm around him, would lie there completely unresponsive.

And with regards to all big financial decisions, they were all made by him. Though I owned half a small with a relative of mine, the family home was completely in his name, and he refused point blank to have my name on the deeds as well - which would have given me a sense of security. He refused to discuss having a will or life insurance. He had other properties, also in his name, and any choice to invest money in them was only made by him. On one occasion he hid the acquisition of a retail property from me for almost a year until I found out. Because our relationship had been very difficult that year, and I guess he thought he would not have to share an asset that I didn’t know about.

He had a nice side to him, but also a very critical and blaming one, and there was a walking on eggshells element to our relationship - especially at weekends, when he would shower affection on the kids and exclude me completely.

There were things I could have done differently in the relationship, but ex’s behaviour was the one which made any kind of communication and resolution of problems impossible.

Ex first completely ignored and also ridiculed my attempts at talking about splitting up and going to mediation to make it easier. When he realised that I was serious, because he received the petition and I had also made an application to the court for financial remedy (he had in the interim sold a property, and refused to answer any of my solicitor’s questions about it, so she advised me to do this), he tried to manipulate me into not going ahead. That was hard, because part of me would have jumped back into his bed - but I didn’t trust that his niceness would last, and within it he was still managing to say some awful / very manipulative things.

So the divorce process went ahead, and ex reverted to type, on several occasions being extremely unpleasant and aggressively shouting at me / calling me all the names under the sun - in front of one of my dds on two occasions 😡.

We lived in the same house for about 9 or 10 months while it was all going ahead, mostly in complete silence, but it was very stressful. Most of the previous year we had also been completely estranged, following a really nasty outburst of ex’s. So we are now coming up to almost two years of not having spoken at all.

After it became clear that the divorce process was going ahead, ex got into something with somebody almost immediately and I could hear him on the phone for hours, very late at night. He would have showers and go out - bought new clothes and underwear Hmm. This was really upsetting as we were still living together, and it happened almost immediately. I don’t know if they are still together and ex is honest about nothing.

He moved out in April, and our settlement came into effect a few months after. It is fair, but he is resentful. He has chosen to invest some money in a project, and consequently has somewhere to live which is fine in the interim, but not suitable for the dc, and in any case they don’t want to go there.

So he comes to my house every Saturday morning and cooks for the kids - and probably spends about 5 or 6 hours here. I normally go out to facilitate this.

Recently however, I have started a new job which is really full on, and I can’t go out every weekend any more. So last weekend I decided I would stay upstairs and do stuff there. Except that it was depressing and I did nothing. I then heard him ask my lodger/friend if she wanted some of the food he had made - all kind of giggly and kind. She said no (as she was about to go out with me for coffee), but I was upset.

It seems that being ignored in my own home was quite a prevalent feature of my marriage, and yet here I am, still being ignored in my home, and what’s worse, sort of hiding while he is here Angry.

We still do not talk at all - and in fact ex is still being unpleasant about various money related and other matters.

So I emailed him to say that it is okay for him to come over and cook for the dc while I am at work during the week, but at the weekend could he please take them out instead of seeing them here (he does sometimes ask them out, but they don’t always go because they are at the monosyllabic stay in their room stage).

Is this a reasonable thing to have asked?

What do I do if he ignores this and comes over anyway?

What’s more I am nervous now as it was his birthday this week, and he is going to take the dc to eat out this weekend. I am worried that he is going to ask my lodger/friend to come as well.

Added to all of this, I also find myself missing him - or the parts of his personality which I like. I texted him Happy Birthday, but I don’t know why the fuck I did that, as he didn’t answer.

It’s all one big mess, and to be honest I can only see more of the same kind of weird purgatory ahead. One where I feel disliked and the satanic figure who dared to instigate the divorce. He seems to think that I was easily persuaded by my solicitor.

I just don’t know when all of this is going to end. And I have been taken aback by the missing him. I have suddenly realised that I am lonely. The loneliness during my marriage, and my current loneliness both having maximum effect now.

So I imagine these scenarios where we eventually start talking again, but our communication is a lot better.

What am I supposed to do about all of this? If I could jump ship and live far away, I would, but I can’t.

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wtaf1 · 25/09/2018 17:47

Half a small property.

And apologies for the length of my post!

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Zofloramummy · 25/09/2018 17:51

I think access should our japoen away from your home.

Your ex is playing mind games by costing up to your lodger/friend

And I think you are missing having an adult partner to share the load. Not necessarily him, but somebody who cares about you. The nice bits you remember weren’t enough to save your marriage. And from what you’ve said you absolutely made the right decision to end it.

Zofloramummy · 25/09/2018 17:51

Happen!

Zofloramummy · 25/09/2018 17:52

Cosying
This what happens when you type as you are eating Blush

wtaf1 · 25/09/2018 17:52

I guess part of my also thinks that a relationship with ex would be easier now because we will soon be two separate legal and financial entities, so we would be free to just relate rather than having to continuously disagree about things. Added to which, I now have some agency and I am in control of my own destiny.

How do you stop having weird “getting back together” daydreams Confused.

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wtaf1 · 25/09/2018 17:54

Sorry, missed your post Zoflora. Yes, you are totally right about the nice bits not being enough, and about wanting to share the loads.

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wtaf1 · 25/09/2018 17:54

Load

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wtaf1 · 25/09/2018 18:22

Just wondering if anyone has any advice on moving on / not thinking about someone / not missing them ...

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category12 · 25/09/2018 18:30

How about starting dating other people? How about doing the Freedom Programme?

Starting things back up with your ex would be a massive mistake, you know it would. He's just familiar, but look at the list of reasons you've given for your split. Nothing's changed, he hasn't changed.

It's totally reasonable to stop him using your house at the weekends. It's bizarre that you've been allowing it.

caringdenise009 · 25/09/2018 18:31

You opened by saying that you did not want a divorce, but do you think that you wanted the marriage you have described? Do you really want to go back to that, but worse? His behaviour will be just as awful, possible more horrible because you going back to him will show him that no matter what you say, you will put up with anything to keep him.

Having been through the divorce process how will your daughters react?

You have done the hardest bit, grieve for the loss of what you wanted from marriage and family life with him and move on. Start a new social life, try things you've never done.

Stop ever letting him into your home. With not one foot does he invade your space. Your children don't much sound as if they enjoy it, and if they are old enough to grump in their rooms they are old enough to meet him at the garden gate/elsewhere. I found it strange when my mum came into our house after the split. She no longer had any business to be there.

For the love of god stop thinking about rekindling this putrid relationship.

saltandvinegarcrisps1 · 25/09/2018 18:33

No advice OP but i feel the same. Deep down i wasn't happy but i miss him so much sometimes it makes life seem so bleak and pointless

wtaf1 · 25/09/2018 19:13

How about starting dating other people?

I am 49 - do you think I am still going to be wanted in that way - genuine question? I somehow feel as if all of that happens to other people, and I am on the outside looking in.

but do you think that you wanted the marriage you have described?

No I really didn’t, you’re right. There’s always this feeling however, that if only I had done something different, things would have been okay.

Stop ever letting him into your home.

I am trying to work towards this - I guess some of it stems from a feeling of guilt - even though the settlement is fair, he is the one who had to leave the family home, and I can only imagine how hard that must have been.

Also, I hope to resolve the Saturday issue as that is really too much now. During the week his popping in might be inevitable I suppose and okay if I am not there? One of my dds might be ill tomorrow I think - there is no way I can stay home as I have been off sick for two days. In which case I would ask (self-employed) ex if he can pop in and out / spend a bit of time with her during the day. I don’t see any way round that?

I am sorry you feel the same saltandvinegar - it’s not easy. I guess it is that familiarity - the utter familiarity of the other person. In my case we were together for over 21 years, which feels like an endless amount of time.

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category12 · 25/09/2018 19:25

I am 49 - do you think I am still going to be wanted in that way

Of course. OAPs remarry, for goodness sake Grin.

DevonshireCreamTea · 25/09/2018 19:42

Hi OP. You sound like you have had a really rough few years. I think these daydream/thoughts you are having are totally normal part of grief. I would dedicate some time to feeling them and thinking about them. Maybe if you allow yourself to think out the scenarios in your head it might help them go away. Does that make sense ? Face them head on, acknowledge that it's normal xxx

caringdenise009 · 25/09/2018 19:50

It is your home because you want to live a happy loving family life in it. He did not.
I let my ex into my post split home for a few years. Until I asked myself-if I turned up on his doorstep, would he let me In ,make me tea and say make yourself at home? Why would I ever do that,it's madness. It's his contact. Everything about it is his responsibility. But it did take me 5 years to realise that.

wtaf1 · 25/09/2018 21:02

Thanks for your messages.

I think these daydream/thoughts you are having are totally normal part of grief.

Yes - maybe they are. I can’t really see an end in sight though. Maybe you always love your exes to an extent (however misguidedly in some ways)? It’s just this odd feeling that I could slot back into his life, but of course that’s not true.

It's his contact. Everything about it is his responsibility. But it did take me 5 years to realise that.

Yes - that’s a hard one to get ones head around I think.

Glad to know it might not be all over for me category Grin, but still, between being with the dc all of the time, and working, I have no idea where / when I would meet someone though ex seems to have had none of this problem Confused.

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wtaf1 · 25/09/2018 21:57

Also, what do I do if ex invites my lodger to this meal at the weekend?

It’s things like this that make me realise I am not over any of the trauma. I could eventually distance myself from the fact that he moved on so uber quickly, though he was callous in the way that he made it so obvious, because he eventually moved out, and I no longer had to listen to his loved up phone conversations - thank the Lord. But I was jealous when I heard him being kind to my friend, giggly and kind the bastard.

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category12 · 25/09/2018 22:00

Your mate isn't much of a mate if she's flirting back.

wtaf1 · 25/09/2018 22:08

She was definitely kind of laughing, but she said that she was going out (which she was, with me). She knows him from before as her and her ex came to stay with us a few times when we were together. So maybe that changes things a bit?

I hadn’t anticipated feeling like this though, and now all kinds of bloody scenarios are running through my head - one of which is that they get together, and then not only do I tell ex never to darken my door again, but I also kick her out as well.

Confused

Should have thought of this before asking my friend to stay.

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wtaf1 · 25/09/2018 22:10

The hurt that my ex caused me and the subsequent jealousy, when he was conducting his intimate phone calls with whoever it was - were awful. I sort of got on with the divorce though, and the anger kept me going.

But hearing him be nice to a grown woman in my house, while I am upstairs bloody hiding, has somehow triggered all those horrified feelings again.

AngryAngryAngry

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wtaf1 · 25/09/2018 22:11

Horrible, not horrified. Though I was also pretty horrified, to be fair.

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MewithaC · 25/09/2018 22:13

After a long and stressful marriage I ended up with some kind of Stockholm syndrome. I could have cut his cock off with a rusty knife but also missed him and felt loyal to him which meant he trampled me and still tries to.
One day you wake up and realise you just don't care anymore. About them, about upsettng them, any of it. It is very liberating!! Took me YEARS. Wish I had a thicker skin or was more resilient, but I got there. Don't let him dictate to you- he is not your friend.

category12 · 25/09/2018 22:20

Well, this goes back to you stopping him coming into your house. He shouldn't be in your house to flirt or anything else.

How old are your dc? They may not want to go out or whatever with him, but that doesn't mean you should facilitate at your own expense. It isn't negotiable. They go out with him at his access time. If they're old enough to choose cos they CBA, then they choose not to see him. Frankly, it sounds like it was an emotionally abusive relationship and you are still in the fog of that - the cost of his intrusion is too high. Your home should be your haven, and having him spending so much time in it acting as if it's natural for him to be there - well, it isn't, it's bloody weird.

wtaf1 · 25/09/2018 23:12

Don't let him dictate to you

Yes that is what he has been doing. Less than when we were married, but still it’s there.

the cost of his intrusion is too high. Your home should be your haven, and having him spending so much time in it acting as if it's natural for him to be there - well, it isn't

Yes this - in spades. The cost of his intrusion is too high, and ex’s boundaries are poor. He thinks that because his dc are here, it’s okay. And he still feels attached to the family home.

The dc are all at secondary school, so old enough to have their own thoughts about what they want to do. In some ways it would be easier if they were younger and just had to go out with ex.

He will eventually be settled with somewhere they can stay, but it looks as if it is going to take ages.

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category12 · 26/09/2018 06:50

He doesn't need somewhere for them to stay to see them, tho.
His boundaries are poor, but so are yours for letting it go on.

If the teens CBA to see him outside the home, it doesn't mean you have to let him into it. They need a reset of boundaries too. On the upside, they're old enough that you can explain that it's time for you to move things on to a different footing with their father.

If you wait for him to get a suitable place for the dc, you could be waiting til they're adults. What's in it for him? Nothing. He'd much prefer to use your place, do his thing (does he tidy up after himself?) and as an added bonus, keep you aware of him, off-balance and uncomfortable in your own home.

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