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Is this gaslighting?

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LetsDiscussReality · 21/05/2018 20:09

I apologize ahead of time for the lengthiness of this post. I feel like my soul has been sucked out and I am literally physically and emotionally drained. The past few days have been exhausting. I discovered the word "gaslight" a few months ago and thought nothing much of it, but read about it more over the past week, and I think this is gaslighting. Tell me if I'm right.

I gifted my parents a mower because their current one was breaking down and it took them 2 days to mow their lawn. They are getting old but didn't yet have the money to get a new mower. The value of the mower I gifted them was under $1,500 and it didn't hurt me one ounce to spend it. It makes sense for adult children to help their parents as they age, correct? This is the first thing I've gifted them of this value; previously, anything I gifted them was no more than $100.

When I first brought up the idea in the phone conversation, dad went silent, but mom was enthusiastic. I thought that whatever had made dad go silent had been resolved over the next few days, as mom gave me the go-ahead.

So I got them the mower. Ok, great.

A few months later there was a big medical scare with dad. Mom called me saying that due to the medical thing, dad could no longer use the mower because it was too rough on him and it felt like the mower was "beating him up." A few weeks later, mom calls me on the phone asking if I would be upset if they sold it and got a different one. I said no.

Then a few days later, mom emails me and says that she and dad decided to give it back and that I could pick it up at my convenience.

Reality check #1: Giving it back is totally different than selling it to get something else, correct? Tell me what you think.

Now here is where the potential gaslighting starts. I feel like this conversation is circular, with no end, and no clarity and no honesty, that makes me feel like I'm going crazy and that is sucking the life out of me. Why? Here's how it went...paraphrased to make shorter...

Mom: We want to give it back.

Me: Lets be open and honest with each other. I'd like to know your (dad's) reasons for giving it back.

Mom: Oh you're being silly, don't you know we love you soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much, the only reason we are returning it is because it's too rough to use now, given the medical issue.

Me: I'll take it back. But this is a gift rejection, and I'd still like to know your (dad's) reasons. Giving it back is not the same as selling it to get something else, as was the original plan.

Reality Check #2: Is it reasonable for me to directly ask the reasons for their gift rejection?

Reality Check #3: Is it actually a real gift rejection, or is it just a gift-rejection that's not really a real gift rejection? Kinda like a fake gift rejection? You know, like a "gift rejection that they didn't mean it that way but its still really a gift rejection but lets just ignore that and pretend like its not really a real gift rejection?"

Mom: When we spoke with you and your husband on the phone about this, he did not seem ok with the idea of us selling it and getting another one (notice how she has now changed the reason?).

Reality Check #4: DH was, and is, ok with them selling it and buying another one. Is there any way that mom could have actually misunderstood him, even though his message was very clear? Or is this gaslighting?

Mom, further down in an email: We thought that giving it back (given that your husband wasn't ok with us selling it ([even though he told them he was]) would be less hurtful than selling it.

Reality Check # 5: Could this ever be true? Could it ever be true that a gift rejection would be less hurtful than selling it to buy something else?

At this point I decided that emailing with mom wasn't going anywhere and was sucking the life out of me, so I called to speak to dad.

So I called. Mom picks up the phone, nervous and anxious. She tries to block me from talking to dad, probing my reasons for the call. A few mins later she attempts to hand the phone to dad, who in the background says, "Not now."

Mom: Oh he's playing a computer game right now and no way to pause it and we are about to leave (a previously-planned trip). He can't talk right now. Do you want us to call you later?

Me: Sure.

Later, dad calls me back.

Dad, acting like nothing's going on and everything is aaaaaaaalright: "What's up?"

Me: Did you want me to take the mower back?"

Dad (repeats thing about how it beats him up to use it, then says): We thought the simplest thing would be for you to take it back, since we don't believe that we could get back what you have in it, if we were to sell it (a new reason again!!!!!!).

Reality Check #6: Is this a legit concern or is this now him gaslighting?

Me: So if I sell it, do you want me to keep the money?

Dad: Yeah, sure.

Me: I see...alright then.

And we conclude the conversation, and the next few hours for me are hell. I wanted so much to have, for the first time, an honest, open conversation with my parents and for them to tell me the truth even if it was going to be hurtful, but instead I get a run-around, which I interpreted as a very strong rejection. It hurt very bad. I feel like I don't really know my parents, and this feels like a wall.

Now, is this really just an honest misunderstanding, and am I in fact being just "too sensitive," as many gaslighters love to say to invalidate the other person, and am I just crazy for feeling the way I felt about it? Perhaps I just totally misinterpreted the entire thing... And by the way, how selfish of me to want anything (honesty, openness, the truth) from my parents at a time when my dad has been having health problems (he's on the rebound now, back to work and his hobbies)! I should be an unselfish person and put aside all of my own needs (for openness) and just concern myself with their needs and wants (the need to hide?). No, no one said or implied these things to me, but one cannot help but think about them, especially if one is accustomed to negative inner messages.

Reality Check #7: Or, could there be something messed up going on here? I need to crowd-check reality here. Tell me what you think. What does all this mean? What's going on here?

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Pandora79 · 21/05/2018 20:16

Sounds like you dad is uncomfortable with accepting such an expensive gift. Thats all.

Fairenuff · 21/05/2018 20:18

They don't have to give you a reason and you should stop pushing for one. Just tell them that the lawnmower was a gift and you don't want it back. They can keep it, sell it or give it away. It's entirely up to them.

Afterthestorm · 21/05/2018 20:25

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LeChatDeNuit · 21/05/2018 20:25

It sounds like you’re really overthinking this.

Theshittyendofthestick · 21/05/2018 20:26

I think you just need to take it back and stop worrying about it. I'd probably feel a bit annoyed being interrogated to justify my reasons for something.

MsHomeSlice · 21/05/2018 20:29

gawd sake, get a man in to use the bloody mower and mow the lawn for them #noproblem

PlateOfBiscuits · 21/05/2018 20:30

I agree that you sound like hard work. Whatever the reason (maybe it’s a mixture of lots of reasons) what does it matter? Stop interrogating them, sell the mower and move on with your life.

Lonesurvivor · 21/05/2018 20:32

Ah stop, if anything it's you doing gas lighting them with all your demands for reasons and forcing them to accept a gift they're clearly uncomfortable with.

Socrates73 · 21/05/2018 20:33

I skimmed this I'm afraid once I got the gist, you gave them a very expensive lawnmower that, on reflection, they didn't really want and found difficult to use. They gave it back which upset you as you felt rejected? Is that right.
I don't think this is really gaslighting no, poor communication and a bit of over sensitivity really I think. I'd suggest if your relationship is usually good then decide to be the bigger person, sell the mower and offer them a much smaller contribution if they are planning to choose another mower that suits them better. Then let it go, life's too short!

YouAreNotImportant · 21/05/2018 20:33

Wow you are seriously overthinking this.

No it doesn't sound like gaslighting at all.

ALRM · 21/05/2018 20:34

I'm not sure why you are so focused on the concept of a 'gift rejection'. It does sounds like your dad is not comfortable with the gift and I think you should just respect that. Probing them for reasons will just make them more uncomfortable. Gift giving should be a selfless act but a lot of your message is about your need to understand their reasons. A perfectly valid feeling to have, but not one that they necessarily need to accommodate, or that you should ask them to.

LetsDiscussReality · 21/05/2018 20:35

I told them I'd take it back right away, I do not expect them to keep it.

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Pressuredrip · 21/05/2018 20:36

I don't think it's gaslighting as such, though I can see why you have come to that conclusion, as there story telling is causing you to feel you are in the wrong. It seems quite clear as an outsider though that your father is a very old fashioned proud man who feels unable to accept financial assistance from his children, possibly some
Ingrained sexism there's too. It's dented his ego. He's said no to your mum and she really wanted it so ignored him and he has gone apeshit with her and made his life living hell.

Something similar in my family, my father has really bad knees and is struggling to leave the house. My mothers friend offered a wheelchair they had been given and didn't need and my mum was very greatful and delighted and accepted the offer and when he found out he was furious. Said he isn't a cripple and wouldn't talk to her if it came into the house. Really unusual and strong reaction from him. Your story sounds really similar.

Maybe you need to message your dad and stress this isn't charity, it's normal for children to support their elderly parents.

Badoukas · 21/05/2018 20:37

They feel wrong selling it on, it wasn't right for them and now you sell it to recover some money. You tried, that's your job done.

Whatififall · 21/05/2018 20:37

Ok, so I’m far from an expert but I would say this is not gas-lighting.

Gas-lighting would be more like

Mum - we need to exchange the mower as dad feels like it’s beating him up when he uses it.
You -ok

Later conversation
You - so did you exchange the mower?
Mum - why would we do that?
You - you said Dad found it too rough to use
Mum - no, I didn’t.
You - yes, you did, remember we talked about it?
Mum - I don’t remember that at all, I’ve never said that we would exchange the mower, we love the mower and use it every day

What you describe is them not being sure quite what to do and maybe not wanting to talk to you about it in full as you seem obsessed with there being another reason why they don’t want it.

Gemini69 · 21/05/2018 20:38

OMG I got anxiety just reading that Hmm

Did your Husband have a conversation with you Dad.. indicating indiscreetly his displeasure.. or displaying an attitude at having paid for an expensive lawn mower for your Dad and Mum ? unbeknownst to you...

this sounds more likely.....

Pengggwn · 21/05/2018 20:38

No, they are not gaslighting you. They sound like they are trying to manage you, and you sound like awfully hard work.

PosyFossilsShoes · 21/05/2018 20:40

For whatever reasons they don't want the mower. Possibly they feel it was too expensive a gift.

I would guess they are giving different reasons because they knew you would react really badly to any perceived rejection. It sounds more like they are walking on eggshells around you, rather than gaslighting, from your post.

LetsDiscussReality · 21/05/2018 20:41

Gemini69, no. The conversation was one I participated in and heard every word of.

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springsummer12 · 21/05/2018 20:42

It’s not gaslighting. Gaslighting would be if they told you you hadn’t given them a mower at all and they had no idea what you were talking about.

Do you feel generally rejected by them or something? It sounds like you think you know the real reason they rejected your gift and therefore you won’t accept what they are telling you (they find the mower too hard to use). They haven’t changed their reason at all. They’ve changed the way they solve the problem (sell it vs. give it back to you) but the reason was always because they can’t use it. It’s not a gift rejection. Quite the opposite actually I think they realise how much you spent on the gift and therefore don’t want it going to waste if they can’t use it.

Babyblues052 · 21/05/2018 20:44

All this shit over a lawnmower?! It's exhausting reading this. Sounds like your dad felt uncomfortable accepting it (that seems like a lot of money to be spending) and didn't want to tell you that. For the love of God, leave them alone about it. You sound like you're making drama where there is none.

LetsDiscussReality · 21/05/2018 20:45

Pressuredrip, thanks for the response. I can confirm that yes he is quite old fashioned, including his outlook about gender roles etc.

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Nooblynoo · 21/05/2018 20:51

Gaslighting : manipulate (someone) by psychological means into doubting their own sanity. So no this isn't gaslighting.

Maybe your parents are uncomfortable with accepting it. As they're getting on and there's been a health scare why don't you stop looking for reasons to pick, take back the mower and find them someone to cut the lawn.

dazedandconfused18 · 21/05/2018 20:57

Wow are you for real - your parents turned down a gift and 'your soul has been sucked out?' One day you'll have a real life problem, what will happen then?

You tried to do a nice thing, it hurts a bit when that backfires, I get that. Sometimes parents find it hard to accept roles reversing and their kids looking after them. Maybe that's the reason, but does it matter?

They aren't gaslighting they are treading on eggs shells.

LetsDiscussReality · 21/05/2018 20:59

RE: Those who are saying to get someone to take care of the lawn for them, that would cause more of the same issues, and they are not yet old enough to need such. The only course of action now is to back out and get it sold.

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