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Marriage/Co-Worker Issues - I need help :(

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MarriedChap · 08/08/2018 16:09

Hi All.

I am a guy and not a parent...so why am I here? Well, everytime I google my problem and see what people say, Mumsnet always comes up. I hope you can help because I'm going out of my mind.

Apologies if this (likely) turns into an essay....it's a little complicated so it's difficult to condense. Bear with me if you will.

Background:

I am a early 30s male, just passed my one year anniversary with my wife. Been together nearly five years in total. We met online. Have lived together for 4 years. Currently house hunting for our first home (no idea why this is relevant - like I said, bear with me...!).

I work in HR for a global company. I am one of the few men in the office.

SITUATION:

There are two issues at play here but they are obviously connected.

  1. My wife and I have been through some tough times over the last few years. Namely, the physical attraction for each other has dwindled. This was happening before we got married and we did address it and just kept saying that we will try more with each other and focus more attention on one another etc. My wife was mainly concerned - I agreed it was happening but was sure it would right itself eventually.

The problem still exists today. She works for the NHS so she's knackered at the end of a night and we both just sit on the sofa with our phones and watch crap TV and go to bed. There are other issues at play here but fundamentally, we have had sex maybe twice this year. TWICE. She is in her late 20s, me early 30s. This is not right.

Ironically, we are both happy. Though just not clearly fulfilled. I love my wife very much and she loves me. We are best friends and probably too close actually if that makes any sense. We both have very high sex drives, but i am worried that i just don't find her attractive anymore and vice versa. She's said as much to me the odd time. We've had the chat about 'how long do we give it', 'i don't want to waste my life/sexually prime years' etc. But we always make up and we always go back to being affectionate and...'happy'. Though it still lingers.

  1. CO-WORKER.

Shit.

I work with mainly women as mentioned. My wife has never worked in an office environment so doesn't understand the dynamic. Probably not relevant. I exclusively hang out with two girls. Or did. One of them has left recently. She was like my sister, we were/are very close but genuinely no attraction there, purely platonic and a very good friend. We were a trio - another girl who I have known since I joined (3.5 years). I have always fancied her. She is a very attractive, intelligent girl. We have always flirted. She has a boyfriend of 2 years. We exchange a lot of innuendo and sometimes openly discuss sexual acts (in general not with each other). We have a lot in common. She is an introvert and NOT a touchy feely person at all.

HOWEVER, on nights out over the last couple of years, we have 'held hands' at points. I say that in punctuation marks because it is actually just interlocking little fingers. E.g. last week in a taxi on the way home we just interlocked little fingers in the back of a taxi. She sometimes brushes against me (not ina sexual way). When we are out for lunch in town looking in shops we always get close when we are looking at something on a shelf, we get so close to each other that we can smelt each others perfume/aftershave sometimes. Not SO close as in people would look at us thinking that's too close but just close, you know?

Anyway. initially i thought this was just lust. This was filling the gap that is there in my marriage. But as I said, I literally see her every day. We sit at opposite ends of the office but have our customary 9am coffee break in the kitchen, go for lunch in the canteen and go for a walk EVERY DAY. just us. Then at home time we are usually the last in the office and walk out together and natter outside our cars. I sometimes purposefully pretend like I have work to do so I can leave with her and spend an extra 30 seconds with her.

I am ashamed of myself. I am not ashamed of finding someone else attractive, because we are human. But I am essentially emotionally cheating on my wife. Nothing has ever happened between us (in terms of other than hand holding - not that makes this any better), nor have we openly said we fancy each other. Essentially, I fear that I am in love with her or going that way, and that the lust i thought it was is actually something deeper. I think about her not just sexually but being with her in a relationship. I really like her.

My wife is an incredible woman. She is also attractive, intelligent and we do make each other happy to an extent. I jsut can't help think - we only live once. What if I am (actually BOTH of us) wasting our young lives when there could be something better?

I have no idea for sure if this coworker feels the same BUT I am certain there is something there. I know people can be nice and sometimes men can take that to mean something more, but I am SURE of it. The holding 'fingers' says enough.

I feel ill. I can't sleep. I can't eat because I have no idea what to do and I can't talk to anyone. I spoke to a counsellor yesterday and it didn't really help because it's up to me to decide.

I can't change jobs - you'll say I can, but I can;t (i wont explain any more but just trust me right now). She isnt going anywhere either i don't think. The thing is, I don't want to stop hanging out with her, I don't want the way we are to change. In truth, I do think about things progressing and at times I do want it to happen.

Do I tell this coworker? Do I shut it down? I don't want to do the latter. If this was a temporary infatuation i'd let it blow over, but in reality is has been 3 years building and it's not going anywhere. How do I know this coworker isn't the one I should be with?

As mentioned, I'm not proud of how I have acted. I just really need some help :(

P.S Sorry for any typos/grammar - just need to write this all out and get it down.

OP posts:
lifebegins50 · 08/08/2018 18:04

Have you considered that if you got with this woman you would feel the EXACT same in 3 years time.

It could be that as soon as you get into the comfort zone of a relationship, no long unsure of their feelings or no need to chase the attraction wanes.

What if your wife was being sexually pursued by another man, how would you feel?

EllaEllaE · 08/08/2018 18:30

Ok first up -- don't go there with your coworker. You already know it's a bad idea.

The deeper issue is that it sounds like you love your wife very much, but you are not having sex and this is something you both find problematic. This is super common. It can also be solved. I would very much recommend you check out Esther Perel's books "Mating in Captivity" and "State of Affairs".

The first one is about exactly the problem you are describing with your wife -- you love each other, but the attraction is not there and there's always a reason to not have sex. Read it together, discuss it, figure out what you want to to. (Perel also has a great podcast, btw, which you might want to listen to together and use as a starting point for your conversation.)

Good luck!

EllaEllaE · 08/08/2018 18:31

opps, typo: "what you want to do."

Cricrichan · 08/08/2018 18:40

As everyone else says, sort out what you want with your marriage. If you're both so young and attractive, I don't see how you've not wanted each other sexually for years. You sound more like friends.

I wouldn't hold hands with a man I wasn't interested in (unless very drunk).

user7680 · 08/08/2018 18:44

Since you are good friends with your wife sit down and discuss if you both think your marriage has a future. Personally I think once the passion is gone there’s no coming back. ESP as young as you are. You’re marriage has run its course. However if you’re not sleeping, eating etc thinking about the colleague, you need to know if she feels the same about you? How? I don’t know. Think about it.

Bigblue1970 · 08/08/2018 18:58

It sounds like your infatuation with the work colleague is tarnishing your view Of your marriage. You may not be having an 'affair' but you can't see through the fog.

My husband was where you are now but rather than work on us he got deeper and deeper into the affair until she forced the issue and I found out. My heart will NEVER repair itself so please do not do that to another human, especially one you love.

In my case, my husband was also working with her, he ended it to try and work on us but she hasn't been so keen to let go. He deeply regrets it but the damage is done and it's hard to come back from. Our sex life had dwindled but that is no excuse. You can always work on that but to find someone you really connect with is harder. It maybe that this co-worker is just saying what you want to hear, or you are seeing what you want to see and the reality of being with her isn't a patch on what you have at home. Wake up and don't be like so many others. Walk away the 'affair' and put in some work into the marriage. Remember the good things you loved about her and realise maybe they are still there but you need to look for them.

scrabbled01 · 08/08/2018 19:01

If you're both so attractive and have high sex drives and your wife is an incredible woman, why haven't you had sex for so long? Sounds like someone isn't being honest or you're not being honest with yourself.

If it's the excitement that you miss then bear in mind you will have this problem in any long term relationship or marriage.

Pluckedpencil · 08/08/2018 19:06

This is a crush, and you need to get as far away as possible from it. I know it doesn't feel like it, but it is. You sound like a nice guy actually, and if you take this any further you are going to be in a lot of hot water and miserable. I have never forgiven myself for cheating on my very lovely long term boyfriend. It makes me wince even though I married the person I cheated on him with and who is right for me, even though it's ten years on. It makes you a bad person, you feel the repercussions for a long long time.
You need to distance yourself physically, could you move offices? Find an excuse to be in another part of the building? Give yourself a deadline to work on your marriage? If it's more than a crush, she'll still be there in a year. Personally, I'd move jobs, because it's too much temptation. Have you looked for another job genuinely?

ManginoBambino · 08/08/2018 19:27

I don't think this is genuine but for MN traffic. Prof journo at work

RatRolyPoly · 08/08/2018 19:43

Op, let me tell you so truths here. Your marriage is gone and it will not get better. You're too young and it's too soon for the spark to be gone, and you haven't even encountered any of life's big stressor yet like kids, bereavement or buying a house.

Your counsellor will of course tell you the decision is in your hands, and that's making you um and ah. I'm not your counsellor. Your marriage is gone and every day you pontificate is a wasted day. Let me take this out of your hands and make this very easy for you. It's over. Believe it. Accept it. Now stop fucking around, be a man and do what you need to do.

You know I'm right.

Pluckedpencil · 08/08/2018 22:56

Dont think I explained myself well. What I mean is: even if the other person turns out to be amazing and your soul mate like my dh, it doesn't make what you do to your wife any less shitty. So if you are really so convinced this girl could be the one, you'd do better to separate from your wife and tell her it's really over, then work from there. Anyway, if you like this person so much more, your wife clearly isn't right for you.

MudCity · 08/08/2018 23:10

Prioritise your wife. Show interest. Talk with her. Spend time together. Do not spend time with your colleague.

You are heading for a very messy situation if you continue as you are and you will regret it in the future.

Stop right now.

MarriedChap · 09/08/2018 10:29

Thanks all. I really do appreciate the comments - even the hard, home truths. I need to face it up to my situation, I just never expected it to get to this point.

Fortunately my co-worker will be off for three weeks from next week so hopefully it will clear my mind a bit. I'm going to really put some time in with my wife - have already sorted some days out etc for next couple of weeks. I'll give her the time she deserves and also talk to her about how I'm feeling. I'll let you know how it goes.

I never wanted to be 'that guy', despite what you may think, I am not that kind of a person. My previously relationship was torn apart (not a marriage but) because my long term girlfriend was sleeping with my best friend for 6 months behind my back. I know how it feels and that last thing I want to do is to make anyone feel like I did. I know I'm a bit of a hypocrite because of the emotional cheating I've already done. My will power slipped and I'm ashamed of that. All I want is for both of us to be happy and do whatever we need to do to resolve the situation, whatever that ends up being.

Thank you.

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RatRolyPoly · 09/08/2018 11:46

Can I give you some advice OP? Give yourself a deadline. Put a date in the diary by which time if nothing's changed you call it a day. Put your absolute all into it before then, as you've said you're going to do, but make sure you know what you want to achieve in that time - actual, measurable changes - and if you haven't achieved them by that date, get out.

I say this as someone who was in a very similar marriage at a very similar age and I was forever thinking, "if things are still like this at Christmas, I'll know it's unsalvageable". Christmas would come and go and I'd think, "I'll just give it 'til my birthday", then it would be Christmas again, then my birthday.... And in the end the years rolled by (almost 3) before I finally woke up and realised I hadn't enjoyed 3 years of my life, and I'd spent the whole time wishing and waiting for it to be better.

Good luck!

Chamonix1 · 09/08/2018 12:24

Yeah you need to leave your wife. As you said you don't want whatever this is with the other women to end. That's your only option

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