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Head is fucked.

63 replies

HereWeGoAround · 26/06/2018 10:31

Background: Me and DH married 6 years. I have two DC (DD12 and DS20 from previous marriage, He has DSS17 from previous marriage. We are all living together except DS20 who is at Uni)

DSS17 is hard work and has been for a long time. His DM is not very present in his life due to her alcoholism. I have been in his life since he was 8. He is naturally loud and aggressive and as an only child has been very used to getting his own way. His DF can see no wrong in him but over the years he has stolen posessions of DD and DS and lied repeatedly, been aggressive, bullied and is generally quite nasty. His DF sees none of this behaviour and won't hear a word against him. Over the years I have tried everything to make life easier for him as I am the only mother figure he has on a day to day basis. There is no warmth from him towards me whatsoever. I kept thinking he would mellow out but at 17 there are even less signs of things changing. He exhibits abusive traits, gaslighting etc. A recent example is he recently broke his headphones and tried to take DD's saying they were his and that she had stolen his. He has done this before so I try and buy several pairs but they have a different 'jack' to the ones that I can buy in different colours. He became aggressive and got in my face about the headphones because I wouldn't let him take DDs. He swore hers were his and she had stolen them. I was shaking all day because of his aggression. When I got home his headphones were on the side where he's left them. He did not apologise. He never does.

My Dh is warm, funny, kind and loving and other than his blindness towards his son, generally there haven't been too many problems.

Me and DD are quiet people by nature. She is doing well at school and is popular but is reaching her teenage years so is getting a bit mouthy. I am under no illusions that she is an angel whatsoever. No child is and mine are certainly no exception.

On Friday I was ill so DH picked them both up from school and college. When they got in he said they had been fighting. It turned out that because I usually collect them DD was looking for me and couldn't see me. When they finally saw her she was a bit panicky. DSS had a driving lesson so had a go at DD for being late. She said she didn't realise I wasn't collecting. DSS called her a string of names and she asked him to stop. He didn't and DH said nothing. She tapped DSS with her hand which she acknowledges she shouldn't have done. DSS then slapped her hard twice. She sat there crying and asked DH why he was letting her get hit and he told her that she deserved it as she's slapped first and called her a thick twat.
When she told me this I went nuts at him saying that I know she shouldn't have slapped first, but there is a big difference between the slap of a 12 year old girl and that slap of a 17 year old boy (he is 6ft 1 for reference) and that it should never have escalated to that.
DH said he had raised 4 DC now (his ex had a child from former marriage) and DD was "the most feral cunt' he had ever come across. He said as I had never liked DSS my opinion was worthless.
I packed some stuff and DD and I drove to my DM and have been here since. It is in another town 2 hours away and she is currently not in school. No contact from DH other that to say he would leave a key for me to pick up stuff if I needed it. My head is fucked. I love him so much but don't know if this can be retrieved. DD says she doesn't want to go back and I don't blame her. I love DH but don't think I can trust him with my DD any more. And I don't trust DSS with her either. I am 47 and facing starting again . I have no job, no money. I'm feeling the weight of responsibility bearing down. I haven't told anyone else.Sorry for the essay.

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StormTreader · 26/06/2018 10:38

You dont "think" you can trust him with her? After he said she was "the most feral cunt' he had ever come across?
That is a level of female-hating so deep I dont even know where to start, and your DSSs entitlement to all her possessions comes from that attitude. He hasnt even tried to say sorry to you, not even TRIED. That tells you everything you need to know about how much he cares about either of you.

Asmallrole · 26/06/2018 10:39

You have done exactly the right thing and must find the strength to carrying on doing so. They have both shown their true colours and if you let this go it will be more next time, and the time after. Your DD needs to know for her future relationships that this isnt to be tolerated and women are strong enough to say nope, I'm off.
Well done.

Asmallrole · 26/06/2018 10:42

Oh, and start telling your friends and family. You need help and support, both practically and emotionally. Yes you are starting again, but onwards and upwards and you can do it, and show your daughter how to do it.

beenandgoneandbackagain · 26/06/2018 10:55

Wow - I had to read that twice. What a horrible situation. Your "D" H has finally shown his true colours, if he really thinks your daughter deserved to be hit.

He has actually done you a favour, because you don't need to waste another second on him.

My bet is that if you start reviewing the situation in a few weeks time, you will spot where your DH has actually been showing red flags but you've been too blinded by love to see them. Please put your children first and concentrate on your future.

Good luck.

PeppermintPasty · 26/06/2018 11:05

I did a double take at that phrase he used. I agree he is a woman hater, what a vile thing to say and yy, no wonder his son is like that.

I don't think it can be saved, I mean, I get that you love him, but surely you can never look at him in the same way again after this? Horrible for you and your dd. You did the right thing in getting yourselves out and protecting her. Ugh.

VetOnCall · 26/06/2018 11:05

OP, I'm sorry but there is nothing to retrieve here. How can you love a man who treats and lets your daughter be treated like that; to call anyone a 'feral cunt' is utterly revolting let alone a 12 year old child and your own Stepdaughter. He and his son are both vile - that rotten apple really hasn't fallen far from the tree.

I have a Stepdad, he's been around since I was 10, and while fortunately he is the best, kindest man and as a father to me, if he or his children (two boys, similar age gap to your situation) had treated me like that and my Mum had let it happen and minimised it, well, I honestly feel sick at the thought of it. It will cause irreparable damage to your daughter and your relationship with her if you even consider going back to this man. You can't make her live with those people, you just can't. Its awful but you need to tell family and friends and start rallying support, and see a solicitor about making sure you get what you're entitled to.

ravenmum · 26/06/2018 11:17

I know what it's like starting again at that age, and it's daunting, but you can tackle it step by step, and there are systems in place to look after you in an emergency, until you can try to look for a job or get long-term support. You need to protect your daughter against that kind of attitude.

Karigan198 · 26/06/2018 11:33

Well I think he’s lucky that you left without castrating him calling your daughter names. On the other hand I find it interesting that your DD only ‘lightly taps’ and DSS slaps with force. She hit him and got hit back. You need to wake up and accept tour daughters behaviour was bad and stop making excuses there.

However whatever she did there was no need to call her a feral cunt or any other name.

pissedonatrain · 26/06/2018 11:53

It's sickening a nearly grown man thinks it's Ok to verbally abuse and hit a 12 year old girl. I think I would have knocked his damn block off.

This can't be the first time either. She seems afraid of them both.

Love your DD more and stay away from the abusive twats.
Have you ever thought the reason DH married you was to have a childminder for his son until he was old enough to fend for himself?

JeffJarrett · 26/06/2018 12:16

I'm gobsmacked at the things your DH called your DD. And allowing DSS to assault her. Now he's done it once with backup from his father who's to say how far it could escalate next time?

You have to protect your DD and leave the relationship. It will be hard but you'll get through it. Take the bastard for all he's got. Thanks

GoddessInTraining · 26/06/2018 12:22

Had a genuine Shock moment when I read a grown man calling a 12 year old child “a feral cunt”. Beyond disgusting.

Get yourself to a solicitor and get some advice because there’s no way back from that, none.

Aprilshouldhavebeenmyname · 26/06/2018 12:25

Your marriage is over.
Make the necessary arrangements to end it legally.

SissySpacekAteMyHamster · 26/06/2018 12:27

Stick up for your daughter and never live with these bastards again.

Absolutely disgusted by your husband's behaviour, and his son.... the Apple obviously never fell far from the tree there!

Clutterbugsmum · 26/06/2018 13:05

So basically your DH has done needing a babysitter for his child and now you can get lost.

Put your children first.

I would go back get yours and your children personal belongings and any other bit you want. And insist that both of them are not present when you do.

I would also take pictures of everything else including your SS room and belongings so they can not come back and say you damaged them.

Make sure you take out any money that would have been paid into any joint account which is due to you. And open up a new bank account for any money of your to be paid into.

You also need your name taken off any joint accounts so he can't run up debts and then you have to pay them.

Get legal advice

SunburstsOrMarbleHalls · 26/06/2018 16:27

I am shocked and sickened any person would use that kind of vile, misogynistic disgusting language towards anyone. It truly is hate speech.

You have absolutely done the right thing in taking yourself and your daughter to a place of safety. Please stay there and never go back for both of your sake.

Your "funny, warm, kind and loving DH" is an abusive arsehole and his son is learning his behaviour directly from him. He has told you that your opinion to him is worthless, that is a level of contempt that cannot be forgiven.

He clearly despises women.

I personally would find that kind of behaviour utterly sickening and I couldn't bare to be in the presence of such a horrible person who not only holds these views but verbalises them.

glitterbiscuits · 26/06/2018 16:36

Im another one who had to read it twice. People say things in anger buy that is so extreme.

What has been like with your Dc in the past? What does your DC at Uni think of him? Who owns the house?

It all sounds a bit of a mess and he clearly is putting in no effort to save this marriage.

I'm so sorry for you and your DD

Fuckwithnosensesauce · 26/06/2018 18:59

Shocking!! You LOVE this man? Get real! You daughter will never be safe with these two abusive men. Step son is no longer a child and it should not be acceptable to hit and hurt her. No wonder she asked DH why he was allowing it. You really need to put your child before these men. The SS is not going anywhere- can you imagine how vile he will be to DD as she goes through puberty?

He clearly knows your DP thinks she is a ‘feral cunt’ and can have free range over how he treats her in his dad’s company. Well done you for acting so decisively, you were brave and now you need to be braver.

Mrskeats · 26/06/2018 19:04

Shocking behaviour. If one of my step kids touched my kids it would be game over.
Start planning your future without them.
Is it any wonder your dss acts like that given the way your husband acts?

MrsMozart · 26/06/2018 19:07

Tell 'D'H to fuck off and never come back.

FogCutter · 26/06/2018 19:09

I am gob smacked by how your DH and DSS have been treating you and your DD.

It would be marriage over for me, no question of ever coming back from this. You need to protect yourself and your DD.

lecossaise · 26/06/2018 19:16

Well done for teaching your daughter that men do not have the right to speak to her like that. Nor to hit her!

Don't go back now, or you will be teaching her the opposite. Stay strong!

achanger · 26/06/2018 19:21

You need to leave him. Do not accept that behaviour towards your DD. Show her she comes first.

gingergenius · 26/06/2018 19:33

Your poor DD. Yes she shouldn't have lashed out but as a bigger, older, stronger and allegedly more mature of the two children he absolutely should not have slapped back. Two wrongs don't make a right and if he'd avoided slapping her, a fair punishment for dd's behaviour could've been decided.

Your doh has decided that his son's behaviour is acceptable. That's really quite chilling.

offside · 26/06/2018 19:34

Wow, I am speechless and got a lump in my throat thinking of your poor DD, broke my heart.

Please protect your DD and don’t go back to these monsters. I wonder if either of them would’ve behaved that way if your DS20 was around? Have you told him what has happened?

Whocansay · 26/06/2018 19:36

What sort of man says that to a 12 year old girl?

You need to keep her the hell away from that misogynistic piece of shit. He's taught his son well hasn't he?