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Marriage/Co-Worker Issues - I need help :(

40 replies

MarriedChap · 08/08/2018 16:09

Hi All.

I am a guy and not a parent...so why am I here? Well, everytime I google my problem and see what people say, Mumsnet always comes up. I hope you can help because I'm going out of my mind.

Apologies if this (likely) turns into an essay....it's a little complicated so it's difficult to condense. Bear with me if you will.

Background:

I am a early 30s male, just passed my one year anniversary with my wife. Been together nearly five years in total. We met online. Have lived together for 4 years. Currently house hunting for our first home (no idea why this is relevant - like I said, bear with me...!).

I work in HR for a global company. I am one of the few men in the office.

SITUATION:

There are two issues at play here but they are obviously connected.

  1. My wife and I have been through some tough times over the last few years. Namely, the physical attraction for each other has dwindled. This was happening before we got married and we did address it and just kept saying that we will try more with each other and focus more attention on one another etc. My wife was mainly concerned - I agreed it was happening but was sure it would right itself eventually.

The problem still exists today. She works for the NHS so she's knackered at the end of a night and we both just sit on the sofa with our phones and watch crap TV and go to bed. There are other issues at play here but fundamentally, we have had sex maybe twice this year. TWICE. She is in her late 20s, me early 30s. This is not right.

Ironically, we are both happy. Though just not clearly fulfilled. I love my wife very much and she loves me. We are best friends and probably too close actually if that makes any sense. We both have very high sex drives, but i am worried that i just don't find her attractive anymore and vice versa. She's said as much to me the odd time. We've had the chat about 'how long do we give it', 'i don't want to waste my life/sexually prime years' etc. But we always make up and we always go back to being affectionate and...'happy'. Though it still lingers.

  1. CO-WORKER.

Shit.

I work with mainly women as mentioned. My wife has never worked in an office environment so doesn't understand the dynamic. Probably not relevant. I exclusively hang out with two girls. Or did. One of them has left recently. She was like my sister, we were/are very close but genuinely no attraction there, purely platonic and a very good friend. We were a trio - another girl who I have known since I joined (3.5 years). I have always fancied her. She is a very attractive, intelligent girl. We have always flirted. She has a boyfriend of 2 years. We exchange a lot of innuendo and sometimes openly discuss sexual acts (in general not with each other). We have a lot in common. She is an introvert and NOT a touchy feely person at all.

HOWEVER, on nights out over the last couple of years, we have 'held hands' at points. I say that in punctuation marks because it is actually just interlocking little fingers. E.g. last week in a taxi on the way home we just interlocked little fingers in the back of a taxi. She sometimes brushes against me (not ina sexual way). When we are out for lunch in town looking in shops we always get close when we are looking at something on a shelf, we get so close to each other that we can smelt each others perfume/aftershave sometimes. Not SO close as in people would look at us thinking that's too close but just close, you know?

Anyway. initially i thought this was just lust. This was filling the gap that is there in my marriage. But as I said, I literally see her every day. We sit at opposite ends of the office but have our customary 9am coffee break in the kitchen, go for lunch in the canteen and go for a walk EVERY DAY. just us. Then at home time we are usually the last in the office and walk out together and natter outside our cars. I sometimes purposefully pretend like I have work to do so I can leave with her and spend an extra 30 seconds with her.

I am ashamed of myself. I am not ashamed of finding someone else attractive, because we are human. But I am essentially emotionally cheating on my wife. Nothing has ever happened between us (in terms of other than hand holding - not that makes this any better), nor have we openly said we fancy each other. Essentially, I fear that I am in love with her or going that way, and that the lust i thought it was is actually something deeper. I think about her not just sexually but being with her in a relationship. I really like her.

My wife is an incredible woman. She is also attractive, intelligent and we do make each other happy to an extent. I jsut can't help think - we only live once. What if I am (actually BOTH of us) wasting our young lives when there could be something better?

I have no idea for sure if this coworker feels the same BUT I am certain there is something there. I know people can be nice and sometimes men can take that to mean something more, but I am SURE of it. The holding 'fingers' says enough.

I feel ill. I can't sleep. I can't eat because I have no idea what to do and I can't talk to anyone. I spoke to a counsellor yesterday and it didn't really help because it's up to me to decide.

I can't change jobs - you'll say I can, but I can;t (i wont explain any more but just trust me right now). She isnt going anywhere either i don't think. The thing is, I don't want to stop hanging out with her, I don't want the way we are to change. In truth, I do think about things progressing and at times I do want it to happen.

Do I tell this coworker? Do I shut it down? I don't want to do the latter. If this was a temporary infatuation i'd let it blow over, but in reality is has been 3 years building and it's not going anywhere. How do I know this coworker isn't the one I should be with?

As mentioned, I'm not proud of how I have acted. I just really need some help :(

P.S Sorry for any typos/grammar - just need to write this all out and get it down.

OP posts:
GreenTulips · 08/08/2018 16:17

I think you've checked out of your marriage and if this lady was single I don't think you'd hesitate

You need to be a grown up and either decide to work on your marriage or end it.

Then and only then do you approach the other lady.

You can't have both - so it's for you to decide not between the woman, but wether you want to continue in your marriage.

HelenaNightSoilCart · 08/08/2018 16:19

Short answer: sort your relationship issues out with your wife first before pursuing any sort of involvement with your colleague. Try counselling if you think it will help.

TBH at late 20s/early 30s you’re both too young to be in a non- sexual flatmate type marriage. You should both be fucking like bunnies and enjoying yourselves.

RatherBeRiding · 08/08/2018 16:26

You're married and she's in a relationship. Neither of you are behaving well.

You're marriage in all honesty sounds dead in the water. Is there any point continuing? If the spark has gone and all that's left is platonic friendship - is that enough for both of you for the next 50 odd years? You don't have children - you probably both need to ship out now before you drift aimlessly into having a family and THEN deciding it's not working.

The co-worker crush is probably the symptom of a marriage that's essentially over. And at this stage that is all it is really. You don't know each other and you're caught up in the lust and starry eyed stage. Well, you are. Gawd knows what she is playing at.

Address your marriage first and worry about other relationships when you are a single man.

sexnotgender · 08/08/2018 16:26

First things first do NOT cheat on your wife. Your ‘best friend’ as you call her deserves more respect than that.

You either tell your wife that you fancy your co worker and you’re leaving her.
Or you stay and work on your marriage and stay the hell away from your fancy lady, no linking little fingers and sniffing each other, how would you like your wife doing that with a guy at her work?
And as for your wife not understanding how an office works? Don’t be so bloody condescending! I’ve worked in an office for 5 years and managed to refrain from smelling my coworkers.

It’s a decision you need to make out of respect for the beautiful intelligent woman you made VOWS to love, honour and cherish.

You don’t get to go for a test drive with your colleague and see if it works out, and if it doesn’t well you’ve got your wife to fall back on.

Don’t be that guy.

Toohot12244 · 08/08/2018 16:32

The sex element of it all is a massive giveaway to be honest... I would say you both aren’t happy.
You are child free and should be enjoying the time together at the beginning of your marriage!
DH and I are knocking on 9 years, married for 4 with a DSC and DS. I am emergency services and he is office based but our sex life is so important. Even if its just a cheeky quickie ( tends to be with a toddler around!!) a few times a week- this keeps the intamicy going.
If you want the marriage to work then try and change your sex life-
Book a spontaneous weekend away, spa etc. A nice meal out...

What I wouldn’t do is ruin your marriage through an affair, don’t be that knobhead, which essentially you will become.
If your marriage has run it’s course then fair be it, split up.. be respectful and give it some time before trying it on with co-worker.
The affair you might have would tarnish your relationship with your wife forever.

Good luck!

eyycarumba · 08/08/2018 16:33

but I am SURE of it. The holding 'fingers' says enough.

I hold hands/entwine fingers with my close male friends on nights out all the time. Doesn't mean I want anything more from them. I also talk about sex explicitly to coworkers, probably because they're separate from my 'real' life. It's often said no one knows you more intimately than your co workers.

Has your colleague mentioned anything bad about her relationship to you? You don't say whether she's happy with her partner. Telling her anything risks your friendship and working relationship.

I think you're infatuated and looking to fill the void in your marriage. You sound like you and your wife are just friends, I'd sort things with her - be it a divorce - before thinking about making any type of move on your coworker.

Toohot12244 · 08/08/2018 16:36

I think you're infatuated and looking to fill the void in your marriage. You sound like you and your wife are just friends, I'd sort things with her - be it a divorce - before thinking about making any type of move on your coworker.

Totally agree with this

PurpleFlower1983 · 08/08/2018 16:40

You’re definitely involved in an emotional affair with this woman but please don’t cheat on your wife, you don’t want to be THAT bloke.

It does sound like you had checked out of the intimate relationship with your wife before you got married, perhaps you thought marriage would improve things? Probably time to call it a day before children are involved and then see what happens.

Wowthisisreal · 08/08/2018 16:42

OP I think this is a crush that you need to get over. Nothing more.

Sex does seem to be the main reason you are even considering this / justifying this. I would hope you married your wife on the basis of more than just sex and if you didn't then you probably shouldn't have married her.

I don't necessarily agree that because of your age you should be at it like rabbits. Each relationship is different and I think quite a few couples go through 'dry spells'. But if sex is important to you (and her) then this is something that you need to address if you want to.

I guess it depends how serious you are about making your marriage work. It sounds like you are not.

Annabelle4 · 08/08/2018 16:42

I hate to say it because it's massively unhelpful, but you clearly shouldn't have married each other. You're essentially living as housemates/friends, and you knew this before the marriage even happened.

Long term, you'll end up bitter and resenting the other.

Do you plan on having children together eventually?

Personally, I'd end this marriage while it's 'easy' (no kids). You're still so young, why waste years?

Don't be the man who cheats on his wife... I gather from your post that you're better/have more empathy than that.

MrsBlaidd · 08/08/2018 16:44

You sound like a man I work with...except everyone has definitely noticed what's going on with him and the colleague and there are numerous rumours going around about their levels of professionalism and personal integrity because they are both in relationships. Don't fool yourself that no one has noticed.

You either love and respect your wife or you don't. It really is as simple as that. If your wife isn't the right person for you then end it now.

Your feelings for co-worker can be filtered through once you've done the decent thing.

Otherwise this little infatuation will become an affair and you'll forever be that arsehole that cheated on your wife rather than someone who ended a relationship because it wasn't working.

MarriedChap · 08/08/2018 16:48

Hi All

Thanks you all for your comments. I definitely don't want to be that knobhead.

You're right - I need to work on my own relationship first. I just can't work out if it can be saved or not - if I knew I would be suddenly incredibly sexually attracted again to my wife then I would definitely make a go. We've just had this problem for a while now and nothing has changed.

We have become flatmates essentially which is terrible. It's not what either of us want.

Thank you again for taking the time to read my post. I know I have work out what I want.

eyycarumba - she has mentioned a few things about her partner being useless at various things and she has occasionally (not a lot but occasionally) mentioned the odd time she was pissed off with him.

OP posts:
Orange6904 · 08/08/2018 16:52

Please don't start anything (although could argue you have emotionally) before talking to your wife about things or leaving. I've just been through a similar situation and it was devastating. He didn't even talk to me, I would have been willing to work on things but I didn't even get the chance or see any of it coming. Please talk to her first.

eyycarumba · 08/08/2018 16:57

Well that just sounds like general moaning rather than her painting him in a bad light to you and that she's unhappy.
As other PPs have said, if it comes to leaving your wife, do it soon whilst you have no dependents and are still on amicable terms, the longer you leave it the more resentment will build. You need to sort an evening together and serious talk about where you see the relationship and whether either of you are willing to work on, give it a time frame - a few months, if it doesn't change, can't say you didn't try.

And stop spending so much one on one time with OW!

Orange6904 · 08/08/2018 16:59

You say nothing has changed but what have you both done to change it? If you both say it and then immediately go back to your same ways it won't get better. You both need to talk and come up with ways to see if things can get better or whether it would be better to part ways.

Diamondangel8 · 08/08/2018 17:14

Have you tried to work on your relationship? Organise some date nights and then initiating sex?

Stripeyzigzag · 08/08/2018 17:17

What eyycurumba aaid

MarriedChap · 08/08/2018 17:18

Sausage/Diamondangel

We have tried that a few times but it doesn't always happen (Sex) because we always eat too much and don't feel like it :-)

We do go on dates etc and occasionally we have had sex but more often than not it hasn't happened. I think we've become too 'close'. There is no mystery left and i think that's key. That's what we need back but not sure how...:-/

OP posts:
Diamondangel8 · 08/08/2018 17:22

Just drinks then! No food 😉

Diamondangel8 · 08/08/2018 17:23

You both need to have more fun and get rid of the phones

fuzzywuzzy · 08/08/2018 17:26

Wtf sitting around with fingers intertwined with a work colleague is intimate, I’d be deeply hurt if DP was doing that with a work colleague.

I wouldn’t behave like that with a male colleague either. It crosses a line.

OP I think it’s decision time for you, you need to either talk to your wife, maybe seek couples counselling if you want to give it one last try or amicably split.

You’re heading towards making this a horribly messy and hurtful split if you keep going down the route you’ve started.

Orange6904 · 08/08/2018 17:31

Do you have separate friends and hobbies? I think the mystery goes for everyone in a long term relationship. You have to actively work at it. Not saying stay with someone if there is nothing left but the spark needs to be kindled and you need time away from each other and all that.

bethy15 · 08/08/2018 17:49

You've only been with your wife three years, but say you don't want to give up this other woman due to it being three years in the making?

So only one year into your relationship.

You also say you are searching for your first home together, does this mean you don't currently live together now?

I agree with PP, you need to sort out your marriage one way or another. You need to either decide you want to work on it, or go your separate ways. You have only had sex twice, but you say you BOTH have high sex drives. Are you sure? Does she also have a high sex drive? If you both did, I just can't see only twice this year being right.

If you are going to work on your marriage then you need to stop the drinks with her, the finger holding (you're not in a teen romcom) and the walks together everyday (WTF?) and go home when work finishes to your wife.

loveyoutothemoon · 08/08/2018 17:56

You need to talk to your wife about this other woman-be honest! She might be expecting it (she probably knows anyway...woman just do. I've been on here long enough to know that!).

MrStarkIDontFeelSoGood · 08/08/2018 17:56

I think regardless of your coworker, you should end your marriage. You no longer love one another in a sexual way, and your eye is roving. If you end it properly now you can remain friends and move on. If you stay like this it will end acrimoniously, doing this right should be your focus right now.