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Partner changed his mind about kids

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KateyA · 21/06/2018 16:57

Hi all bit nervous to post so please be gentle. I’ve reposted here cos this I initially posted in the wrong talk

So I’m very very nearly forty.

After several years in a lovely relationship my partner has changed his mind about having kids now saying he’s no longer sure he wants them. He seems to be erring on the side of no; there are no clear reasons except perhaps fear of change.

I am devastated and know that I can’t go forward with the relationship if this is the case

I was upfront at the beginning of the relationship about kids being a deal breaker and he said he was keen for a family.
We started to plan moving to appropriate home, and set a provisional date to start trying.

Six months later here we are,

I have told him I will leave him if his descision is no kids as I would not be happy in the long term if I was unable to be a mother. I’m now absolutely terrified to start the concluding conversation when I ask what he’s decided because I know it’s going to break my heart.

The really horrid thing is aside our relationship is great

Any similar experiences? Happy endings? Advice?

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TigerJoy · 22/06/2018 13:55

I have been in exactly this position.

You have done everything right. What you need to do is keep planning what you want for your life and how you get it.

What happened with me is my partner went back and forth for ages, we had lots of tearful discussions until finally I put my foot down and said "I'm going to have a baby next year with or without you". Remarkably he then seemed much more open to the possibility - I think the fear of change was his main concern. In the end I've put plans on hold for another year as I've just made a big job and career shift and I would like to get my feet under the table before going off on maternity leave.

It's up to you to have the life you want. You might find your confidence gives your OH confidence too - but if it doesn't you'll be better off having a baby on your own.

79andnotout · 22/06/2018 13:59

Hi OP I'm a similar age to you and TTC my first with a semi- reluctant partner. We have been having a lot of couples therapy and it was really helped. He has genuine fears and concerns and it's good to work things out with the help of a third party. We are actively TTC now, and if we do have success, will likely continue with the therapy to make the transition to parenthood easier for both of us at this later stage of life. If you're relationship is quite solid otherwise, I would give this a go before going it alone.

Kingsclerelass · 22/06/2018 14:06

Single unsupported mum here. Nine years in, my ds is absolutely the best thing ever.

I’d say what you may not have in family support, at 40 you make up for in experience, financial acumen and resilience.
Good luck Flowers you’ll be fab.

Fenwickdream · 22/06/2018 15:04

I know your getting advice about counselling to cope with the life change on his behalf and letting him move out for baby stage etc. I also know when your in love it's so difficult to let go BUT I can't help but think really? So many men out there that would be so supportive and happy to have a baby and someone would consider giving that gift to a man that needed counselling to accept life isn't all about holidays? Good interrupted sex? Nights out? Lay ins? What is it he's so scared to change? How would a man like that fair as a Father compared to one that always saw children as a life path?

What about those co parenting websites, anyone with any info on that? I've heard of them and they might be worth investing.

Or why not say your moving out to start trying for a baby alone and you're willing to allow him to be your boyfriend while it still suits you. See how he feels about that. After all that's the level he seems to keep you at.

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 22/06/2018 16:37

I'm a similar age to you and TTC my first with a semi- reluctant partner.

That feels like it'd be totally soul destroying. I really hope it's not as bad as it sounds Flowers

annandale · 22/06/2018 16:50

Christ, just leave already. And I never say that so bluntly, I am not keen on LTB and am pro staying together for the kids, after infidelity etc. But this is ridiculous. Just get busy leaving. It is just possible that when you actually leave he will realise he's OK with having a kid, but let him work that one out (and don't necessarily take him back either.) There's another thread running about having a baby solo without family support - it's far from 100% positive but I think there are some realistic tips in it. Don't waste a single more day with this ditherer.

Lizzie48 · 22/06/2018 17:45

For those of us who knew they wanted children, the idea of putting a relationship with a man ahead of that is unthinkable. No man is worth it, if you know you want a child. I never had to make this choice, thankfully, as my DH always wanted children.

And I wouldn't change anything. We have 2 adopted DDs, 9 and 6, who are full birth siblings. DD1 has Attachment Disorder and other SN which she's in the process of being assessed for. She has violent meltdowns and has lashed out at DD2 and me. It's so tough, but despite that, I wouldn't ever wish I had a life without my DDs.

I think if you choose to give up your desire for a family, there's a good chance you'll end up resenting your OH. I'm so sorry it's come to this, but if you really want to be a mother, and he's insistent that he doesn't want to be a father, then there's no way back from there. Thanks

Cattenberg · 23/06/2018 00:34

Several years ago, my partner and I split up because we wanted different things, and the biggest stumbling block was that I'd always wanted children and he'd eventually decided that he didn't. To be fair, he was never sure. He'd had an unhappy childhood, and I wonder if that was a factor, (but it might not have been). We're now best friends, which I know is a bit unusual.

To cut a long story short, at 35 I went to a private fertility clinic to find out what my options were. I had a fertility MOT which suggested that my ovarian reserve wasn't great (although not terrible). The tests had their limitations, especially as they couldn't measure egg quality. But, fearing that I didn't have much time left, I decided to have treatment with donor sperm.

My family were initially opposed to the idea, but changed their minds and have been incredibly supportive. I also have the support of my best friend (yep, my ex). I personally know a lovely solo mum with a young DD, and it's great to be able to ask her questions. I found the Donor Conception Network extremely helpful as well. They sent me details of research about the outcomes for donor conceived children, which I found pretty reassuring.

I'd have preferred to have IUI, as it involves lower doses of drugs, is less invasive and is cheaper per cycle. But the cumulative success rate I was quoted sounded quite low to me, whereas my predicted chance of success with IVF was much higher. I decided to go for IVF, but it wasn't plain sailing as I didn't respond well to the drugs. However, I was very lucky to be successful on my second attempt and now have an adorable three-month-old DD.

I decided that egg-freezing wasn't for me, as from what I read online, the success rates seemed to be very low, (although that may have improved following the new vitrification technique). Also, how would I know if/when I had enough eggs? If I understand it correctly, even young women have some abnormal eggs in their ovaries, but as they get older, the percentage of abnormal eggs increases. They are also likely to produce fewer eggs during ovarian stimulation. I never produced many eggs despite being on high doses of drugs, although my egg quality may have been quite good. Egg freezing does seem to be recommended mainly for women in their twenties and very early thirties. But I never spoke to my doctor about egg-freezing, just Dr Google.

If I were you, I would ask the doctor the survival rates for eggs frozen at the clinic, the success rate for a woman your age using her own frozen eggs and whether the success rate refers to pregnancies or births (sadly, birth rates are lower than pregnancy rates). I'd also ask about the process in detail and the risks involved.

I'd get a detailed quote for treatment as well. When listing the price of a three-cycle IVF package, my clinic put some costs, such as donor sperm, as extras at the bottom of the page. I believed that I'd have to pay these extra costs once. Nope, I later found out that if if I used all three cycles, I'd have to pay these costs three times. Very sneaky. Also, I believe that if you have treatment using frozen eggs, you'll need an extra process called ICSI.

I liked my doctor, but I got the impression that the clinic might have had sales targets. But I could be wrong, as my doctor seemed genuinely caring, and he never tried to sell me unnecessary add-ons. I do think though, that fertility treatment in the UK is a bit of a rip-off, and I read that the owner of my clinic has made mega-bucks.

Apologies for the massive essay. I'm no doctor, so take my medical comnents with a pinch of salt, but I hope that sharing my experience will be helpful.

Mountainsoutofmolehills · 23/06/2018 00:56

move out. if he wants you, he will have second thoughts.

Do not do what any of these mad women have suggested and get pregnant in secret on purpose to trap him.

eightfacesofthemoon · 23/06/2018 09:37

I feel for you I really do. What an awful situation
Unfortunately you can’t stay with him as you’ll only end up resenting him in the end.
I think donor babies are becoming much more common now. And even though you don’t have family support I’m sure you can make a go of it. X

mapaca · 23/06/2018 13:58

Do not do what any of these mad women have suggested and get pregnant in secret on purpose to trap him.

???
I don't see where anyone has suggested this?

Lizzie48 · 23/06/2018 15:07

Do not do what any of these mad women have suggested and get pregnant in secret on purpose to trap him.

You're right, @mapaca no one has suggested this at all. If they had there would have been a whole lot of posts saying what a terrible idea it was.

Topgirl1 · 23/06/2018 15:23

When it comes to having kids you have to follow what you want.
My partner hesitated and hesitated. I made the decision that I would rather be with him and childless than not be with him and then have no guarantee that I would meet some one else
After about four years though I did become pregnant and he was ok about it. He was a brilliant dad but point blank refused to have a second (which I had always had in my mind).
Two years ago my husband died suddenly leaving me at 41 with a five year old to raise myself.
I’m doing it. It’s scary as hell but we are enjoying life now.
I hugely regret every day compromising on a second child but am so glad we had our baby girl.
As horrible as this is, I would have been absolutely devastated if we hadn’t had a child before my husband had died.
You have to do what feels right when it comes to children. Raising a little one alone isn’t easy but the joy is beyond anything else in my world.
Do what is right for you. Be brave x

MoreProsecco · 23/06/2018 16:21

I think he's been spectacularly shit; he's led you up the garden path for years & has changed his mind after you've sold up & moved in.

I don't think there's a way forward for you to stay with him, without being massively resentful.

Sadly, I think it's time to move on. Sorry he's turned out to be so crappy.

Scott72 · 23/06/2018 17:01

At your age I think egg freezing is of very little effectiveness (as Catternberg suggests). You are better off trying to get pregnant immediately.

swingofthings · 23/06/2018 17:54

there are no clear reasons except perhaps fear of change.
Of course there are reasons. Fear of change would always have been there, so there's something else. What he owes you is at least to talk about his feelings. He might not be totally clear what the reasons are, but he should agree to explore and try to share them with you.

Just one thing you need to consider is that the chances of getting pregnant from a frozen egg from an 'older reproductive' lady are extremely low, next to none existent. Frozen embryos have more chance, but freezing an old egg, defrosting it, and getting it to fertilise is still very much in its infancy.

If having a child is what is more important to you than anything else, I would consider donor insemination as soon as possible.

Chattycat78 · 23/06/2018 18:27

Agree with Scott. Egg freezing success rates aren’t particularly good. Not helpful I realise.

I would try to get pregnant ASAP- I assume you’re 39 OP?

KateyA · 23/06/2018 18:59

I’ve seen a doc and am aware of the statts but at the moment I have to make the best of what I have control over and while I appreciate the need for action as soon as possible getting pregnant immediately isn’t an option for me practically or emotionally

So while not an ideal time or possible outcome I think it will help me feel I’ve done everything possible

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NordicNobody · 23/06/2018 19:16

I know a couple who have a child that she talked him into. He does love the child, but she has to do everything and if she ever dares to ask for any help he throws it in her face.

Her: "You've already gone out every night this week, can't you watch x so I can have some time off?"
Him: "Eugh, I told you I didn't want to change my lifestyle, you were the one who wanted children"

Same thing every time she wants him to change a nappy, give her a lie in, share the cost of childcare etc etc etc. He does seem to love the kid, but in practical terms she may as well be a single parent, and she never dares argues about it because technically he's right - he didn't want to have kids and she did talk him into it on the grounds that he wouldn't have to do anything or make any lifestyle changes.

I don't know your OH so I don't know if he'd behave like this even if he did "come around" but for me it'd be too big a risk and if it did happen I think it'd erode any love and respect from the relationship anyway.

Lizzie48 · 23/06/2018 20:09

NordicNobody It sounds like he doesn't actually love the child. If he did he would want to be involved in the child's care. It's very sad for your friend and her child, but it would be better if her partner stopped pretending. Otherwise that child is going to be badly hurt, if the parents are together and their father just doesn't want to know.

NordicNobody · 24/06/2018 00:26

Yeh it's a really sad set up. He's a bit like a live in Disney dad - likes to do the fun bits and post pics on social media etc, but as soon as he has to actually do anything it's all moaning and groaning about how he shouldn't have to because it was her idea to have the child. And it won't be long now until the kid is old enough to understand. The worst bit is though that she keeps trying to persuade him to have a second! There comes a point where you lose sympathy for some people.

KateyA · 21/07/2018 22:18

Just a happy update..

After more chatting we realised together it was just nerves not a true change of heart and that we’re ready and committed to making a family.

We’re starting to try to get pregnant ASAP once I’m off some medications and have the all clear from my gp

Thank you again for so many kind replies they really helped during a very tough time.

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Guiltypleasures001 · 21/07/2018 22:29

A lovely update op

Really pleased it's worked out for you both, and a speedy upduffing as soon as 😊

LaPufalina · 22/07/2018 06:32

Good luck, @KateyA, hope it happens for you!

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 22/07/2018 06:47

Really glad to hear this, OP.

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