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Destroyed my marriage and dont know how to fix it

52 replies

Bleeper · 10/07/2018 11:00

First time poster in need of advice, different perspectives, apologies if it rambles I may never get the courage up to post again. And for those that take the trouble to read and comment thank you.

Im in my early 50s and married to a wonderful woman the same age, we have been together since our late teens and have 2 grown up children that have flown the nest.

In the first year of our marriage I had an affair with a work collegue, with counselling and the amazing forgiveness shown me by my wife we got over it and moved on.

Fast forward through 30 years of mostly happy marriage, we have argued at times over the small stuff but the serious stuff we have always pulled together and got through it.

However since the start Ive been rubbish at managing money and the worse I got at it the more I kept it from my wife till it got to the stage where my default position EVEN when she knew there was a problem was to lie about it.

Before the flameguns come out, I fully accept that this was not in any way shape or form acceptable behaviour, I have thought long about why I took this position, mostly pride not wanting to admit I was like a monkey with a machine gun when it came to sorting out money or indeed asking for help from those more money savey than myself. But also a sincere desire that my idiocy should not effect my wife day to day, I truely did not want to burden her, she has had enough else in her life to deal with outside of our marriage.

A few months ago this came to a head when my wife discovered I had borrowed from our joint overdraft acc to cover a shortfall else where, a couple of days later the personnel loan I had taken out was also discovered and that coupled with the debt to a friend pushed her over the edge and she left.

2 weeks later she returned after I came clean about every penny owed. none of the debt was due to anything other than bad (tragically bad) money management, paying for supplies on credit card then not clearing those costs when the job was paid, continuing to pay off minimum amounts, forgetting to cancel subscriptions etc.

She now has full access to all accounts, has all past statements and I get monthly help FOC from a friend to ensure it doesnt happen again, that as well as us both getting stuck in has ment over two thirds of the debt has been cleared leaving a small amount on a loan and a debt to a friend who is in no hurry to get it back. Its well in hand and fingers crossed will be cleared in the next 8 to 12 months.

Soo if only that were it, however during one of the many rows since she asked me again If I had ever been unfaithful over and above the time she knew about, If I didnt come clean she would leave me this time for good.

So I admitted to another 2 affairs, in my early 20s, yes this was after I had promised I would never do it again, yes I know that it was completely unacceptable and in no way can it be rationalised or excussed.

I wont trivialise them by making excusses as to the length both were one night affairs however I did meet with one of the women on more than the occassion that lead to the adultary.

Should she have known at the time? yes, have I denied it every day for the last 30 years? yes.

I disgusted myself at the time and looking back as a 50 something with the benefit of 30 years more life experiance I dont even recognise the 20 something that I was. I cant give any reasonable or rational explanation, it was the actions of an immature idiot and I have regretted every day for 20 odd years.

I fully expect now the "Once an adulterer always an adulterer" and similar comments, but Ive nothing to gain by lying on a forum, I did make a choice 20 odd years ago that I would never be unfaithful again and I have stuck to that. I didnt tell her and as the years have gone on and our marriage has gone from strength to strength and we have supported each other through thick and thin, my affairs have receeded in my memory I have had less and less reason to ever come clean.

My wife and I have worked hard to provide for our children and each other, and had a solid marriage, but now she has the full facts that solid marriage has been built partly on a lie.

I have no other secrets, money is now totally transparent, and I have been faithful for the last 25 odd years.

Of course I should never have been unfaithful I accept that, of course I should not have lied about money regardless of good intentions.

But the bottom line now is my wife wishes a divorce and does not wish to continue with couples counselling which we have been getting.

This is all coupled with the fact that we are been downright horrible to each other, I know is my fault and I should just man the up and take any amount of righteous retribution but its difficult, for me it was 25 years aho for my wife it was 8 weeks :(

So can I save my marriage? I love her more than I can say, I would do anything to change the past but I cannot, and I cannot see anyway to prove to her that lies over money will not happen again and that I deeply regret my affiars of years ago and have been a faithful loving husband since. (I know I should have been for the whole 30 years not just the last 25)

So again thank you for taking the time, all comments welcomed regardless of your opinion of me all I want to do is to try to make it right.

OP posts:
Thursdaydreaming · 10/07/2018 15:01

Why would she believe you now? You've lied every day for 25 years but "now" you are telling the truth?

Would you believe you, if the situation were reversed? She would be a complete fool to believe you.

AnastasiaVonBeaverhausen · 10/07/2018 15:02

*Fact is he, like you, is an emotionally incontinent man child with the self awareness of a slug combined with the sexual restraint of a rutting stag. He, like you, wants to “save” the marriage because “he loves me so much” and so won’t consider a divorce.

Let her go. It’s not repairable. Give her the chance to live her life without a ridiculous chancer hanging round her neck.*

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Hidingtonothing · 10/07/2018 16:30

Great post Helena, sorry to hear you're going through similar shit too Flowers

Trinity66 · 10/07/2018 16:35

You've had 3 affairs, I would leave you if I were her, sorry.

Stinkachoo · 10/07/2018 16:46

As PP said - it's just 8 weeks ago for her, but that's not it. She WILL remember the times you weren't there, when she was wondering what you were up to, telling herself to trust you, doing all the work and shouldering all the worry. She would have felt completely alone back then when you were off shagging other women. She'll remember all that and now she knows why.

You weren't who she thought you were then. She's only just finding out who you are. An irresponsible liar. You cheated her of any opportunity to make a decision about her life based on who you really are. For 30 years. You're probably not a 'bad' person, but if it were me, you'd have broken it beyond repair.

Knittedfairies · 10/07/2018 16:55

You may think your marriage went ‘from strength to strength’ but the foundations weren’t up to it. You were found out; your poor wife.

You won’t get much sympathy on this forum OP; there have been too many women on the receiving end of crap like this for that.

pallisers · 10/07/2018 16:56

Your marriage is over. You need to get to grips with that and be fair and reasonable in the separation and divorce.

If I were your wife I could never trust you - you lied and cheated.

Gottokondo · 10/07/2018 17:03

You've had a problem with telling the truth for 30 years and now you want her to believe in you? How does that work? Do you have any idea why you lied so much? She gave you a second chance and ypu blew it big time, why should you deserve a third chance?

You didn't have a good marriage, you cheated, lied and made tge financial future unstable. You made your marriage a bad one by your actions.

I think that she should leave you tbh. You haven't had enough respect for her to be truthful for all these years. You can't have a relationship based on lies. You might want to think about some counselling for yourself to get to the root of your truth issues before you start finding a new relationship.

Your wife deserves someone who loves her, is faithfull like she is and who wants her to have a good and secure life. You are not this person.

arghhhhhhh · 10/07/2018 17:07

@Stinkachoo totally agree with you. You don't forget. She won't forget.

My ex - dcs dad - cheated numerous times. I took him back for a few months. Was miserable. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't forget and never will. The thought of him makes me sick. I only have to communicate with him now when it's about the dcs and even that I can't stand.

Why should I have to get over it and carry on the relationship with a 'man' who made continuous shitty decisions? I didn't do anything wrong. I have the right to continue living my life without him. Where I can find happiness and hopefully learn to trust again (which I have, now married Smile). Why should I spend the rest of my life with someone who has deceived me like that? It's MY life. He fucked up, not me. I don't want to spend the rest of my life with someone who has caused me so much hurt. I don't want to spend the rest of my life wondering what the hell hes up too. Is he really at the gym? Or with another woman? Has he got yet another credit card he's maxed out on and not planning to pay?

Why should this woman spend the rest of her life thinking and feeling like the above? Because she will do - you can never build that trust again. She stays with you, she is wasting her life and spending it full of worry of what you will do next.

I pray to god the lady who is married to this absolute twat of a man sees it like this. It's her life, she shouldn't let him ruin it anymore.

Wellfuckmeinbothears · 10/07/2018 17:10

You are a despicable excuse of a husband and you remind me of my adulterous father. I hope she takes you for every penny and finally breaks free from a marriage built on your affairs. Ugh, you make me sick.

SandyY2K · 10/07/2018 17:16

For clarity.. you had 3 affairs? After the first time and counselling?

You didn't think she was hurt enough the first time? Or you didn't think she was worth being faithful to?

It was 25 years...but as you stripped naked the following 2 times...didn't your vows and fidelity mean anything to you?

Honestly...I don't think you have a chance. From her perspective it's a joke if a marriage. You've lied and cheated..you've been crap with money...she must question if you really love her?

Tell me...If she had done this...would you forgive her?

I can recommended

Www.survivinginfidelity.com for you. There's a guy in your wife's situation...his wife was the unfaithful one...similar timelines...he wants to save the marriage. I'll see if I can get the link for you.

crosser62 · 10/07/2018 18:55

Oh.
It's finished. You have finished it over & over & over again.

Move on, respect her wishes, let it go.
It's done.

Mysticbottom · 10/07/2018 19:30

Bleeper,
I believe anything is possible.
Things are new and raw for your wife. Give it time, keep talking, keep the door open on your side. You are a different person from so many years ago. No one is perfect. We all make mistakes. A lot of people here are taking a very hard line on this thread. You have posted genuinely. I wish you and your wife well whatever lies in your future x

arranfan · 10/07/2018 19:52

MysticBottom or Anyone at all, I'm genuinely interested to learn whether you know of any relationships that have survived the revelation that one of the parties has been lying, chronically, and misrepresenting reality for several decades (in OP's case in significant financial matters, amongst other substantial issues).

I seem to have hit an age where more and more people I know are saying, "It's like I never really knew him/her. Our entire relationship was built on lies". The issue of chronic lying to conceal reality and piling lie upon lie seems to be distressingly common and I can't find any material on how people resolve this (if they're the liar) or make reparations for it or how other people get past the devastation of the shocks that keep on coming and the shame of having being duped and betrayed.

ShamelesslyPlacemarking · 10/07/2018 20:51

Sorry, but I don’t think you can make this right. You say you struggle with your wife’s righteous anger because for you your adultery was two decades ago, but it’s not just the acts she’s dealing with, it’s the knowledge that she believed that the counseling and forgiveness had resulted in you understanding the pain you had caused her, and that you were truly sorry, but now she knows actually you didn’t understand and you weren’t sorry.

She now listens to your “heartfelt” protestations of love and regret and thinks “I’ve heard this one before, buddy.” When you say you understand that you’ve lied to her and mismanaged the future she believed you shared, and won’t do it again, she thinks back to how you said that after your first affair and then went on to do the same thing again, not once, but twice.

No sensible woman is going to give you another chance to fuck her future up based on your track record.

Your kids have left home, so she doesn’t have to worry about juggling a job and childcare. If she has her own income that permits her to support herself, I would say there is zero hope that she will consider a reconciliation.

Given that you can’t even deal with her understandable upset at the situation you have put her in without being horrible back to her, it seems less like you want a true reconciliation where you understand and make amends for what you’ve done wrong, and more like you want her to quickly forgive you and move on so that you can avoid any serious consequences of your actions.

Guavaf1sh · 10/07/2018 21:14

Yeah. She should LTB

ENormaSnob · 10/07/2018 21:31

She needs to leave.

She deserves better. Way better.

Barbaro · 10/07/2018 21:39

I hope that you come back and read this and make sure your wife does too, you do not deserve her. I'm so angry at you on her behalf.

You cheated on your loving wife, repeatedly, with 3 different women. They weren't one night stands they were affairs you said. So multiple times you slept with other women.

You didn't of course bother telling her about 2 of them because you're a coward and you knew she'd leave you and you'd never do any better. So you lied.

You then stole money from her. God knows how much, you're no doubt lying about that too. You could have made her homeless.

You've also been nasty to her, telling at her and arguing. What exactly has she done to deserve you or any of this treatment?

If your wife reads this, please for the love of God leave him and his debts to himself. If he ends up homeless, who cares? He cares for no one but himself. He never has and never will.

I hope op, that she leaves you and you end up alone, unloved and unwanted. You deserve nothing and certainly not your wife. She is the only one anyone should feel sorry for, not you. And your lies in that post are laughable, you do not care about hurting her. Not for a second. You care that you got caught. That's all.

falang · 10/07/2018 21:46

Let her go. She deserves better than you. You don't love her as much as you love yourself.

Gigis · 10/07/2018 21:51

Sorry - this is beyond fixing in my opinion.
The most loving thing you can do for your wife now is to give her the divorce she wants. You might think you genuinely love her, but your feelings and your actions are clearly ill aligned if this is the case. For once, bring them into alignment and grant her the divorce. It will suck for you (if we are to believe how much you love her, despite your choices) but it's not really about your happiness now.

AnastasiaVonBeaverhausen · 10/07/2018 22:10

MysticBottom or Anyone at all, I'm genuinely interested to learn whether you know of any relationships that have survived the revelation that one of the parties has been lying, chronically, and misrepresenting reality for several decades (in OP's case in significant financial matters, amongst other substantial issues).

I know relationships that have endured similar. But been happy? No. Just suffering and endurance because "that's what you do". If he truly loves his wife he will let her go and have a chance of true happiness with someone who will treat her with love and respect.

arranfan · 11/07/2018 11:37

I know relationships that have endured similar. But been happy? No. Just suffering and endurance because "that's what you do"

So unutterably sad that it seems the least worst option.

WizardOfToss · 11/07/2018 12:21

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mogratpineapple · 11/07/2018 15:03

And on top of all that, I see that you are full of self-pity.

Do the decent thing and let her go.

AgentJohnson · 11/07/2018 18:14

Only you know if you are telling the truth this time, she doesn’t and can’t give you the benefit of the doubt because you’ve squandered so many opportunities to be honest in the past. You have repeatedly lied to your wife for thirty years, all your contrition now can’t make up for thirty years of you prioritising your needs above hers.

I’m sure you do love your wife but you haven’t respected her enough to be honest with her. You haven’t respected her enough to seek professional support for your behaviour and you even now, your desire to stay together is more important than hers is to separate.

What can you do? Spend less time proclaiming ‘I’m different now’ and more time, really addressing your issues. As for your wife’s desire to get a divorce, that is her prerogative but don’t further disrespect her by dismissing her wishes, after all, you’ve spent a lot of time prioritising yours.

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