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Please help me make sense of this confusing experience

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LeavingLasVegasForGood · 10/07/2018 12:48

There is a man I know on the periphery of my social circle who I see out and about occasionally. I am single. He is married. There is an attraction that is fairly clear to both of us.

About a year or two ago he asked if I wanted to go for a coffee. I said absolutely not, that it was not appropriate for us to be alone together, and that I was not interested in having anything to do with a man who was married.

Fast forward to the last couple of months and I have seen him around a couple of times in a group social setting. I have been polite, friendly, but with clear boundaries. I feel he is still attracted to me (he is bad at hiding it) but as far as I'm concerned the line has been drawn and everyone knows where they stand.

The last time I saw him though, he came to hug me goodbye. There were lots of other people around (whom he was also hugging goodbye) so I politely returned the hug and went to turn back to the group of friends I had been talking with, who were about a metre away.

He took my hand though, and said it was rare for him to feel this kind of connection with someone. I was very surprised as I believed I had made myself clear a long time ago and all had been put to bed. In fact I was so surprised I just kind of changed the subject and didn't even acknowledge what he'd said. I should have been more assertive and told him to go away but I was knocked off balance.

Then he hugged me again, but this time as I went to step away he kept one arm around my waist so I couldn't do so fully. Then he just touched me with his other hand, brushing over my stomach from the top of my pubic bone to just under my breasts. I was so stunned, I froze, and then just turned away and began talking to my friends as though nothing had happened. It wasn't until I got home that what had happened fully hit me. I didn't want him to do that: I wasn't expecting it, I didn't ask for it, and I didn't consent to it.

It's a week later though and my head is a mess. I realise this sort of thing happens to women all the time and in the great scheme of things it was not that serious - he didn't hurt me. But I feel so confused. Did he think I wanted him to do that, and if so, why? I thought I'd made myself clear. Is this just something he does? Am I giving out the wrong signals? I am attracted to him which makes it all feel so confusing. But just because I feel attraction doesn't mean I want anything to happen (I don't.)

I messaged him and said this was never to happen again; that I had already told him I did not want to pursue anything with anyone who was married and I still don't, so not to confess his feelings to me and never touch me again. He has apologised profusely. I still feel confused and weirdly guilty though. And shocked. I just can't understand why he would do this. He claims to like and respect me.

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WasFatNowThin · 10/07/2018 13:26

If he's done that, he certainly doesn't respect you.
You need to TRY and put this behind you and move on, oh, and stay away from the creep!

Cricrichan · 10/07/2018 14:25

Just be glad he's married to someone else! What a sleazeball

AnastasiaVonBeaverhausen · 10/07/2018 14:34

He know you don't want him. He just can't take no for an answer. It's horrible to be touched against your will particularly when there is sexual intent behind it. I'm really sorry he did this. He sounds like a total fucking arsehole and you are commendable for giving him short shrift despite being attracted to him yourself.
You've been clear, he hasn't listened and felt he could do what he wanted anyway. It's a vile way to make women feel powerless and if these men realised how horribly unattractive it is I like to think they'd stop.
Sorry again, you must feel very mixed up, but please don't take any blame. He's just a bell end.

LeavingLasVegasForGood · 10/07/2018 14:37

Well I'm not glad for her, but yes, I suppose so.

I can't imagine I'm the first woman he's done this to.

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MiniTheMinx · 10/07/2018 14:50

Who knows if you're the first or last women he tries this with. If you don't want him to touch uou, step away next time. Make it obvious, even embarrassing. He won't try again if he feels embarrassed.

However, this 'obvious attraction' that you are aware of works both ways. Whatever you have said its still 'obvious' to him that you are attracted to him. If it is so obvious to you why is it you think it isn't to him. He sounds well practiced (not always a bad thing) so why assume he's incapable of reading your body language.

So what to do, no messaging, no texts, no conversation, no pleading, no contact whatsoever. And avoid him.

How to deal with him when you see him? From today tell yourself he is a sleaze and why would you fancy a sleaze. Go find someone to distract you, that works wonders too!

LeavingLasVegasForGood · 10/07/2018 15:00

I don't have any contact with him and never have, other than messages over Facebook to say no to coffee (over a year ago) and don't touch me again (a week ago). I don't have his number, I don't text, I don't see him outside of coincidental bumping into him (because we are on the outside of eachothers social circles.)

Does it matter that he knows I'm also attracted? I've stated my position clearly and maintained appropriate boundaries. You can't just help yourself to touching someone on the basis of: I know she wants it really, no matter what she says?

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Disquieted1 · 10/07/2018 15:01

Let's be clear: he sexually assaulted you. Avoid this amoral predator at all costs.

AnastasiaVonBeaverhausen · 10/07/2018 15:01

If you don't want him to touch uou, step away next time.

Are you taking the piss?

AMAWriter · 10/07/2018 15:02

Surely you're not still attracted to him?

Gottokondo · 10/07/2018 15:07

Take screenshots of the coffee date and the text to not touch you and his reaction. Save them on your computer and save a print. Then text him that if he ever contacts you, talks to you or touches you in any way you will send all evidence to his wife.

FrogFairy · 10/07/2018 15:10

The sleazy bastard thought that you would melt at his touch and yield to his charms.

His actions would kill any feelings stone dead for me and he would get short shrift from me in the future.

LeavingLasVegasForGood · 10/07/2018 15:13

AMAWriter I feel a strange mixture of shock, disgust, fear, and yes... attraction still. I feel really fucked up about it.

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MiniTheMinx · 10/07/2018 15:34

No, I'm not taking the piss. Why do women think they should acquiesce and submit to this crap. Be more assertive. And no I'm not victim blaming. It's quite possible to start d back when someone leans forward to hug you. Ive done it plenty of times because I don't feel people have a right to hug me.

LeavingLasVegasForGood · 10/07/2018 16:47

A freeze response doesn't equal submission.

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springydaff · 10/07/2018 16:48

Yuk.

Revolting bastard.

Triple yuk.

Don't be fucked up. He's a predator and there's a kind of raw sexuality about that (I suppose). He is absolutely revolting and has sexuality assaulted you, emotionally crowded and forced you. Yuk yuk yuk.

TimeIhadaNameChange · 10/07/2018 17:00

Don't suppose his initials are MS by any chance?

I went through similar many years ago. Unfortunately, the people I told treated it as a joke. But behaviour like that is not amusing.

Take care of yourself and do your best to stay away from him.

LeavingLasVegasForGood · 10/07/2018 17:05

No, not MS. Think these men are ten a penny tbh.

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AnastasiaVonBeaverhausen · 10/07/2018 17:07

A freeze response doesn't equal submission

Absolutely, and to suggest otherwise is victim blaming. It's like saying "well why didn't you fight them off?" to an individual who's been raped. Sometimes there is third response which is neither fight nor flight but Freeze. It's a remarkably common reaction for those who have been subjected to a sexual assault and is nothing to be ashamed of, nor something to be question. You do not know how you will react until you have been in that situation. Trust me. It's all very well to flippantly say "be more assertive" but it can be a very different story when you are being inappropriately touched. If you find that you are able to express anger and move and call them out on it, so much the better. But to assume it's the same for everyone is wrong and damaging.

expatia · 10/07/2018 17:14

@MiniTheMinx OP said she tried to step away and he had grabbed her so she couldn't fully.

Yes you are victim blaming and apparently doing so after not even bothering to read the post fully.

OP - do not listen to that. This is not your fault, it is not your responsibility to stop him doing something so aggressive and inappropriate. Just because you are attracted to him doesn't mean you are his for the taking. I have been through similar in very similar circumstances too and it is very confusing. Perhaps it may help to talk things through with a counsellor?

LeavingLasVegasForGood · 10/07/2018 17:26

Thank you everyone. I appreciate the opportunity to chew this out. I keep feeling that it was nothing really and can't understand why it's going round and round in my head. The feelings of attraction add a sense of confusion, but I know I did not want that to happen. Nor did I see it coming and it was over before my brain had really processed what was happening. I just stood there like an idiot and didn't say a word. Just turned back around to my friends like nothing had happened Sad

I haven't been able to focus well all week - I've things to do and no motivation.

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AnastasiaVonBeaverhausen · 10/07/2018 17:37

Guys like this put a stain on men in general. Not only was he willing to instigate a relationship with you behind his wife's back (and the ease with which he did shows you would not be the first), but he was happy to ignore your ownership of your body and just do what he wanted. He's a complete turd and hopefully once the dust has settled on this incident for you a bit, you will see that and any feelings of attraction will die.

Thingsdogetbetter · 10/07/2018 17:48

Unfortunately when you said you won't go there because he was married, he heard that you were interested and the only issue was the married bit. Then he thought that pushing it a bit would be enough to get you to overcome the married issue. I find it best to straight out say not interested, without have to justify why. My polite justifications always seem to heard as a 'no, but yes really' and encourage persistance rather than backing off.

springydaff · 10/07/2018 19:27

What he did to you was like your body is his property. How dare he.

Your confusion and sense of trauma is proof positive that you were assaulted. Your reaction shows a sense of violation.

LeavingLasVegasForGood · 10/07/2018 22:33

I can see how out of order he's been. It's hard to square that with the guy that everyone loves (he's one of those.)

Where to go from here? Just leave it and avoid him as much as possible, I suppose.

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Gruffalina72 · 10/07/2018 23:04

I'm really sorry he did this to you. Your shock and distress comes across, and if it were me I'd feel the same. I would have been frightened if that had happened to me.

I'm not sure if this is helpful or not to say, but your comment on this happening to other women so effectively you have no right to your feelings makes me want to say it. I've experienced a so-called "serious" assault (to use the term the police use), and I would still be affected by the assault you went through. I still feel compassion for you and am sorry it happened to you. I don't think it's acceptable or something you should have had to quietly put up with. I read your post, got to the part where you describe what he did and my first thoughts were "oh no, that's awful, I really hope she's ok". My heart sank for you.

Either way, it doesn't matter whether "worse things have happened to other women" because you are not those women. You are you, and this bad thing has happened to you. You feel whatever you feel, and you are allowed to have those reactions. It's not top trumps, where your experiences don't matter because somewhere in the world something worse happened to somebody else.

It wasn't nothing. It's understandable you're experiencing a sense of being traumatised, especially as he held you still so you couldn't get away. Being unable to do anything to influence a situation tends to cause some degree of trauma, whether it's because our brain activated the freeze response or because somebody or something else prevented us acting.

It was a sexual assault. So it's understandable you'd feel shocked and violated. You could report it if you wanted to, although I appreciate you probably don't. But I'm mentioning this as something for you to bear in mind when you're beating yourself up for being distressed over "nothing". It was not nothing.

I think you're right in the way you've handled this. My only suggestion really would be to perhaps try and work on being more compassionate towards yourself while you come to terms with it. You've seen our responses, and you know how you'd respond if it happened to a friend, so can you try and apply the same to yourself?

Just be as kind, reassuring, and gentle with yourself as you can. It's understandable and ok that you're feeling the way you are. Remind yourself of that.

I've just been to check their website to make doubly sure before I suggested it, and Rape Crisis do provide support to anybody who's experienced any kind of sexual violence. If you continue to struggle they are there for you. Don't feel you can't contact them or ask for support, especially if you continue to struggle for a longer period.

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