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Destroyed my marriage and dont know how to fix it

52 replies

Bleeper · 10/07/2018 11:00

First time poster in need of advice, different perspectives, apologies if it rambles I may never get the courage up to post again. And for those that take the trouble to read and comment thank you.

Im in my early 50s and married to a wonderful woman the same age, we have been together since our late teens and have 2 grown up children that have flown the nest.

In the first year of our marriage I had an affair with a work collegue, with counselling and the amazing forgiveness shown me by my wife we got over it and moved on.

Fast forward through 30 years of mostly happy marriage, we have argued at times over the small stuff but the serious stuff we have always pulled together and got through it.

However since the start Ive been rubbish at managing money and the worse I got at it the more I kept it from my wife till it got to the stage where my default position EVEN when she knew there was a problem was to lie about it.

Before the flameguns come out, I fully accept that this was not in any way shape or form acceptable behaviour, I have thought long about why I took this position, mostly pride not wanting to admit I was like a monkey with a machine gun when it came to sorting out money or indeed asking for help from those more money savey than myself. But also a sincere desire that my idiocy should not effect my wife day to day, I truely did not want to burden her, she has had enough else in her life to deal with outside of our marriage.

A few months ago this came to a head when my wife discovered I had borrowed from our joint overdraft acc to cover a shortfall else where, a couple of days later the personnel loan I had taken out was also discovered and that coupled with the debt to a friend pushed her over the edge and she left.

2 weeks later she returned after I came clean about every penny owed. none of the debt was due to anything other than bad (tragically bad) money management, paying for supplies on credit card then not clearing those costs when the job was paid, continuing to pay off minimum amounts, forgetting to cancel subscriptions etc.

She now has full access to all accounts, has all past statements and I get monthly help FOC from a friend to ensure it doesnt happen again, that as well as us both getting stuck in has ment over two thirds of the debt has been cleared leaving a small amount on a loan and a debt to a friend who is in no hurry to get it back. Its well in hand and fingers crossed will be cleared in the next 8 to 12 months.

Soo if only that were it, however during one of the many rows since she asked me again If I had ever been unfaithful over and above the time she knew about, If I didnt come clean she would leave me this time for good.

So I admitted to another 2 affairs, in my early 20s, yes this was after I had promised I would never do it again, yes I know that it was completely unacceptable and in no way can it be rationalised or excussed.

I wont trivialise them by making excusses as to the length both were one night affairs however I did meet with one of the women on more than the occassion that lead to the adultary.

Should she have known at the time? yes, have I denied it every day for the last 30 years? yes.

I disgusted myself at the time and looking back as a 50 something with the benefit of 30 years more life experiance I dont even recognise the 20 something that I was. I cant give any reasonable or rational explanation, it was the actions of an immature idiot and I have regretted every day for 20 odd years.

I fully expect now the "Once an adulterer always an adulterer" and similar comments, but Ive nothing to gain by lying on a forum, I did make a choice 20 odd years ago that I would never be unfaithful again and I have stuck to that. I didnt tell her and as the years have gone on and our marriage has gone from strength to strength and we have supported each other through thick and thin, my affairs have receeded in my memory I have had less and less reason to ever come clean.

My wife and I have worked hard to provide for our children and each other, and had a solid marriage, but now she has the full facts that solid marriage has been built partly on a lie.

I have no other secrets, money is now totally transparent, and I have been faithful for the last 25 odd years.

Of course I should never have been unfaithful I accept that, of course I should not have lied about money regardless of good intentions.

But the bottom line now is my wife wishes a divorce and does not wish to continue with couples counselling which we have been getting.

This is all coupled with the fact that we are been downright horrible to each other, I know is my fault and I should just man the up and take any amount of righteous retribution but its difficult, for me it was 25 years aho for my wife it was 8 weeks :(

So can I save my marriage? I love her more than I can say, I would do anything to change the past but I cannot, and I cannot see anyway to prove to her that lies over money will not happen again and that I deeply regret my affiars of years ago and have been a faithful loving husband since. (I know I should have been for the whole 30 years not just the last 25)

So again thank you for taking the time, all comments welcomed regardless of your opinion of me all I want to do is to try to make it right.

OP posts:
Cricrichan · 10/07/2018 11:10

Even if I forgave you I wouldn't trust you nor believe that you haven't had affairs more recently or throughout. That's a lot of lies.

Cawfee · 10/07/2018 11:16

Blimey. You write a good essay but actions speak louder than words. You’ve lied continuously for the whole of your marriage. Affairs and debt. You’ve also put her life at risk with STDs. What else is left? I think your poor wife deserves better and you knew better. You are only on here now because you’ve been caught. Your only hope is to go into intensive therapy/rehab on your own for at least a year. Every week and communucate to her that you are doing that. You need to drastically change yourself and your life. Start therapy, start volunteering for charities and get yourself sorted out

AnastasiaVonBeaverhausen · 10/07/2018 11:16

I honestly don't know if you can. It's been lie after lie and that's what is the most unforgivable. You have treated your wife like a second class citizen for 30 years. You've not been faithful and loving for the last 25 because you have maintained the lies and compounded them by the financial issues. That is neither faithful nor loving. That says to her that you don't respect her, don't trust her and she can't trust you. Her entire life with you must feel like a lie, despite her forgiveness in the first instance. You've trampled all over that incredible gift by cheating multiple times and lying. I'm not sure there's any coming back from that.

arghhhhhhh · 10/07/2018 11:17

My wife and I have worked hard to provide for our children and each other, and had a solid marriage

No - she did that. You didn't.

I wouldn't trust you as far as I could throw you. Your poor wife deserves so much better. You have taken so many years of her life which she can never get back which is all built on lies. She must be feeling awful.

Let her go.

She would be an absolute fool to take you back and you will mess up again.

itsbetterwithoutyou · 10/07/2018 11:18

So can I save my marriage? I love her more than I can say, I would do anything to change the past but I cannot, and I cannot see anyway to prove to her that lies over money will not happen again and that I deeply regret my affiars of years ago and have been a faithful loving husband since. (I know I should have been for the whole 30 years not just the last 25)

Why should she believe you this time?

Zaphodsotherhead · 10/07/2018 11:22

Okay, people make mistakes. They slip up, especially when young.

But. I'm afraid you've slipped up one too many times. Maybe your wife could have forgiven your historical infidelities or the financial horrors that you seem to have got into, but both? A bit too much to ask, I think, even if you have now 'come clean' that's an awful lot of years of lying. And she'd always be wondering about what else was going to come crawling out of the woodwork, I think.

ExplodingCarrots · 10/07/2018 11:25

You wife deserves better and you know this. How long again until you start lying ? She's never going to trust you. I certainly wouldn't.

JackietheBackie · 10/07/2018 11:33

I can just picture you. A charming and charismatic guy, who loves to make everyone happy and can’t bear conflict or hurting anyone. Loves to be loved, loves to be the generous,big hearted hero. Life is for living, carpe diem, you only live once eh?

I recognise this because you could be my Dad, and because I share some of these characteristics myself and have to chose (and work hard) at not being a selfish asshole.

You aren’t recognising that at a time when her children were young and she was knackered and vulnerable, you checked out of your marriage to act like a single man. She probably knew, and probably asked and I am betting you gaslighted her. In fact it seems like you have spent your marriage gaslighting her - about your fidelity, loyalty and fiscal maturity. You only came clean cos you got caught.

Know is your opportunity to show her a bit of respect and let her go. I have no doubt you charm your way into another woman’s home in no time.

MarieG10 · 10/07/2018 11:45

How she lived with the financial disaster that you are beggars belief. But the real crippler is the lies and then more lies. She will have sat there thinking how do I know even know he is telling the truth. All of what your marriage was based on is lies, despite the affairs happening a long time ago. That fact that you kept lying about finances will have convinced her she deserves better. I'm sorry to tell you that she does deserve better and I hope she finds the peace and a new life she deserves

sadiesnakes · 10/07/2018 11:47

This is all coupled with the fact that we are been downright horrible to each other, I know is my fault and I should just man the up and take any amount of righteous retribution but its difficult, for me it was 25 years aho for my wife it was 8 weeks :(*

You are not even that sorry are you? You deserve to be treated horribly by your wife after all you have done. You should be begging her for forgiveness and taking everything she's giving you like a man who knows and fully accepts he's fucked up. But you are not though, are you? You're fighting her on this and your going to loose spectacularly and you deserve every inch of it.

sadie9 · 10/07/2018 11:50

You have betrayed her on several levels. You shagged 3 other women during your marriage. You lied. You kept lying. For 30 years you lied. You stole money from her and her children and put her home and her future finances at risk. You put her in debt as well, to the extent you've had to beg to friends for handouts.
You didn't CHOOSE to tell her or come clean, you were FORCED to do that because she uncovered your other lies.
Your strategies for living is Denial and Minimising. You are still in denial because you are saying this friend who has lent you money to bail you out 'is in no hurry to get it back'. You are saying that just to make yourself feel better and minimise the reality.

TattyCat · 10/07/2018 11:57

You're a fool, and you're getting what you should have had 25 years ago.

arranfan · 10/07/2018 12:05

The difficulty with the relationship counselling is the extent of the lies as exposing a chronic history of lies (all of which were to defend your reputation to yourself, not to protect others) undermines any trust in your good faith in participating in the counselling.

A PP has suggested that you were gas lighting her. How many times did she ask you about money and you lied to her, or omitted to tell her something?

The affairs may have been 25 yrs ago, as you say, the betrayal for your wife is 8 weeks ago - with the knowledge that she has been deceived for so long. Added to the financial mismanagement and the scale of deceit involved in that - it means that although you describe yourself as a "faithful, loving husband", you mean that in a narrow sense - in the wider sense, it's not true.

Faithful, loving husbands don't get into financial messes and lie about it, undermining the security of a household's finances. You spared your wife nothing by making the messes and digging deeper holes that she had to rescue you from down the line when it was so much more expensive to do that and it had to be done while coping with the reality of your betrayal and lies.

I am aware of a similar situation where I know the wife. And the husband has chronically mismanaged their money (as is now apparent) a chronic liar. He has piled lie on top of lie and will even lie about something when the paper with the figures on them is front of someone. He acknowledges what he's done but because he fundamentally knows that he is A Good Person, these awful things can't really be that bad, and she is overreacting.

If you can singlehandedly come up with a formula to overcome the betrayal and lies, I think a number of people would be interested to read about it (I mean this sincerely).

MikeIngdom · 10/07/2018 12:06

Sorry to hear you and your wife are both suffering.

I think the only thing you can do now is to respect your wife's decisions and be the best you that you can be. Own your mistakes, keep being honest, and focus on what you wife wants and needs you to do, even if that means letting her go. Just be as kind as you can be from this point onwards, not with the aim of saving your marriage (which may not be salvageable), but because - like any of us - that is the best you can do. And try to accept whatever happens.

Best of luck.

RatherBeRiding · 10/07/2018 12:15

No you can't save your marriage. Your wife is now (finally) in full possession of the facts and has voted with her feet. You have to respect her decision. Her marriage has been built on a foundation of lies. The financial mismanagement is bad enough, but couple with the news of repeated infidelities she has obviously decided that she can't ever trust or respect you again.

And who could blame her? I was married to a man who was a chronic and habitual liar, who also got into an absolute mountain of debt. It was unforgivable.

What is and isn't forgivable is for each person to decide. Your wife has made her decision and if you want to regain even a smidgeon of her respect, then you must support her decision with as much dignity as you can muster.

yetmorecrap · 10/07/2018 13:34

I feel for you OP, because it’s your past that now affects your future. My DH also did something really crap and stupid and very hurtful 13 years ago, he didn’t confess and i found out 18 months ago , although he is hugely embarrased And very very sorry, it can change feelings and heads and hearts aren’t always aligned I’m afraid. The fact is she may still care for you a lot but it’s killed ‘something inside’ and as they say too much water under the bridge. I think the best you can hope for is to see how it goes with some time apart and remain friends if she can do so

callywags · 10/07/2018 14:07

Give your wife her divorce, I think she is too far gone and will likely never trust you again, being honest I wouldn't

Hidingtonothing · 10/07/2018 14:22

Your poor wife Sad The best, most respectful and loving thing you can do for her now is let her go, frankly it would further compound your selfishness to do anything else. It's not just that your revelations are new to her, you have reduced the last 25 years to nothing but lies and deceit for her and there is no coming back from that. Do the one truly selfless thing you have done in the whole of your marriage and make separating as easy as possible for her, it really is all you can do now.

noego · 10/07/2018 14:29

Karma at work here. If you truly lover then love her enough to let her go and be happy.

noego · 10/07/2018 14:30

lover her*

letsdolunch321 · 10/07/2018 14:38

I love her more than words can say .....

Is that why you have had affairs because you love her more than words can say.

You absolute cretin - I hope she takes you for everything you own

Usernumbers1234 · 10/07/2018 14:42

I’m not sure there is, she seems decided. It’s not so much the infidelity, obviously that’s not

Usernumbers1234 · 10/07/2018 14:47

Oops posted too soon.

Obviously that’s not good. But that time has passed. It’s the financial stuff, if you can’t stay on top of that at 50, I can’t see how you are going to have an epiphany now. You may have a friend controlling it, but once it’s fixed in “8-12 months” you’ll be back to your old ways.

Poor woman is probably thinking of her retirement and has to jump now to protect her future. The only slim hope you have of saving it is to give her complete control of your money, to the point your pay goes into her account and she gives you pocket money and pray that the rest of you is good enough to keep. The infidelity feels like a red herring, it’s the financial disaster area she’s leaving.

ACatsNoHelpWithThat · 10/07/2018 14:47

If you truly love your wife and want her to be happy you'll make the divorce as easy as possible for her. She deserves that for all those years you've stolen away from her.

HelenaNightSoilCart · 10/07/2018 14:57

I’m in the position of your wife having recently discovered my husband’s multiple infidelity, financial mismanagement and 25 years of stupid, stupid lies.

Everything about our time together is false. None of it was real. And like you, he’s now so, so sorry about the lies and deceit.

Fact is he, like you, is an emotionally incontinent man child with the self awareness of a slug combined with the sexual restraint of a rutting stag. He, like you, wants to “save” the marriage because “he loves me so much” and so won’t consider a divorce.

Let her go. It’s not repairable. Give her the chance to live her life without a ridiculous chancer hanging round her neck.