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Please help me make sense of this confusing experience

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LeavingLasVegasForGood · 10/07/2018 12:48

There is a man I know on the periphery of my social circle who I see out and about occasionally. I am single. He is married. There is an attraction that is fairly clear to both of us.

About a year or two ago he asked if I wanted to go for a coffee. I said absolutely not, that it was not appropriate for us to be alone together, and that I was not interested in having anything to do with a man who was married.

Fast forward to the last couple of months and I have seen him around a couple of times in a group social setting. I have been polite, friendly, but with clear boundaries. I feel he is still attracted to me (he is bad at hiding it) but as far as I'm concerned the line has been drawn and everyone knows where they stand.

The last time I saw him though, he came to hug me goodbye. There were lots of other people around (whom he was also hugging goodbye) so I politely returned the hug and went to turn back to the group of friends I had been talking with, who were about a metre away.

He took my hand though, and said it was rare for him to feel this kind of connection with someone. I was very surprised as I believed I had made myself clear a long time ago and all had been put to bed. In fact I was so surprised I just kind of changed the subject and didn't even acknowledge what he'd said. I should have been more assertive and told him to go away but I was knocked off balance.

Then he hugged me again, but this time as I went to step away he kept one arm around my waist so I couldn't do so fully. Then he just touched me with his other hand, brushing over my stomach from the top of my pubic bone to just under my breasts. I was so stunned, I froze, and then just turned away and began talking to my friends as though nothing had happened. It wasn't until I got home that what had happened fully hit me. I didn't want him to do that: I wasn't expecting it, I didn't ask for it, and I didn't consent to it.

It's a week later though and my head is a mess. I realise this sort of thing happens to women all the time and in the great scheme of things it was not that serious - he didn't hurt me. But I feel so confused. Did he think I wanted him to do that, and if so, why? I thought I'd made myself clear. Is this just something he does? Am I giving out the wrong signals? I am attracted to him which makes it all feel so confusing. But just because I feel attraction doesn't mean I want anything to happen (I don't.)

I messaged him and said this was never to happen again; that I had already told him I did not want to pursue anything with anyone who was married and I still don't, so not to confess his feelings to me and never touch me again. He has apologised profusely. I still feel confused and weirdly guilty though. And shocked. I just can't understand why he would do this. He claims to like and respect me.

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LeavingLasVegasForGood · 10/07/2018 23:13

That was a really kind and generous message Gruffalina, thank you. I'm sorry for what you went through.

I'm not going to go to the police. And say what? He touched my stomach? But I can try and be a bit more gentle with myself rather than feeling frustrated that I can't just brush it off, like you say.

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justthisguy · 10/07/2018 23:27

Where to go from here? Just leave it and avoid him as much as possible, I suppose.

If you value your sanity and self-esteem, absolutely, undeniably, yes. Block him on Facebook Messenger immediately. Just keep very far away.

You are being played. Believe me, I'm a guy, I know. He is playing mind games with you invoke this very state in order to lower your resistance to his advances. If your confused and he's persistent he believes he will get his way.

"It was rare for him to feel this kind of connection"? Please. If I went hunting I suspect I could find the exact "player" website that taught him to use that very line. There are websites that teach this stuff you know. Almost word for word what you described. Teaching Derren Brown-esque techniques on how to psychological mind-funk vulnerable women so you can bulldoze them into bed.

That's why he did it. Because he thinks if he just keeps you confused and just forces himself upon you, eventually you'll yield and he'll get into your pants.

And this is a married man FFS.

Don't blame yourself for being attracted. It's part of the manipulation. The question is: do you want to be a victim? Or do you want to be the one who sees through his crap and refuses to be a pawn in his game?

justthisguy · 10/07/2018 23:29

Just to add: be strong. The fact you're posting here shows you are. You are worth more than this. Believe that.

Blueisland · 10/07/2018 23:34

I think you’re overthinking this. He sounds like a creep so just keep a good distance from him and move on. He is nothing.

HeebieJeebies456 · 11/07/2018 01:41

If I went hunting I suspect I could find the exact "player" website that taught him to use that very line

Derek Rake? Grin

Arum51 · 11/07/2018 01:56

What justthisguy said. This is a "move". Note he didn't grab your arse or anything so obviously sexual-assaulty. It was supposed to 'signal' dominance, and possession, and sexy tummy butterflies to your little ladybrain. I wish there was a puking emoji on here, we really need one!

The guy is repulsive. Run for the hills.

MrBig1 · 11/07/2018 06:39

I dont think it amounts to sexual assault!
I think you shouldnt have told him you are attracted. Its like dangling the carrot! Like you are open to persuasion or he just needs to persist a bit more. There was no need to tell him that. He is a disgusting husband and i bet he is like that with other women. I would also avoid any physical contact and forward the messages to his wife..in fact why didnt you do so a year ago?! To a sick slimey guy like him you are keeping this secret mutual inticing attraction.. do you not see how by not telling his wife, letting him hug you twice and then acting normal and telling him you fancy him.. your dont touch me message is like those who cheat feel guilty and then ask to end things only to make it more inticing. It makes you sound like you had cold feet or became worried later on but liked it at the moment and that all he needs to do is just try more subtly or better.

Op i dont think you are at fault i honestly dont but i also think you could do with strengthening your boundarieswith men like that because they are so arrogant and delusional they dont pay attention to gentle polite let downs you need to be blunt.

I bet you when you see him again he will act all hurt and try to approach you to apologise or clear the air. He will make you feel like its your fault. Thatswhy with them men you neededto tell the wife as soon as you got that message.

MrBig1 · 11/07/2018 06:42

Woah hold on he is still on your facebook?! Why the fuck?! Why didnt you block him first time around? Are you enjoying the flattery and attention?

TiltedTowers · 11/07/2018 06:43

He thinks it's only a matter of time before he hooks you so don't text him to EXPLAIN why you can't get in to a thing with him. Just ignore him.
He sounds dangerous.

LeavingLasVegasForGood · 11/07/2018 07:52

Let me be clear: I am not having cosy little chats with him about how much we fancy eachother! He asked me out well over a year ago, and I sent one message saying no, I didn't feel it was appropriate. Why didn't I block him? Because I thought it was a fairly minor thing that would soon blow over and I wanted to keep on decent terms, honestly. We were going to see eachother around - I just thought it was easier that way.

Fast foward to what happened recently. Why haven't I told his wife??? Because I don't want to be the cause of a massive bomb going off in someones life. Because I'm likely to be blamed and/or disbelieved. And because I'm still processing what happened.

I'm not in touch with the man! I messaged him to say it could never happen again; he apologised; I said ok (I don't know why I said ok, it was the day after and I was confused, it definitely isn't ok) and that was that. Done. We haven't spoken since and we won't either.

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MyOtherProfile · 11/07/2018 09:15

If he ever tried a trick like that again call him out on it. In public. Loud and clear. Firmly say ive told you before to keep your hands off me and let other people hear it too.

springydaff · 11/07/2018 10:09

What he did was chilling.

It wasn't a small thing.

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