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husband vs father

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caniteverwork · 29/06/2018 14:24

Hi all,

I'm looking for some perspective. this feels long, but I'll try and keep it as short as possible!

I'm an only child, my mum is dead, and I am very close to my dad. He has done and would do anything for me, DH and the kids. He and DH used to be really close. Dad has always been really handy, fixing cars, plumbing, he's helped DH with loads of projects, and they were good mates. DH really appreciated it, as we didn't have much money, and dad taught him how to do a lot of stuff. He lent us money whenever we needed it, and used to enjoy coming round for a drink.

When the kids came along, dad was delighted. He absolutely dotes on them, and has done all our childcare for years. When he was working, he paid towards our nursery fees, as he felt his MIL helped him. We started looking to move back closer to him, especially after he had a mild stroke. A house in his street came up to buy, and he gave us money to enable us to afford it. He said he did it for selfish reasons, to have his grandchildren closer, but it obviously benefitted us too. Since moving closer and him retiring, I have been able to go back to full time work, as he does all the childcare after school. This has obviously benefitted us hugely financially! DH works away a lot, so dad makes the dinners, helps with the homework, runs them to afterschool clubs etc. I really couldn't do it without him.

We used to go on holiday together too. My dad's friends are all still coupled up, and he still feels the loss of my mum.

However!
Recently my dad has started to develop some of the annoying habits that older people seem to get. He fusses about silly things, eg a dentist appointment takes up his whole day! He forgets things. He back-seat drives. He tells the same story over and over. He keeps us all waiting whenever we go anywhere. He talks about TV programmes or sport that we have no interest in. Sometimes he drives me mad, but he means no harm!

Over the last couple of years DH has been becoming less and less tolerant of my dad, to the point where he seems now to really hate him Sad. Our last holiday together was a disaster, they ended up falling out a couple of times, and I accepted that maybe it was time for us to stop going on holiday together, as I ended up piggy in the middle and it was stressful

But a couple of months later DH got drunk and turned on my dad really nastily, asking him if he thought our house was his house and other hateful stuff. Dad went home, DH and I obviously had words, and I was, at that point, ready to leave him. Dad actually stuck up for him, said it was the drink etc! DH persuaded me that he was sorry, apologised to my dad, who graciously accepted, and begged me to give him another chance. I love him, so I did.

But now it's not working. Dad doesn't come over if DH is there, DH won't come somewhere if dad is coming Sad My dad is pathetically grateful for any time I spend with him, but has never said anything about/ against DH. I spend time with my dad when DH isn't there. Dad still does our childcare, but goes as soon as DH comes home, pretty much.

This is breaking my heart. I feel like DH is being really mean, as he makes snidey remarks about my dad (to his face) and he knows it hurts me, but doesn't care. If I try to talk to him about it I get accusations of being a "daddy's girl" or that I love my dad more than him/ my dad and I have some kind of weird relationship/ my dad thinks I'm his wife. DH is not close at all to his family- he hated his dad (now deceased) and hardly ever sees his mum. I call his mum far more than he ever does, and I loved his dad too.

I think DH is one of those people that says nothing but silently seethes and resents, and then responds with hateful or passive aggressive shit. I can't seem to talk to him about this, but I feel the way he is behaving and seeing my dad more lonely than he needs to be is slowly eroding my love for him.

I'm very independent (as I said, DH has worked away a lot throughout our relationship, so the kids and I are well used to cracking on without him). Him and I generally get along, we can have a good laugh together when we aren't arguing about this, and have a good sex life. We aren't a very romantic couple, but that's ok. I have no desire to find anyone else, and I don't think he does either- he has had plenty opportunity to do so. I'm sure if I kicked him out he would find someone else, as he's still good looking (I'm not Sad, have aged badly!).

I really don't know if it's worth ending my marriage or not. Would I be happier on my own, having torn the family apart? Am I unhappy enough to make it worth the upset to my children? My dad would be devastated, as he would feel responsible, and I know he is trying to stay out of our way as much as possible. Any insight/ advice/ perspective would be appreciated! I realise on here it is usually interfering MILs causing the issues, and I've tried to put myself in DH's shoes...but I still think he should just be kind. I think I would be.

OP posts:
SoddingUnicorns · 01/07/2018 10:49

I’m glad you’ve talked to your DH and that he is trying to understand where you’re coming from.

Families are/can be a minefield, and irritations are par for the course. I can see everyone’s perspective (the luxury of being an outsider looking in) but also that there are ways to ensure that everyone feels heard and listened to, which your idea covers too OP.

I wish you all the very best.

Layla8 · 01/07/2018 11:23

I can see that this is heartbreaking for you, but , TBH, I can totally get your DH’s POV. Your DF has been far too involved in your family life, I would have had to had some boundaries in place long ago, encouraged your DF to have a life of his own. Perhaps your DH has never felt like the most important man in your life ? He couldn’t even get away from your Dad on holiday. I feel so sorry for what you’re going through, but it’s probably been brewing for years.

SoddingUnicorns · 01/07/2018 11:39

@Layla8 I do see your point, but it’s difficult to agree completely with the DH when he’s happy to use the free childcare and financial help, but also happy to make the DF feel unwelcome as soon as he’s outlived his use.

FinallyHere · 01/07/2018 13:14

also happy to make the DF feel unwelcome

Having read the whole thread, my impression is that tbe DF was feeling too comfortable in the house, given the report that DF was coming in and

(turning on the tv to something the OP did not want to watch then complaining he couldn't hear the tv because tbe OP's music was too loud in her own house)

Its great to have help from grandparents but it sounds as if the boundaries have been blurred so that DH feels pushed out by the more helpful DF. This needs to be addressed, one way or another

SoddingUnicorns · 01/07/2018 13:16

It does need to be addressed, but not by telling the father that he’s unwelcome entirely (as the DH has been making clear) or cutting him off completely.

Middle ground needs to be found. If for nothing else than OPs feelings, because it must be hellish to be caught between your dad and your husband.

caniteverwork · 01/07/2018 13:20

Yes, boundaries have definitely blurred somewhat. My dad is no saint in all of this! I have called him on these type of things previously, then I feel bad!

I think DH and I can get past this. I feel like he actually listened to me, and agreed he had been a bit of a dick. I think it hasn't helped that his job involved him being away a lot for the last few years, and now he is home much more. Thank you all for helping me get some perspective!

OP posts:
SoddingUnicorns · 01/07/2018 13:21

I’m glad it sounds like things are on the up OP, it’s hard when you’re caught in the middle of it all so I’m glad for you that communication seems to be working!

OverTheHedgeHammy · 01/07/2018 14:14

If he's only started to be around more recently then it's a big adjustment all round. You've become used to him not being there, you're DC have become used to him not being there, and the family unit was you, you're dad and the DC, your DH was the extra. It's hard, I know that, I went through that with my DH.

You need to take time out to readjust. I think a break from your dad so a new normal can be established in the house, and for you're DH to find his feet, and for the DC to see him as the primary male caregiver / role model.

Perhaps your dad could take an over 60s holiday or something like that, that would take him away for a month or so, and give him something really fun to do.

That would also give you and your DH some real appreciation of how much easier life really is for you with your DDad doing so much for you. Perhaps a month of juggling work, childcare, meal preparation etc will make it hit home. (If you do this you need to make sure your DH steps up too, not your job to pick up all the pieces here.)

Also, absence makes the heart grow fonder, if your DH has always travelled, he's had a natural break from your DDad, which he doesn't get anymore. A break will help, but you will need to incorporate regular breaks in the future.

caniteverwork · 01/07/2018 14:51

We went on holiday just DH, me and the dc already, and have another holiday planned soon. I have been encouraging dad to do more, but he worries that we need him. It is definitely harder without him, but it can be done. Ironically, one of the hardest times for me was when DH and dad went off on a motorbiking trip for a week a few years ago! That's how well they used to get on Sad.

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OverTheHedgeHammy · 01/07/2018 16:02

but he worries that we need him - I'm sure part of him does worry that you need him. But I'm equally sure that another part of him worries that you might discover that you DON'T need him. You need to reassure him that you WANT him around, but that you need to stand on your own feet for awhile.

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