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SpikyCoconut · 07/06/2018 19:36

Prev threads www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3253667-My-Dad-strikes-again-actually-upset-me-this-time

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3242430-My-Dads-just-rang-and-had-a-massive-go-at-me

If you don't want to read those, basically he's been awful for a long time, since I was very little. He's not always awful, and I actually do really like him for many reasons. I also love him and feel somewhat sorry for him, alongside being still scared of him (odd, I know).

Since the first thread, I've learned he told several other family members the thing he was supposedly annoyed with me about divulging, about a family death, very casually which only corroborates the theory that he just has to make a reason to have a go at me, it isn't a valid matter at all, he didn't care and it truly didn't matter who I told, but the fact I did tell (my Mum, who already knew!) gave him ammunition.

With the second thread, I'd theorised (with MN help!) that he actually engineers situations so he can have a go at me.

The latest is he's fallen out with my Mum for 'taking my side' (I/e telling him he's out of order for doing what he did). He's told her he wants separate lives from now on (they have been married 36 years and together 43 ish?). :(

My Mum's upset. I don't want that. Another relative of my Mum's has told her to never be involved at all between anything that occurs between me and my Dad, in order to stop herself being 'in the middle'. I agree with this for my Mum's sake, and i am totally guilty of involving my Mum, out of fear of approaching my Dad alone, however I know it won't help mine and my Dad's situation. Nor will her not being involed hinder it-well perhaps it will. . okay admittedly, I just don't know.

Of the point I make about him engineering situations, my Mum reminded me tonight of another example. I have a half sister, 18 years my senior who lives close by both me and my parents, that's two separate houses, I live with DP but in the same vicinity

Two years ago it was her birthday and she had a (significant birthday) party in a local venue, band, cocktails, loads of friends and family. It was a lovely evening. My Dad decided at the last minute not to come to the party because he was in a bad mood, which was weird as he'd been really looking forward to it (he brought my Sister up from being 5 ish). I didn't live locally at the time and had arranged to stay at my parents that night.

After the party, my sister, her Husband and some of her friends, and our Mum all went back to my Sister's house for drinks and food. After a while my Mum said she wanted to go home, whereas I wanted to stay a bit longer.

My Mum said no problem, I'll leave the door unlocked for you. I said okay.

After it was getting a bit late, I messaged my mum and said I'd sleep at my Sisters, to avoid disturbing them coming in, (It wasn't late, late but I felt it unnecessary and my Sister had offered) and so they didn't have to leave the door unlocked. She replied saying that's fine.

This message never got to my Dad. Unbeknown to me, he'd decided it was wrong to leave the door unlocked and he would wait up until I got in. Obviously I went to sleep at my Sister's and didn't come in.

The next morning, I went to collect my Sister's presents from my parents house and was met with a bellowing, angry, LIVID Dad who was so angry I can't even describe it, because he'd apparently waited up all night for me to come in and had had no sleep and it was all my fault. I am ashamed of myself over this but I got the presents and ran from the house back to my Sisters and I had tears in my eyes at her house over the way he'd been with me. I was so scared and upset, didn't know he'd be that way. I didnt think I had done anything wrong at all.

The thing I am ashamed over is my Sister's daughter was there when I returned, she was only 13 and I don't think I conducted myself well, crying and explaining what my Dad was like with me. I wasn't dramatic at all, don't get me wrong. Just walked in with tears in my eyes and explained how angry he was. I'm not a shouty, loud person at all.

The point of this though is, if he didn't want to sleep with the door open (VERY low crime village, rural-ish area but that's by the by), that's fine BUT:

My Sister's garden has one fence between that and my Parents thus, he could have shouted over the fence that I should come get the key, from where we all were we'd have heard. He could have spent all of 30 seconds walking to the house and giving me the key, telling me to sleep there or come home. He could have rang me, my Sister or my Bro in law and explained he didn't want to leave the door unlocked and asked what I was doing and what time and/or given me the spare key.

He could have locked the door and text me saying to sleep at my Sister's. he could have damned well come and joined in and not being a misery. He could have done anything BUT, he wouldn't because then he'd have had nothing to have a go at me about the following morning.

Anyway, my situation now is, my Mum says he's said unless she takes 'his side' (I hate that, we're not 10 year olds!) their marriage will be over. She also says he will absolutely not approach me to talk about it. He is convinced he's in the right.
I don't want to lose my Dad. I like him when he's not being a complete *&£$.I also don't want to approach him and apologise when I've done nothing wrong. (Or at least don't think I have).

I said I am content to pretend its' all never happened. I am content to continue as if it didn't, I do not want to cause ructions in such a long marriage.
My Mum says also she thinks my Dad's had a warped way of thinking about things for so long, he's actually gone mad, and needs help.

He'd never engage with help.

What do I do now. Gut tells me to leave the area asap (I moved her to be closer to them all and have a job here now) so no more problems are caused. But I guess perhaps I'm asking for advice. I just feel so stressed and sad.

OP posts:
Cricrichan · 08/06/2018 00:16

Your dad sounds like a narcissist to me. Read up on it and see what you think.

applesandpears56 · 08/06/2018 00:23

Wow I actually think your mum was to blame in that situation you posted for not communicating with her husband that you weren’t going to stay there after all
Your relationship with your mum doesn’t sound quite right - she shouldn’t be discussing your dad like this with you

PrizeOik · 08/06/2018 02:16

Oh op. Your family is dreadful.

Please stop engaging with them. Move away and get counselling. It's really not meant to be this dramatic and painful.

DontMentionTheWar · 08/06/2018 02:52

I’m sorry but your dad sounds appalling and I really feel you need to talk to someone neutral about all this. You are describing someone who is abusive to you, your mother and your sister. Read up about narcissism and the FOG of abusive people’s children. Please don’t dismiss this, you genuinely need help to unravel what is going on here and protect yourself against it in the future.

SpikyCoconut · 08/06/2018 06:40

apples I have thought about that (and something similar has happened before) BUT, if you were my Dad, wouldn't you have thought 'I want to go to bed so I'd better go ring Spiky/Spikysis/Spikybroinlaw' rather than wait up all night, fuming?

Counselling-I need to find out about that. DP hasn't found work since we moved. I can't afford it on one wage and they do do it thorugh the NHS, but around here It's a certain type, I am trained in a different type, and I am not sure whether I am 'allowed' to veer from it should I choose to get counselling myself.

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TERFragetteCity · 08/06/2018 06:47

Why didnt your mum tell your dad or just lock the door?

some weird fucked up dynamics there.

Footballmumofthefuture · 08/06/2018 07:25

Her mum isn't to blame. I'm actually fucking shocked at people even suggesting that. Her dad is a controlling bully and had he gone to his wifes party he would know exactly what was happening.

I doubt her mother was quite in the mood for talking with an arsehole who let her down. If I was your mum I would run for the hills and take him up on that offer.

Yes he could have pulled his finger out and rang you or asked his wife. But he didn't so that's on him. All of it is.

Olddear · 08/06/2018 07:41

Don't know why he stayed up all night...your mum didn't tell him you were staying over?

SpikyCoconut · 08/06/2018 07:46

I just don't know what to do for the beat now. The events I explained in the two threads in the OP Have both been recent and now my Mum says he's angry with her for not agreeing with him and wants separate lives. I couldn't live with myself, my Mum's in her 70s.

OP posts:
Itchyknees · 08/06/2018 07:49

Wow! You are the vessel for all that is wrong in his world!

Mymadworld · 08/06/2018 07:54

@SpikyCoconut whether your parents continue to live together or choose to separate has absolutely nothing to do with your behaviour or one incident. This is just another rod to beat you with and the sooner you put some distance (emotionally & physically) between you & your pig of a dad the better. It sounds like you all live in each other's pockets & that can be difficult for any normal sane loving family but your dad is clearly abusive & a narcissist and you need to keep him at arms length. Stop letting him 'help', stop him coming in your home, stop discussing your parents relationship with either of them & tell your dh to grow a backbone as he just seems to stand back & let your dad treat you like shit!

I honestly think you'd be happier moving away and cutting contact Sad

If you can't move away

Itchyknees · 08/06/2018 08:01

He’s a weapons grade narcissist and this is literally ALL about him, not you.

TERFragetteCity · 08/06/2018 08:05

Her mum isn't to blame. I'm actually fucking shocked at people even suggesting that. Her dad is a controlling bully and had he gone to his wifes party he would know exactly what was happening.

You are shocked that someone who got a text message didn't share that with the person who was not coming to bed, due to their daughter not being back...after getting a text message? i am not denying that he is the problem here, but why would she keep that to herself knowing that the OP would get it in the neck the next day?

OP if your mother is in a relationship where she cannot say 'lock the door, spiky is staying over' then perhaps she IS better off out of it.

Cawfee · 08/06/2018 08:21

Your Dad is a bully and your mum is avoidant and passive. Everybody in your family needs counselling. How does your sister get on with your dad? You should have a relationship with your mum outside of the home and outside of his knowledge. Meet her at the supermarket when she does her shopping etc. Your dad really needs help. He is abusive and just very very wrong. His behaviour is abnormal. You should show your mum this thread!

applesandpears56 · 08/06/2018 08:48

Spiky - no not at all re the waiting up - id assume you were coming back as agreed unless I heard otherwise. It was your mum in the wrong in that situation - very strange that she didn’t pass message on

madja · 08/06/2018 09:27

If he's anything like my dad, he would have stayed up all night powered by spite, just so he could have a go at me in the morning. Because I hadn't personally informed him of my exact plans.
He would know he could contact me, but he wouldn't. He's a narcissistic bastard.

SpikyCoconut · 08/06/2018 12:30

madja I really think that is it :(
We are thinking of moving. Not been here long.

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OliviaBenson · 08/06/2018 12:46

If your dad decides to end the marriage, that's his choice and it's nothing to do with you.

I think you should cut context with him.

I'll put money on that he was spoiling for a fight the night if the party. Was he actually waiting up for you? Even if you had come home, he'd have had a go at you for something.

Cut him lose and get counselling for yourself x

Footballmumofthefuture · 08/06/2018 13:35

Regardless of whether her mum told him about the text or not, and having now read through all her other threads. Her dad would have gone mad or found another reason to stay up or have a go. It looks like her mum is just over letting him know everything because it wouldn't matter regardless.

Maybe her mum got home read the text and fell asleep. His daughter is a grown woman and he is a grown man. Who waits up all night without so much as a phone call? Someone who is looking for an arguement!
Both her and her mother are better without this in their lives.

Semster · 08/06/2018 14:34

Your mum is an adult and can sort out her own marriage. None of this is caused by you, nor is it your problem to solve. She chose to be married to your father, and she can choose how she deals with it. She has also been complicit in allowing your father to abuse you for a long time.

You say you will pretend your father's behaviour never happened, but he is just going to keep on doing this over and over and over again forever. He is going to keep on engineering situations that give him an excuse to abuse you.

It is never going to stop.

Don't expect anyone to take sides. Simply choose whether you're going to continue to tolerate this appalling behaviour.

I'm surprised you haven't gone through this during your counselling training - I'd have thought it would be a huge thing to work through. And BTW you can go for any form of counselling you choose, whatever training you've had in the past.

I was in a similar situation to you in my 20s and I stopped tolerating the behaviour and went totally NC. I did carry on seeing my mother but refused to let her guilt trip me into anything. It was an awful time at the beginning, but within a few months all I felt was enormous relief.

Hissy · 08/06/2018 14:44

You told your mum, she told you that was fine, your dad know this and chose to attack you anyway

Go Full NC with him, i promise your life will improve

madja · 08/06/2018 16:22

I'm pretty low contact with my parents now as a result of behaviour like you're describing. One thing I can tell you, after years of soul searching, is that he will never change. Never. The only thing you can change is how you react to him. There are lots of techniques to deal with narcs, but the best solution is always no contact. I'm still working towards that myself.
Are you on Reddit? There is a great subreddit on there, called r/raisedbynarcissists that I have found invaluable. The thing some parents do to their kids is shocking! It's a great support to me as all the folks there are in the same boat.
Honestly, get away if you can. It won't get better, he won't get better, because he thinks he's great as he is. Stop trying to jump through his hoops.

titchy · 08/06/2018 16:37

Well you're dads a bully which I think you're beginning to realise. Bullies can be fun intelligent likeable people you know. So you liking him doesn't mean I'm he isn't a grade a bully and you're better off without him.

And your mum, for whatever reason (apathy, fear) is his enabler.

You are not responsible for their marriage. They are adults and responsible for their own issues.

Flexoset · 08/06/2018 16:44

He is using/threatening your mum to get extra leverage over you (perhaps because you haven't been subservient enough lately).

And he is using his quarrel with you to assert even more dominance over his wife.

This is a multi-benefit situation for him where he gets to rage at everybody and make them do what he wants.

Sounds like both you and your mum would be well off out of it.

ciderhouserules · 08/06/2018 17:00

OP - your mum might even have told your father about the text message, and he, as magjas father did, stay up solely so he had something to rip off you in the morning. My father would do exactly the same (and I'm NC with him coming up 26 years now! Bliss)

Your parents marriage is none of your concern - if your father wants your mum to pick sides, it's up to her. If he really is 'going mad' it's up to her to find out if he needs help, not you.

Personally, I'd walk away and not contact either of them for a few months. And move, if you can.