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OH no compromise with work - long!

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POPholditdown · 25/08/2018 09:53

I work nights OH works days, both FT. I spend time during the day looking after a relative in various ways (appointments, grocery shopping, general assistance). This isn’t everyday, there’s no set routine, it’s as and when but it is regular.

I have a shift premium which allows us to have some disposable income. If I went back to days I’d lose this and we’d be ‘breaking even’. (We need some extra as the house is old and we need to save improvements)

The thing is, working nights has really fucked with my mental health. There is no flexibility in my job. I end up working 3 on, 1 off, 6 on, 1 off, then 5 on, and on occasion have 2 nights off together. By the time it gets to my weekend off I’m dead.

If I went for a ‘basic’ day job, we’d need to make up for some my premium loss (depending on the job, I could possibly make up for half the premium in a another position). OH is absolutely not interested in another job, which could bring in some extra money, to even things out. As a compromise, I have offered to take most household duties, as I’d be much more rested working better hours.

The job he does is fairly easy to come by where we live, and there have been opportunities for him to do the exact same job, much better hours but just earn a little extra. But he says he wants to staywhere he is and it’s not fair on him to change. Part of me thinks that I’ve sacrificed for sometime now, in a job that is quite detrimental (put it this way,I made an error when I was exhausted, came close to dismissal and I actually felt relieved at the thought). I’m not asking him to sign his life away, I’m asking for a year or two compromise. He has some debt pre-me, and I have some in my name which I had to use for emergency house repairs. If our finances stayed more or less the same, we can get rid of this debt in 2-3 years. We’ll have more flexibility then to do what we want rather than what we need to.

I’m also interested in completing a qualification eventually, to be able to get a better paid job. This isn’t due to it being a ‘passion’ or a dream career, it’s because this is where the opportunities lie here, and would give us both much more flexibility in the future.

But this will take time and money. I’d probably be able to pay for this next year, but I can’t last another year+ on these shifts, with caring and a course on top (it’s a relatively cheap course so doable financially with careful planning)

I sometimes feel like just being selfish, taking the next available job, regardless of salary but I know we’d struggle quite a bit. I am currently toing and froing on applying for a one which is ideal in every way for right now, except for the pay.

To be clear, I’m not expecting to him to double his salary and walk in to a high flying career. I’m not expecting him to be the higher earner foreve, or to give up a career he’s worked years to get to. I’m just asking for some compromise so I can reclaim my MH. (My total salary is common for his job role) As an example, the same job he does has come up paying close to what I get now, he knows half the staff, it’s in a similar location so no extra travel. But no, he wont consider it. He ‘just doesn’t want to work there’.

I genuinely don’t know if my job/mh is affecting the way I’m looking at this situation. I don’t want this to be a case of ‘I’m suffering so you should too’, but I don’t think I’m asking that. I’m asking for a temporary sideways step, which I think would help a great deal.

We talk about having DC in the future too, and one of my main worries is how we’d cope if he’s not willing to consider earning a little extra, just to keep us afloat until I would be able to go back to work (in the ‘new’ career path, fingers crossed)

Just to add, we generally cooperate well in other areas, there aren’t many problems, it’s just that this is casting quite a big shadow on things.

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POPholditdown · 25/08/2018 09:59

I probably should have added the salaries for more perspective

I earn 22k, 17k of this is the basic salary. 16-18k is the standard for jobs I can go for at the minute. If I did the course etc, the minimum salary for this career tends to be 20k, and obviously increasing with experience/responsibility. I’d have the opportunity to get close to 30k I think after a short while in the industry.

My OHs current salary is arpund 17k, he could earn 20-23k doing his job for another company (there was one which paid upto 25k, even closer to home but he just didn’t go for it)

I’m really sorry for the length of this post!

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Aussiebean · 25/08/2018 10:11

So you are working hard to clear his debt and do up the house you both own, which will presumably increase in value, that he will get the benefit from?

And he is just working? Refusing to up his contribution or do what he can to help your mental health.

I think you need to consider both of your attitudes to money, how you see your contribution to relationships and if it is fair.

A large proportion of marriages break up because of money issues. You aren’t even there yet, and he is telling you how he handles pulling his weight in the relationship and how he views your health.

You need to think carefully about whether or not he is the one for you.

Btw, I get the shift thing. My db had a similar job for years. By the time he quit we were sure he was an alcoholic with drug use. Now he has his own business, has much better hours and has cut right down in everything. He is now ‘present’ if you see what I mean. So very proud of him.

NaomiNagata · 25/08/2018 10:15

At this point, I would be giving him an ultimatum. He pulls his weight and takes the higher paid job to clear his own debt or I'd be leaving.

Long term night shift is so detrimental for your health; you cannot keep doing it.

Honestly, fuck him. Move to the day shift and tell him that his debt is his alone and he needs to deal with it. Your debt which was incurred for home improvement is a joint one which he needs to help pay. Don't let him take advantage anymore.

LadyLapsang · 25/08/2018 10:17

I don't think you are being unreasonable to want to come off nights, but I don't think he is unreasonable to want to stay where he is. Do you earn similar amounts now and how would that change if you worked days? Of course another option is to cut your costs. If you worked days, how would that fit with your caring role?

POPholditdown · 25/08/2018 10:21

aussiebean
And he is just working?

This is how I feel, I felt bad saying ‘just working’ but that’s what it is.

There’s no discussion about it. He will say sometimes he will look for another job, but there’s no evidence of that. I’m on job sites everyday, and there have been plenty of opportunities.

I honestly don’t know what to do or think - does my right to be happier at work trump his?

I’ve said to him it would literally have to be until both short term debts are paid off and then we’ll both be ‘free’ to do what we want. But there’s just no budging on his part Sad

It’s really out of the ordinary, as I said before we generally cooperate well. Even money issues in other ways are dealt with fairly (large purchases for example) It’s just this one issue, which is a pretty big one for me.

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LadyLapsang · 25/08/2018 10:27

Cross post. So if you worked days you would earn the same as him. Could you sit down together to budget based on that? Your salaries both seem very low.

Aussiebean · 25/08/2018 10:31

It should be about compromise. Long term goals, short term goals and how you both work towards them.

You don’t have kids, so one being a sahp is not in consideration.

Looks like you have a lot of the mental load here. Including working out how to pay of HIS debts quick to benefit you both. He hasn’t thought about that beyond you work more hours.

You say you cooperate well in other areas. Are they the big things? Or just the little (what colour the couch is vs how to pay it off, which finance company to go through?) Etc

POPholditdown · 25/08/2018 10:35

you earn similar amounts now and how would that change if you worked days? Of course another option is to cut your costs. If you worked days, how would that fit with your caring role?

I posted our salaries after the OP as an afterthought.. If I went to days now I’d earn approx the sams as him which would cover our outgoings (bulls, debts, food, travel etc). Currently my options are to keep the premium on nights or earn around 17k on days, there’s no happy medium.

This would leave very little for wiggle room, which I appreciate is more than some people have. But the ‘extra’ money have is generally ear marked in other ways for the future.

The only ‘flexible’ outgoings we have is food and we generally shop in aldi and local butchers etc so the cheapest already. (Believe me, I’ve reworked the budget a million times to see if we could manage me on days, I’ve got the outgoings as low as they can be).

In terms of care, it would fit as most appointments can be planned in around normal office hours. Grocery shopping and general stuff can also be dealt with outside of these hours. The job I’m considering applying for now for example is very close to my relatives home, her GP and the hospital where she has some regular appointments.

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Hopoindown31 · 25/08/2018 10:37

If you are unhappy in your job you need to either spend time looking for better jobs for yourself or get training or education to improve your earnings potential. Spending time trying to get your OH to leave somewhere he is happy working is not a productive use of your time as a) it will just increase your financial reliance on him b) he may end up with a better paid job but with a shit boss or othet crap conditions that will be bad for his MH.

And no I don't think your right to be happier at work does trump his. But I don't see this as a zero sum game. You don't have tp make him unhappier so you cam be happier.

POPholditdown · 25/08/2018 10:41

You say you cooperate well in other areas. Are they the big things? Or just the little (what colour the couch is vs how to pay it off, which finance company to go through?) Etc

The job issue is probably the biggest thing at the moment. But we did work together on the best way to deal with some of the debt for example - we looked at different options and made a decision together.

He’ll keep in mind what work we need to do in the house, and if he comes across things (like say high end drill on a good offer) he’ll see with me if its a good idea to buy. That’s probably a small thing in comparison but it shows he is using his brain!

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MadeForThis · 25/08/2018 10:51

I would swap to days. It's not your sole responsibility to earn more. When you are both on £17k he might be more motivated to earn more.

POPholditdown · 25/08/2018 10:52

Hopoindown31

That’s what I’m trying to do. The qualification I want to go for would make things easier on both of us in the future, but I’ll really struggle with it now whilst I’m on these shifts. If I go to days then we’re unlikely to be able to afford the course any time soon (which would mean longer in the low paid job, and longer to pay off debts).

We are obviously a partnership, but at the expense of my MH, we’ve been able to do things we wouldn’t normally (financially)

I also see about him potentially not being happy in a new job.

The only option to not rock the boat is for me to stay on nights until debts are paid off and I’ve done the qualifications. I just may need a lot of coffee until we get there!

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Hopoindown31 · 25/08/2018 10:56

Then you are sacrifcing your well being for money. I really don't think pressuring your OH to leave a job he is happy in is a route to your happiness I'm afraid. All I can see is that he will resent you for it.

Believeitornot · 25/08/2018 10:57

Change jobs to days. Your health comes first. Then you can assess your relationship and why he won’t make changes.

POPholditdown · 25/08/2018 11:00

NaomiNagata and MadeForThis

I honestly feel like just taking a new job tbh, this isn’t an overnight thing I’ve been mulling it over for nearly a year! In that time we’ve managed to cut our spending by as much as we can. The only thing that’s stopping me is knowing that 90% our income will be tied up and there will be nothing for emergencies. But yes it may well change his mind, when we can’t afford to do certain things.

I think the main thing that makes it feel ‘unfair’ is that he has said he will look for jobs in the past. So in mind the struggle has only been temporary. But in the last few months there have been a lot of opportunities for him which he’s just refused. It kind of felt like he was just saying it to give me false hope.

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numptynuts · 25/08/2018 11:04

Put your physical and mental health first. I say this as a wife who's husband was on crap rotating 6 day week shifts and it ruined both of us. Work life balance was a joke.

We settled for less money and cut right back for the sake of our marriage!

JennyHolzersGhost · 25/08/2018 11:06

You say you worry that you’re being selfish but he is being selfish and seems supremely unworried about it ! What it comes down to is that you’re not operating as a team. In that situation you have to put yourself first and look after yourself as he clearly isn’t going to. Don’t stay in a job that makes you feel this bad. It’s not worth it, really.

JennyHolzersGhost · 25/08/2018 11:08

And yes, his debt is his debt and the house related debt is half his responsibility too. You pay off your half and leave him to figure out how to pay off all of his. Don’t get sucked into taking responsibility for these debts alone.

POPholditdown · 25/08/2018 11:10

He can get quite worried about money sometimes, so in the past when we’ve had nothing left at the end of the month because of unexpected bills. So I just think what will it be like if I’m earning the same as him, and we get into that position again?

I don’t think he’d openly blame me, but there’s every chance he could quietly resent me then too for giving up a bigger salary.

When I’ve told him what finances would look like, and whether he thinks I should go for X job when they come up, he just says ‘just see, it’s up to you’. We can’t live on ‘just see’! lol.

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JennyHolzersGhost · 25/08/2018 11:15

Well if he quietly resents you for taking a job that is needed for your mental health then he’s not the one for you.

Oh yeah I nearly forgot - don’t have kids with this guy til he’s grown up a bit. This situation would be far worse if you were that vulnerable.

Merryoldgoat · 25/08/2018 11:18

What are his future plans?

The issue for me would be having ambition where my partner didn’t.

You both earn around £17k - you are looking at ways to increase to around £30k over the next few years. What’s he doing? Just staying put?

What about when you are earning £35k, looking to get ahead. Is he going to get jealous? Is he going to be happy to be the SAHP because it makes more sense for you to go back to work? Would you be happy with that?

This relationship sounds to me like you have completely different long-term goals, or, rather, you haven’t talked about the destination.

My DH and I talk about our futures together a lot and how we’ll get there. Do you?

Hopoindown31 · 25/08/2018 11:19

You shouldn't be servicing his pre-relationship debt with your salary.

Mortgage is a different matter so I'm surprised that people are saying you only pay 50% and leave it at that. I earn the most in my household currently and I pay the most towarfs the mortgage as I am sure many couple do. Joint liability does not mean 50% responsibility for each partner.

Anyway this is a side issue.

You need to tell your partner that the nights are killing you and you need to change before it turns into major issue and this will mean less money coming in in the short term. The make the change. If he cares he will understand.

POPholditdown · 25/08/2018 11:21

Yes I’ve been holding off DC because of this. It’s just in every other way things are fine and he’s not selfish at all.

If I needed to spend 100% of our left over income on myself, he wouldn’t be bothered. Not to mention in other ways, I can leave a right mess sometimes when I’m rushing for work and he’s not bothered, he’ll have my bag ready by the door.

That’s why I just don’t know if I’m looking at this in the wrong way.

Maybe we see jobs in a different way, I see it as a means to an end he sees it as more important than that?

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RandomMess · 25/08/2018 11:23

I think it's clear you can continue with nights as you aren't coping. Tell him this and that you will have to switch to days and that you are really worried about the reduction in income.

Hand over the budget to him? Ask how you can make it work?

Stop doing all the thinking for him...

JennyHolzersGhost · 25/08/2018 11:33

Maybe (trying to be charitable here) when you bring up the idea of going for a day job and he says ‘it’s up to you’, maybe what he means is ‘we’ll make the finances work, do what you need to do’ - could it be that? A bit of miscommunication?

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