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DP lied, considering whole relationship

47 replies

ClaryFray · 29/08/2018 19:19

Hi all,

In need of some advice. DP and I have been together 18 months. I have one child, and he has two. Boys get on but the two older ones 7 and 8 often have power struggles due to who is going to be top dog. DP stays with me and my ds, several nights a week. And with his mum other nights.

Last Monday I caught him out in a lie. We were sat in the bedroom and DPs ex wife called, he dropped the call and refused to call her back. Saying later, later. Very odd because he's a good dad. And loves speaking to his children. I pushed and he eventually called her back, turns out that ex had given him a key to (their jointly owned) her house and asked him to feed the cat while away. He 'forgot' to mention this to me. Which may seem like a small issue but honesty is important to me, and there has been many issues with ex wife trying to split us up, refusing to engage in the divorce, and causing issues with the children telling them that I am not to be spoken to or listened too. Wasn't the Ow although knew him when they were ending their marriage because she hit him.

We spoke about this incident and I asked him is there anything else he needs to tell me. He said no. Life continued as normal. Well on Monday, she called again. I assumed to let the children speak to their dad and let him know they made it home safely. DP dropped the call saying, it's his mum. I had already seen the picture flash up on the phone, and knew it was her. He made an excuse about calling his mum back later and I pressed the issue because we had spent afternoon with his mum and wondered if thee was a problem as she's recently broken her foot.

So he calls his mum back and his mum sweats blue she didn't call him. He insists she had, and she eventually says maybe it's a pocket dial.

DP leaves shortly after to travel to see his brother. I leave it all evening, not saying I know it was ex who called and eventually confront him the next morning to which he starts to try to say it was his mum until I tell him that I saw the picture on his phone. He eventually comes clean but tells me the reason he lied is because she asked him to feed the. Cat and he was worried I'd be upset as its not appropriate him doing so.

This has been the strinf of a lot. I don't believe he wants her back but I think mentally he is still there. She says jump and he says how high. He's scared she'll take the boys away from him but won't sort a real arrangement out for contact incase it upsets her. Today he was meant to see the boys and she was being awkward and I told him to find out and stop fannying round her I wanted to know if we could go out for the afternoon or not. And he said he didn't want to upset her today because it would have been there wedding anniversary.

AIBU to want some space to sort my head out over this. Honesty is the most important thing to me and he knows this. Yet he lied about something so simple and stupid (apparently) that I'm questioning the bigger things.

We have spoken about moving in buy my senses are telling me hold out incase this gets worse. I feel like there is three people in my relationship. And when I talk to him he gets defensive, it becomes a mud slinging point scoring mess and nothinh changes.

He bends over backwards to help her, but seems to treat me like shit.

Advice please?

I

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Rockinmomma · 29/08/2018 19:29

What is your relationship like with her? Has it ever been tense? He might be afraid of causing an argument hence the dishonesty.
I’m only suggesting this because I’m in your DPs shoes. My OH has been very clear how he feels about my EXH, he doesn’t like how civil we are! So I have hid the odd message Confused

53rdWay · 29/08/2018 19:40

That is really weird behaviour. He not only lied to you that it was his mum phoning him, he also lied to his mum that she had!

I wouldn't assume that the cat thing is the truth either and not just another lie he told when you didn't believe the first one. But whatever it is, you can't trust somebody whose default option when faced with an awkward conversation is to lie to your face so he can avoid it. That's not good.

Zofloramummy · 29/08/2018 19:45

I would suspect that possibly he is still shagging his wife? He is defensive, lies and won’t soeak to her in your earshot. It isn’t about a cat surely?

Sounds dodgy as fuck to me and I’d probably tell him to sort himself out and get back to me if and when he is available for a proper relationship. In the meantime I’d find myself a nice bloke who didn’t behave like this.

ittakes2 · 29/08/2018 19:45

I think he feels like he’s stuck between you and his ex wife and his kids. I‘m sorry but I think maybe he should break up with you. He quite clearly feels he has to hide ex wife related things from you. He needs to be with someone who accepts his situation.

Zofloramummy · 29/08/2018 19:45

Speak

Bestseller · 29/08/2018 19:46

Either he's lying because he has something to hide or because you make it very difficult for him to tell you the truth when he has dealings with his ex. Neither is good and I think you are right to worry about the merits of moving in together.

Cloudyapples · 29/08/2018 19:48

I think even if he isn’t still involved, this isn’t going to work out. You’re clearly cautious and jealous of the ex - if you don’t trust him then it won’t work.

Rosetintedglass · 29/08/2018 19:58

Have you had any direct interaction with the ex does she know he in a serious relationship with you. Do the children know you are their dads significant other?
If not I'd say he's hedging his bets.
They are still married after all.

SandyY2K · 29/08/2018 20:21

I think your feelings about his Ex may be causing him to lie to you.

Do you really need to know if he's going to feed her cat?

He wants to be amicable with her, but fears that upsets you.

Maybe this isn't the right relationship for you. It comes across like you see her as a threat.

Are they actually divorced?

Aprilshowersinaugust · 29/08/2018 20:24

His priority is still her.
His loyalty is still to her.
He isn't prepared to change either unfortunately.
Ltb is my advice.

ClaryFray · 29/08/2018 20:55

I have no issues with her, she knows of me I have met the children, and they have met mine. I'm not jealous of the wife. She is manipulative and controlling, often threatens to not let him see the kids if she doesnt get her own way. She's been difficult since I've known him and I cant understand why he bends over backwards to do her favours that aren't related to his children.

It isn't even about the cat. If he'd have said she's asked me to feed the cat while she's away it's be a non issue. It's the fact he's lied, kept the lie going including other members of his family, over a cat. A fucking cat. Why lie about something so stupid.

He isn't divorced however it'd going through the courts, currently waiting on financial settlement I think.

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Rockinmomma · 29/08/2018 21:00

He probably bends over backwards to maintain a civil relationship for his kids. Just because she’s being that way doesn’t mean he should.

Gemini69 · 29/08/2018 21:01

Did he feed the Cat though ???

Rockinmomma · 29/08/2018 21:02

But if your reaction to him feeding her cat would be supportive, he shouldn’t be lying

BackWhenIWas4 · 29/08/2018 21:06

he calls his mum back and his mum sweats blue she didn't call him. He insists she had, and she eventually says maybe it's a pocket dial.

This alone would make me rethink a relationship. I couldn't trust a man who would do that.

Rosetintedglass · 29/08/2018 21:07

Sounds like hes overinvested in her.

Men always seem to claim their ex is being difficult about access so they have to run around after them but if its gone through the courts and only waiting on the financial settlement a custody agreement should have already been agreed making the need for that null and void. If there ever was a need for him to do so.

OutPinked · 29/08/2018 21:08

I think he hid it because he thought you would flip out if he told you. I doubt anything else is going on, he’s trying to keep you all happy and failing. Sounds like a bit of a wet lettuce tbh. He needs to get an access arrangement set in stone so she can’t mess him about anymore and if I were him, I’d be telling her to ask another relation or friend to feet her cat!

lifebegins50 · 29/08/2018 21:09

He bends over backwards to help her, but seems to treat me like shit

This is key and the fact that when you argue its destructive. It will not get better.

If its going through courts its not amicable.

Foodylicious · 29/08/2018 21:16

I think it's still too soon and raw for him maybe?

If they are not divorced yet and he is worried about access/custody I can understand him tiptoeing around her.

He obviously shouldn't have to, but if she is a controlling/abusive type I can understand his fears of her preventing him from spending time with his children.

He shouldn't be lying to you though.

I would absolutely hold off on the whole moving in together thing until his divorce and custody arrangements are sorted.

HeckyPeck · 29/08/2018 21:40

You never have to be with someone who treats you like shit OP

Also ringing up his mum and insisting she called him is fucking weird and unkind to his mum too.

Liars never change their spots in my experience. Sorry OP

dirtybadger · 29/08/2018 23:43

What he did to his mum would worry me most. How weird, mean and committed to the deception it is.

Also, his marriage broke up because she became physically abusive. Honestly I would have a problem with him still being controlled and manipulated by her even after long term separation and soon to be divorce. She has a real hold over him. If he was my friend I would point out he wasn't ready for another serious relationship right now.

Even if he did suspect you might not be pleased about the cat thing (I wouldn't be over the moon about it- surely she has other family or a friend or neighbour?)....the grown up thing would be to tell you and explain his position (ie I don't care what you think, you're being unreasonable I am going to do it) or ask you what you thought first if he wasn't sure about it. People trying to sneakily take the easy road and copping out can quickly become an irritating and immature habit.

I think asking for some time is reasonable, anyway.

TwentySmackeroos · 30/08/2018 00:25

My ex is always offering to do things for me, and —because I am stubborn— I always refuse. When I took the kids on holidays a while back, he offered to feed our pet. I said no as I hate him being in the house. Then my pet-feeding arrangement fell through and I had to ask him. I hated asking him, but as it’s the children’s pet and I had no option at the last minute, I asked him. Just presenting this as a scenario? My ex also has a girlfriend and I imagine it was presented to her as my insistence, or else denied/hidden altogether.

ThisIsNotMyRealName1 · 30/08/2018 04:18

OP - he treats you like shit = why you should be reconsidering the relationship. Then add in he's lying = even more reason to reconsider.

HereIgoagainxx · 30/08/2018 06:46

I'm sure if he was still sleeping with his wife, she's make sure you knew about it.

It's not good, but more likely he lied for a quiet life. In his own head it is feeding the cat but he thinks you will make it into a big issue. If you would then he probably feels justified lying to you.

I understand his fear around his kids as well. Can you imagine what that would be like with her calling all the shots? He needs that sorted asap so she doesn't have a hold over him

TheHulksPurplePanties · 30/08/2018 07:00

Wasn't the Ow although knew him when they were ending their marriage because she hit him.

So, unless that was just thrown into the conversation for funnzies, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say he's acting this way because he just got out of an abusive relationship and he's still scared/intimidated by his ex and also scared of pissing you off.

Having been in an abusive relationship myself, it can be really hard to move on from the bend over backwards to not piss them off mindset, and you do tend to carry on that mindset into the next relationship.

I don't think he's fucking her, I think he's fucking scared of her.

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