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I've been an idiot

76 replies

notjustvanillaicecream · 27/05/2018 17:19

This is going to be long so well done for anyone who gets to the end! Just wanted to avoid drip-feeding anything.

My partner and I have been together for 8 years. We have never lived together, not married/engaged, no children. For the past 3 years I have been living away from our hometown as I got an opportunity to retrain for a new career (healthcare related) and I have subsequently taken a permanent job. I finished uni last summer and took a job in September. The career opportunities for me at home are very poor until I have enough experience built up. I am approximately a 1 hour flight away from home. Typically I come home twice per month, and he visits me once per month. I also spend most of my annual leave taking trips home, around a week every three months.

Not sure how relevant this is but he spent 7 months away from home two years before I first left - he was in another European country - I suppose this was why we have managed to keep things going this long because we knew from quite early on we could make a distance relationship work.

Currently we have been arguing about our relationship - the distance is hard with no end in sight. My job is very specific and I'm quite late in starting my career so I feel that I should be making the most of any opportunities so as I can move home when a suitable job comes up. I did apply for work at home but no opportunities have come up. The way it works at home is anyone who wants a job at entry level as what I do is interviewed once a year and their name goes on a list as to how well they did at interview, the first job that comes up is given to the highest scoring applicant and so on. So applicants don't get a choice about what sort of team or speciality they are going into. At the next highest grade, individual posts are advertised but you need to have 2-3 years post qualification experience at either entry level or a higher grade.

I said before I took my first job that if we were getting married or buying a house I would have considered staying at home because then I knew the relationship was a priority for both of us. However I didn't feel it was the right thing to do to prioritise a relationship I have no guarantee of the long term outcome of. He wasn't particularly happy but we agreed the visiting frequency at that time.

He has always been very clear that he would never consider living away from our hometown - that he would never consider moving to be with me. I am certain he would be able to get a job as in his industry he has a lot of transferrable skills.

Since then I have moved jobs into a role where I am very happy and have an interview for a promotion to the next highest grade next week. It is a fantastic opportunity and would definitely benefit my long term career whether here or at home. This has caused a lot of problems as it would likely mean I might be away for longer as I'd then be trying to get home at the higher grade of job - he feels that he is continuing in this distance relationship, waiting for something that may not happen (i.e. me coming home). However I feel like I'm continuing in the relationship waiting for something that may not happen (i.e. getting engaged or buying a house). He has always said that he will not consider proposing or buying a house until I do come home. The distance is hard but I've been doing all I can to make it work. He feels that the majority of the effort should be made by me as it was my choice to leave home, and also that when I come home I also see friends and family, its not 100% about him.

So things have been at a bit of an impasse. It ultimately was coming down to me choosing between my career and my relationship. I felt that my career should take priority, and that I don't physically think I can do more to make things work.

In the meantime I've got friendly with someone at work. He came round to my flat on Friday night and one thing led to another and we ended up sleeping together. I am so ashamed of myself. I know that I will 100% never ever do anything like this again. It showed me that I love my partner and I don't want to lose him, I just can't see myself ever being with anyone else. This is so out of character for me. Even in my single days I'd never have a one night stand. I was cheated on before and I know how it feels and I can't believe I've done this to my lovely partner, he does not deserve it.

In the morning I phoned my partner and told him everything, I was 100% honest and answered the difficult questions. He was shocked and completely deservedly called me disgusting, pointing out he had been faithful to me for the 8 years even when women were throwing themselves at him. I took full accountability for what happened, profusely apologised and told him I love him. He told me during this conversation he has actually been looking at jobs closer to me.

Since then I've sent him a few messages reiterating how sorry I am, my regret and how this has been the biggest mistake of my life, which I can see he has read, but I've had no reply. To be fair I don't expect or deserve a reply. But I'm taking comfort in the fact he hasn't blocked me. The latest I've said is that I could come home this weekend and try to arrange some counselling, certainly for me to try to understand what went so wrong that I felt the need to do this; but that I could leave it open so it could be a couples session if he wanted.

I guess I am posting because I'd really like to hear from anyone who has been in a similar situation and if you have been able to rebuild things, and what has worked or what to be aware of. I don't know where his head is at but I'm just clinging to the hope he realises how sorry I am and how much I regret it.

OP posts:
devilinme · 28/05/2018 20:39

Do not give up your career! I'm convinced there's something better than this relationship around the corner.

Good luck

notacooldad · 28/05/2018 20:52

Stop the drama, sack him off, carry on with your career.

AgentJohnson · 28/05/2018 20:56

I think sub consciously you threw a grenade into your relationship to force change in a stagnant relationship. The truth is neither of you prioritised the relationship and your ONS has only further complicated a rather complicated dynamic. Your relationship is over, I can understand why he’s making the demands of you that he has but it’s too late, the damage has already been done. If you agreed to his demands, there’s a very good chance that you’d become resentful and that would kill your relationship anyway.

The ‘if it wasn’t for this one thing’ thinking has kept you in a relationship that has long run it’s course. It’s time to hook up those big girl pants and stop throwing more time at a relationship that just doesn’t have the legs to be anything more than it is.

Sally2791 · 28/05/2018 21:05

Good on you for accepting responsibilty and being very honest with yourself.Not so sure about your OH.Perhaps its time to make the break

SamandDean · 28/05/2018 21:13

So he basically has you right where he wants you. In fact, you sleeping with this other guy may of been the best thing for him. He gets to lay down the law and put demands on you, which he wanted all along. The whole relationship will be on his terms with you making all the effort and sacrifices and he gets away with making zero changes in his life. I don’t agree with what you did at all and I can see you accept the blame and realise your mistake. But I think deep down you know this relationship is over even if you’re not willing to admit it to yourself. I agree with AgentJohnson that you subconsciously threw a grenade into your relationship because you’re not happy. Neither is he and he comes across as bitter that you are focused on furthering your career and bettering yourself rather than prioritise him. Do you really even like each other that much? You’re already living without each other anyway so might as well put on the big girl pants and go the whole way. I can bet any money you’ll be relieved when it’s all over for good and you can just move on with your life

Olddear · 28/05/2018 21:18

I'd finish it, honestly. This will be cast up to you for the rest of your days!

Chippyway · 28/05/2018 22:07

I’m not going to comment on your relationship and the new conditions of it

However what I will say, is if you were the bloke on here saying you’d cheated, the replies would have been very different!

So for that reason I’ll let everyone else hand out the hypocritical opinions

Cricrichan · 28/05/2018 22:10

That isn't compromise at all, that's one sided. Also why didn't he take the job?

Olddear · 28/05/2018 22:14

There wasn't one

Pebblespony · 28/05/2018 22:20

Of course it's all one sided. The OP cheated. He's feeling hurt and the trust is gone. If the OP were the one at home and her man cheated while away there would be uproar. This relationship is dead. Sounds like it had been for a long time.

PolkaHots · 28/05/2018 22:42

It’s over. You didn’t sleep with this guy by accident.

notjustvanillaicecream · 28/05/2018 22:51

He had a conversation with a friend who was also in a long distance relationship during last week, and his friend's advice was that he should look for work closer to me. My partner, taking this advice, came across this job but didn't apply for it. My partner was going to call me on Friday and tell me but he was unwell so didn't do so. In the meantime I DTD with the ONS (who is perfectly nice but I wouldn't really interested in a relationship with). It is really frustrating that it took his friend to give him that advice and it wasn't a realisation he came to on discussions with me.

I had never considered that I might not truly love him. He has been in my life for so long I can't imagine life without him. He is a lovely man but can be very stubborn and hard to reason with. I think I need to reflect on whether having him in my life is indeed a habit.

The grenade theory is very interesting and it's that kind of thing I'd like to explore a bit further. There is no point in me discussing with him how to rebuild things until, or indeed if, we can work out exactly what it was that went wrong.

Thank you all for your support and non-judgemental replies. Mumsnet is the best.

OP posts:
MandalaYogaTapestry · 28/05/2018 22:51

I bet if you tell him no thanks and that it's therefore better to part ways, then he will first be angry and self righteous but very soon will come back with much better 'conditions'.

Ruddygreattiger2016 · 28/05/2018 23:58

Nah, I still call bullshit on his looking for a job, and NOT applying for it. He just wants to guilt trip and you have handed him a stick to beat you with. I am astounded that his demands to make this 'right' are that you give up on all your hard work and career progression! He sounds incredibly jealous of you op, yes it was bad to have a ons, but his response is to make you give up your hard earned education and training -please do not agree to that. Did you say you had an interview to progress to the next career level? Please dump this controlling twat and carry on with your career, the one he is very keen to torpedoFlowers

fluffyrobin · 29/05/2018 02:41

Oh for goodness sake where is the heart pounding passion of someone you can't bear to be apart from?!

You want to marry someone who sets you on fire not on this this boring hard work stubborn man!

You cheated: that is your heart telling you it's over.

Cornishclio · 29/05/2018 03:12

After 8 years with no sign of this relationship moving forward and everything on his terms I don't think there is any future with this man. He is offering you nothing and wanting you to make all the running to maintain it. What do you get out of it? Are you sure it is love and not habit as to why you don't want to cut loose?

Coolaschmoola · 29/05/2018 03:22

There was enough time between telling you he'd been looking and you getting there for him to actually look. I don't believe that he had been looking prior to the incident.

His 'terms' are unacceptable.

Earthmoon · 29/05/2018 07:49

I don't think he is being unreasonable for not wanting you to continually work at the same hospital as the OM. If you decide to work at this relationship, both of you would need to compromise on where you live. Don't move back home where your career would suffer but to another location in this big country where both of you can find work. Don't leave your job until you sorted out the next job and he can do the same. I would however, do some research on different locations that seem ok for you to move to before discussing this. He may end up saying yes to the first place you mention as an example but it may then not be suitable for one reason or the next.

Increased physical contact is good and it would allow you both to learn more about each other before moving in. However, this should not fall all on you. He should do 50% of the traveling, or maybe even the one day in the week that is a nightmare to arrange. So he could see for himself how hard it is to arrange.

ShatnersWig · 29/05/2018 08:25

Interesting thread this.

How many times have we seen threads where a man has had a ONE or an affair with someone where they work and pretty much everyone's advice is that he must find another job and it would be completely inappropriate to remain working together otherwise it disrespects the relationship further if you're trying to make it work.

If the distance thing wasn't an issue, I actually think that part of his manifesto actually wouldn't be unreasonable. Actually many people, if the genders were different, would probably also say going home every weekend would probably be reasonable.

And if the genders were reversed, most people would also probably say that while his manifesto was unreasonable, it is him lashing out in anger (and would wouldn't do that when they've been cheated on)?

And actually it was never unreasonable for him not to want to relocate. Neither of you was right or wrong about that. You want different things, always have done, you just weren't facing up to it. The ONS is proof that you're finally realising it, in my opinion.

This relationship is dead in the water. End it now.

Zaphodsotherhead · 29/05/2018 11:03

I'd also say that even if you comply with every one of his 'conditions', it won't be enough and the ONS will be used as a stick to beat you with every time your DP is a bit dissatisfied with your behaviour.

You're late home? Must have been sleeping with someone else. You're a bit moody? Must be pining for 'the other man'. You're tired and not up for sex? You would be if he was 'the other man'...

Again, cut your 'D'P loose, and go and forge your own life. He's probably lovely, and he was right for you 8 years ago, but he's not the man for the person you are now.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 29/05/2018 11:22

His terms are unacceptable and massively controlling.

I think you need to end this relationship, he seems to be holding you back, even before the ONS.

Concentrate on your career.

hellsbellsmelons · 29/05/2018 11:30

Nope - just nope!
You will be jumping through hoops for the rest of your life with this one.
Sorry - but you fucked up - literally.
And he will punish you forever for what you've done.
It's time to cut loose and get out there on your own and do your own thing.
You just don't need him anymore.
Something he's having to face and is not liking it.
But you have a new life away from him
Time to make the most of that.

VogueVVague · 29/05/2018 11:42

@ShatnersWig
Except reread the op:
He goes to visit her at least twice as less frequently as she goes home to see him
She hints at marriage and house buying, je doesnt repond

This relationship is all about his needs and preferences, no compromising, with the op just expected to figure out ways of compromising herself

ShatnersWig · 29/05/2018 11:57

Vogue I actually don't necessarily have a problem with the partner that chose to move away doing more of the travelling to meet up.

But I don't disagree with your general point. Which is why I said they've probably always wanted different things from the outset - she's always wanted to move away, he's never wanted to move away, she's talked about commitment, he hasn't - and that they've both been avoiding the bleeding obvious for ages and the ONS has finally brought matters to a head.

dirtybadger · 29/05/2018 15:35

I think people are being really harsh on the DP here.

You met in your home town, then you moved away for work. He doesn't want to move away (like lots of people wouldnt move for a partner or a place they like?). Some people would, some wouldnt. He doesnt want to get married or buy a house together yet...totally sensible as you havent lived together before! I would want to live with someone before making that sort of commitment. You cheated on him and now he wants you to commit to coming back. Because he wont be able to trust you working with the guy you slept with, or generally feels the dynamic isnt working.

Common advice on here is that a cheater should quit their job if they worth with the person, cut all contact, and give over passwords, etc. This is no more controlling. It's still a bit toxic, but I dont think it paints him as a bad guy or anything.

But it isnt practical, either (flying home in the week and every weekend). You will end up exhausted. Also, I know you arent being harsh on your DP, its other posters. But I do agree that it sounds like the relationship isnt going to work. You want different things. Neither of you are "wrong". He may never get over the cheating and long distance would make it 10x harder to rebuild any trust. I think you would be better off cutting your losses, for both your sakes.

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