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Head is fucked.

63 replies

HereWeGoAround · 26/06/2018 10:31

Background: Me and DH married 6 years. I have two DC (DD12 and DS20 from previous marriage, He has DSS17 from previous marriage. We are all living together except DS20 who is at Uni)

DSS17 is hard work and has been for a long time. His DM is not very present in his life due to her alcoholism. I have been in his life since he was 8. He is naturally loud and aggressive and as an only child has been very used to getting his own way. His DF can see no wrong in him but over the years he has stolen posessions of DD and DS and lied repeatedly, been aggressive, bullied and is generally quite nasty. His DF sees none of this behaviour and won't hear a word against him. Over the years I have tried everything to make life easier for him as I am the only mother figure he has on a day to day basis. There is no warmth from him towards me whatsoever. I kept thinking he would mellow out but at 17 there are even less signs of things changing. He exhibits abusive traits, gaslighting etc. A recent example is he recently broke his headphones and tried to take DD's saying they were his and that she had stolen his. He has done this before so I try and buy several pairs but they have a different 'jack' to the ones that I can buy in different colours. He became aggressive and got in my face about the headphones because I wouldn't let him take DDs. He swore hers were his and she had stolen them. I was shaking all day because of his aggression. When I got home his headphones were on the side where he's left them. He did not apologise. He never does.

My Dh is warm, funny, kind and loving and other than his blindness towards his son, generally there haven't been too many problems.

Me and DD are quiet people by nature. She is doing well at school and is popular but is reaching her teenage years so is getting a bit mouthy. I am under no illusions that she is an angel whatsoever. No child is and mine are certainly no exception.

On Friday I was ill so DH picked them both up from school and college. When they got in he said they had been fighting. It turned out that because I usually collect them DD was looking for me and couldn't see me. When they finally saw her she was a bit panicky. DSS had a driving lesson so had a go at DD for being late. She said she didn't realise I wasn't collecting. DSS called her a string of names and she asked him to stop. He didn't and DH said nothing. She tapped DSS with her hand which she acknowledges she shouldn't have done. DSS then slapped her hard twice. She sat there crying and asked DH why he was letting her get hit and he told her that she deserved it as she's slapped first and called her a thick twat.
When she told me this I went nuts at him saying that I know she shouldn't have slapped first, but there is a big difference between the slap of a 12 year old girl and that slap of a 17 year old boy (he is 6ft 1 for reference) and that it should never have escalated to that.
DH said he had raised 4 DC now (his ex had a child from former marriage) and DD was "the most feral cunt' he had ever come across. He said as I had never liked DSS my opinion was worthless.
I packed some stuff and DD and I drove to my DM and have been here since. It is in another town 2 hours away and she is currently not in school. No contact from DH other that to say he would leave a key for me to pick up stuff if I needed it. My head is fucked. I love him so much but don't know if this can be retrieved. DD says she doesn't want to go back and I don't blame her. I love DH but don't think I can trust him with my DD any more. And I don't trust DSS with her either. I am 47 and facing starting again . I have no job, no money. I'm feeling the weight of responsibility bearing down. I haven't told anyone else.Sorry for the essay.

OP posts:
Quartz2208 · 26/06/2018 19:37

its time to get everything in order - you cannot go back they physically and verbally abused your daughter

You are married so you have entitlements - what is the housing and financial situation

auntyflonono · 26/06/2018 19:57

Leave! Protect your precious daughter or you will loose her forever!

callywags · 26/06/2018 21:20

Good woman leaving and taking your daughter away from your horrible DH and DS
He called your 12 year old daughter such hateful words, game over OP
He is a nasty shit!

Sisterlove · 26/06/2018 23:16

He's a nasty man. Words fail me for his disgusting insults towards your DD. The marriage is over.

Even if two children the same age were getting physical, a sensible parent would intervene.

There's no coming back from this in my view.

Seeingadistance · 27/06/2018 00:15

I gasped out loud when I read what he said about your dd.

I agree with pp - your marriage is over. Time to focus on your daughter and yourself. Get yourself a shit hot lawyer, and focus on getting out of this marriage as soon as possible and with the most benefit to yourself and your dc.

You've done the right thing by removing yourself and your dd from the situation. Stay strong and keep on doing the right thing. Don't look back.

pisces7268 · 27/06/2018 00:23

I bet your daughters behaviour will improve now she's out of that situation.
I'm another saying you shouldn't go back, the only way I would is he apologies to your daughter and got the son out of the house to show what he did is unacceptable. But you said he hasn't even apologised to you so I'm guessing that's no likely to happen

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 27/06/2018 01:06

Like a PP I actually gasped out loud when I read what your DH called your DD. He really does loathe women.

So glad you up and left. You can't ever ask your DD to live with either of them again. A 17 y.o boy is a man grown in terms of VAW

Sorry, OP, but it looks like your marriage is over. Not going to be easy.

MistressDeeCee · 27/06/2018 02:47

Leave these 2 women hating pigs to it

To describe a young woman - any woman in the way your H has, is disgusting. He is scum. & after she was in tears at being hit, your H called her a "thick twat""...

I'd have called the police reporting the violence and verbal abuse of a child including DSS aggression towards both DD and you overthey ears, and got them thrown the fuck out, carted off to police station.

I hope you aren't going to tell your DD to keep quiet about what he called her. Family members should know. Does your son know what's been going on?

Stay away from them. Get your money sorted. You can get a job, and claim what you need to until such time.

Your DD will need support after years of living with aggression and bullying. As will you.

You may find if you attempt to go back your DD will speak out, and that's going to have far reaching repurcussions

Cawfee · 27/06/2018 07:05

Wow...you’ve got rose coloured spectacles my dear, if you think this is in anyway a man that you could/should love. No. He’s disgusting and you’ve been used. The both of them (DH and DSS) deserve each other. You’ve essentially raised that boy and they both treat you like this and your DD? No. No. No. There’s something wrong with the both of them. Get yourself to a solicitor ASAP and file for divorce ASAP. Calling your DD a feral cunt? That’s one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever read on here. Get a backbone and get rid. Show your DD that behaviour and abuse is not acceptable. Clear out and shut down joint accounts. Get a van and go get your stuff. Go see local schools and get your daughter in somewhere else. Get yourself sorted. No more crying over these vile vile arseholes. Makes me feel sick to my stomach what your DD went through in that car

AltheaVestr1t · 27/06/2018 07:56

People on this board are very quick to cry ‘ltb’ but in this case I agree. This behaviour indicates a really profound disrespect for your DD, and by extension, of you.

ShatnersWig · 27/06/2018 08:05

I don't have kids but even I know that if I did, and my partner just once called my child a cunt, I'd be gone Immediately. And there'd be not one moment of hesitation or wondering if I'd done the right thing because "I still loved him". Of course you can't go back.

TMIMonday · 27/06/2018 08:11

I work for children's social care and if you took your DD back to live with either of these men, I'd be calling a strategy meeting and a S47 enquiry for physical and emotional abuse as you are willingly putting her into an abusive situation.

She is at risk of significant harm - physically from her step brother as he is so much bigger than her and emotionally from her stepfather. Calling her a 'thick twat' directly and blaming her for the assault is abusive. There's no doubt in my mind. If school hear about this they have a duty to report it and if you take her back to live there your parenting capacity would be questioned as you wouldn't be considered a protective factor. Think about this very seriously OP.

Bluntness100 · 27/06/2018 08:14

This is beyond shocking. Your husband called your 12 year old daughter a feral cunt? And sat watching as his 17 year old son hit her?

I don't even know what to say, but you cannot take your child back into that house or be anywhere near him.

Some of the things I read on here are shocking but this is something else.

CaledonianQueen · 27/06/2018 08:28

TMIMonday gives excellent advice! In fact, given the events that led to you both leaving, I would contact your daughters school and tell them what has happened. My biggest concern is if your awful SS goes to the same school as your DD. If he does then you need to get reassurance from your dd’s school that she will be safe from intimidation, emotional abuse and violence. Support from social services may be useful for you! You have left at the first sign of abuse from your dh, so you have protected your dd! You have nothing to fear from the authorities!

Does your DD still have contact with her DF? I would be considering contacting him if she does, explaining what happened and telling him that you have left your ex after what he said about your DD. Unless he is abusive, I think it would be better for your ex to hear what happened from you, so he is prepared if your DD is upset/ distressed whilst in his care.

As for your dd’s behaviour, she was repeatedly goaded by her SB in a confined space, with no intervention from an adult who she trusted and should have intervened! You have said yourself how terrifying your SS is when he is abusive and gets into your face! I don’t blame your dd for lashing out at him! The abusive thug then full pelt slapped a little girl twice, your poor little girl! I would be wanting to know how often this has happened before! Your ‘H’ didn’t just turn into a sadistic, chauvinistic, abusive bastard - he has been like that all along! Your poor dd may have been subjected to emotional, verbal and psychological abuse over a length of time!

FiestaThenSiesta · 27/06/2018 09:27

I too read that with an open mouth. And Im not one of those I “spit out my coffee” because I’m laughing so hard types.

He cannot be a kind loving man and sit there calmly in a car and call your child that. I too think you’re got very rose tinted specks on. Talk to your daughter. Ask her how she sees him treating you. I bet she wouldn’t describe him as kind and loving to you as you do.

Bluntness100 · 27/06/2018 11:39

Yes my mouth dropped open too. And I'm also not one of those "I've been peeing my pants for days it's so funny" types.

I just can't even imagine a grown man calling a 12 year old girl a feral cunt. That fact he's known her since she was a kid or his partner's daughter, is actually irrelevant, I simply can't imagine any grown man doing that to any 12 year old girl. It's really shocking. What kind of man does that?

I think though it indicates why your step son is as he is and your husband doesn't step in. He approves and he's worse. The apple hasn't fallen far from the tree.

If he is the sort of man who will refer to a 12 year old girl as a feral cunt then I suspect you've wider issues in your relationship than you've explained here. Because it takes a certain type of man to use those words and to use them against a child.

ThePeasantsAreAtTheGates · 27/06/2018 13:22

My heart breaks for that poor girl, trapped in a car with two men abusing her, one physically and one psychologically. She must have felt so helpless and trapped. That he called her a 'thick twat' to her face and a 'feral cunt' to yours, to me is a red card sending off offence and a lifetime ban. Is that kind of language normal in your household? Is it used in front of the children by either/both of you? Is she accustomed to being verbally abused? I imagine she has been living under a cloud of thinly veiled abuse for quite a while now, and it will take a lot of work to help her through this. Please do not take her back to that house!!

TMIMonday · 27/06/2018 14:27

OP I'm aware that you might see the reactions on here as very strong and I can see how minimising this has happened but please, please don't ignore all the advice you have been given. If you are not comfortable posting again that's fine but please read, repeatedly, what we have all said. Please think about it a lot and in depth. This situation could ruin your relationship with your DD forever. It's really that serious.

HereWeGoAround · 27/06/2018 20:33

Just wanted to let everyone who was kind enough to post here know that I read and reread every post from you and that I went to speak to him today and it''s over.
My head is absolutely fucked.
In the blink of an eye your entire life can change track. There is no excuse for him nor his son whatsoever. I have to protect DD. She comes first always.
But oh my heart is broken.

OP posts:
Aprilshouldhavebeenmyname · 27/06/2018 20:37

Ime finding out your dh is a complete and utter bastard makes the recovery much faster /easier - and especially when dc are involved. Your protective streak will kick in and that will get you through.
There is a better life out there op.
Your dd is lucky to have a dm who puts her first.

achanger · 27/06/2018 20:39

Well done, @HereWeGoAround your daughter will know it's not ok for a man to treat her like that. I know your heart is broken but you are saving your daughter's physical, mental and emotional health, and yours too to be honest. Well done x

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 27/06/2018 20:44

Oh, darling, I'm so sorry. It must be heart-rending. But you know you have done the only right thing. Your DD has a mother she can totally trust and look up to, and you have taught her the vital life lesson that nobody has to put up with abuse from people who are supposed to love and nurture them. So, congratulations. You're a Star

MrsMozart · 27/06/2018 21:02

Oh sweetie. Have a hug.

gingergenius · 27/06/2018 21:02

So sorry op. The right thing to do is not always the easiest. I hope you and dd are ok.

Whocansay · 27/06/2018 21:05

Your DD is lucky to have you. Truly.

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