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Me and my friend.

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ozzy83 · 14/05/2018 21:37

Evening All,

Long term poster here, name changing for this... I don't really know why tbh but feels like the right thing to do.

I'm having an issue with a friend, a really good friend and would really like to gather some perspective. I'll try to be brief, but also try and get the facts right.

I've been friends with "Louise" for a long time, around 13 years. We have been very, very close over this time and never had a cross word. Bridesmaids for each other... you get the picture, generally all good. We have mutual good friends.

Louise is life and soul of the party, and very attractive, this is relevant. She prides herself on her looks and I think enjoys the attention her looks get her, we are now mid 30's.

I have two children, 6 and 3. Louise has one child, who's 2. Her child has been difficult and still doesn't sleep, she has found motherhood hard but doesn't want to address the child's sleep issues and generally seems to enjoy motherhood. I felt Louise and her DH had issues since their baby, but when I tried to bring it up she'd brush it off so I respected her feelings and didn't push the issue.

Louise has another friend, Kate. I've known Kate for about the same time I've known Louise. Louise and Kate are really good friends. Kate used to live abroad, then a city far away but has moved this year to the same city as me and Louise. I'm not the biggest fan of Kate, I find her cold and money obsessed, we are just very different people but I've always respected Kate is important to Louise and socialised about once a year with Kate when she would visit. Now Kate lives in the same town, with a very similar aged child to Louise, they see each other much more, all fine with me in just politely keep my distance.

Last year, prior to Kate moving to our town, we all went on a girls weekend away, organised by me. Louise had asked to invite Kate, it was sort of for Louise's birthday so I didn't question it. Whilst we were there, Kate let slip to me she knew about problems me and my husband had been having about a year before. These were very personal issues I'd shared with Louise, I was really shocked and very upset but didn't say anything to Louise. The problems had meant DH had moved out for a short period, at the time I didn't bother Louise with this as she was so bogged down with her newish baby. When I later confided in Louise, she was upset I'd not told her but no further support was offered, it kind of just got forgotten about. Then my stepdad who raised me, died suddenly, the grief from this and the pressure of supporting my Mum has made the past year very hard, I don't feel Louise has been the best friend she could have been but I've tried to think everyone is different, but I've had this nagging hurt from the realisation she essentially gossiped to me to Kate, who would never have been someone to offer me support or help. If Louise had contacted a good mutual friend, I'd have kind of understood, but this just felt gossipy and unnecessary. I suppose now in hindsight, I can see I've distanced myself slightly from Louise but still made an effort, have people to my house, invite her round with her child, enquire about her life and family regularly. This of course is only me perspective.

Within all this, about 3 years ago, I made a good friend, let's call her Rachel...when my son started school. We have grown very close in that time and I really enjoy her company. She has been a good and true friend and very supportive. Louise vaguely knew Rachel from being out when we were younger and when she found out we had become friends, was very outspoken about her, unfairly so I think as they didn't know each other, just were on the same scene. I should mention Rachel is VERY attractive to the point where people comment on it all the time. Louise has made unkind comments about Rachel being "shallow" which I feel is uncalled for, least of all as Louise likes to make an effort too.

I tried to mix Louise and Rachel once, it didn't really work, both didn't seem to enjoy each other's company, I also felt Louise was OTT and was trying to "out do" Rachel. She made a couple of silly comments and since then I've tried to just keep them separate and socialise with them separately. Anyway, not much has happened since then apart from an increase on me seeing Kate, which I'm not loving, feel she is being a bit forced on me and my group. As I said, I don't hate her, but since realising she knows too much about my life, I feel uncomfortable around her. My DH does not want to mix with her and her husband now he knows she knows stuff about us which is painful and actually embarrassing.

It's my birthday this week, and I'm not really in the mood for doing much. Louise asked if I wanted to do something, but every time something was mentioned it included Kate but not Rachel, despite Louise knowing Rachel is a good friend of mine. Immaturely, I made my excuses and said I was busy with uni work (true) and Work but could me and Louise do something in half term, she agreed.

Last week, I went to a ticketed event with another of mine and Louise's friends, Sarah. We had been invited by Rachel, it was at her sisters restaurant and Rachel had invited another friend of hers we hadn't met. Sarah does the marketing for the restaurant so knows the owner well as well as being far more friendly with Rachel too. That friend shared a picture on Facebook of the four of us, and tagged me in it (added me as friend during the night). Louise commented "Where's my invite" and then "It's ok, I know I'm 2 years ago."

I was so mortified. Really embarrassing to write things like that.

Rightly or wrongly, I texted Louise the next day and just clarified that it was a night I was invited to, not organised and it wasn't a birthday thing or anything, and actually I'd only met one of the girls that night.

Louise answered and said "Fair enough, I just feel like the boring friend, and that it's been ages since we've been able to organise anything."

I said could we go out just the two of us in half term and she has said "Sure" but she's clearly put out, clearly by my friendship with Rachel. I see Sarah all the time and Louise never comments.

My question is, should I challenge this with Louise? Am I missing something I've done? Should I mention the deceit of her telling Kate my business or has too much time passed? I feel like I'm being punished for going out with a different friend, who happens to be attractive? I can't help thinking she wouldn't be as bothered if Rachel wasn't as glam? What is her issue with her?

As an aside, I was very lonely after the birth of my first son, and missed out on a lot of social activity, it is hard for Louise to get out nowadays but should I be sorry for my life not being as hard to socialise? My life feels so stressful, I just want to socialise and have fun with nice friends who I chose to be mates with!

TIA, that was long! 😣

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ozzy83 · 14/05/2018 21:41

Gosh, I'm not sure that entirely easy to follow!

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starskey80 · 14/05/2018 21:54

Christ that was long.

Ditch her for the passive aggressive comment on FB.
Not sure I get the point of the rest of post, alot about nothing really.
Friends talk about friends, don't really see the big deal there.

ozzy83 · 14/05/2018 21:58

Thanks Starskey, did go on a bit didn't I!

I suppose I'm just surprised she told something really private to someone who wasn't really my friend, I keep confidences of my friends.

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starskey80 · 14/05/2018 22:03

Well she's clearly not that good a friend to do that.
I've talked about friends to other friends, but they wouldn't know each other and I'd not give names, just kind of chatting stuff.
It may have been that but the other woman worked out it was you.

Anyway, I'd seriously cringe if a friend of mine posted a comment like that, and for that alone I wouldn't blame you for pulling away.

You've better friends who you enjoy more,. No harm in that.

ToddtheCat · 14/05/2018 22:13

I think that you will struggle to get past her betraying your confidence if you don’t speak to her about it. I think you should have the discussion but be prepared to lose her as a friend if she doesn’t like what you’re saying. She sounds a bit like she’s feeling left out too, possibly because, as you say, she is finding it hard to get out as much. There seems to be things going on under the surface for both of you so having an honest discussion is probably the best thing so it doesn’t fester.

ByeMF · 14/05/2018 22:15

Dear god, it's not the playground. You are allowed more than one friend. What a ridiculously complicated situation!

Singlenotsingle · 14/05/2018 22:25

Friends come and go. It sounds as though you haven't got much in common with Louise any more, and she's got issues with Rachel anyway. Maybe she feels Rachel is in competition with her on the attractiveness front? Talk it over with her but it sounds like the friendship has come to a natural end

FabulouslyFab · 14/05/2018 22:32

I’ve got friends that I can’t mix, friends that I do different things with and friends that I can tell confidences to, and some that I can’t!
Just roll with it, see who you want when you want and don’t feel that you owe anybody explanations.
Be happy x

Nestinghedgehog · 14/05/2018 22:34

I agree with Single - friends come and go - it's hard when you have been friends for a long time and shared lots. Maybe see other people for a while - sometimes friendships need a bit of distance.

Try and see people who make you happy. It is easy to get in to the habit of seeing people but always feeling bad after you've seen them.

The betrayal is also difficult - not sure why Kate told you - she must have known it would upset you and that it was told to her in confidence.

Hope you are able to move forward and be happy - the situation is obviously bothering you.

MediocrePenguin · 14/05/2018 22:38

I can't help but think you are wasting too much time and energy on this - just do/see who you want and fuck what anyone else thinks about it. You are not 12.

ozzy83 · 15/05/2018 06:15

Thank you so much for replying, I know this sounds petty. I don't know why Kate said it either, she was drunk so maybe it just slipped out?

On the one hand I want to avoid additional drama in my life at all costs, but on the other, I think I'm entitled to tell Louise why perhaps I've distanced myself.

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Greenglassteacup · 15/05/2018 06:22

God I couldn’t be arsed with all of that

ozzy83 · 15/05/2018 06:39

To read it Glass? Don't blame you 😂

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epicclusterfuck · 15/05/2018 07:10

See her on her own from now on and let her know that you know she shared your personal information. If you want to keep her as a friend I would do it but on a less intense level and don't tell her the most personal stuff any more.

Cricrichan · 15/05/2018 07:37

I would only see her if it suited me or I wanted to. If she kicks off again then just finish the friendship or distance yourself from her. You both sound like you have other friends you have more on common with.

Olicity17 · 15/05/2018 08:03

Ne and my best friend are like sisters. If i told one of my friends something about her, she would ask me why I did it. So would I. Why did you not feel comfortable enough to ask louise why she had told Kate about your marriage problems?

Me and my bf have had situations where one has said something they probably shouldnt have. But when explained in context, its not a huge deal and we moved past it. If you cant do that, then maybe you werent as close as you thought.

As for not liking eachothers friends, just be open about it. Again me and my friend are. She knows I dont like one of her close friends. In my opinion, this friend treats her like a door mat. However, i make an effort of i see this person. But my bf knows I dont like her so understands when I decline an invitiation that includes her. Its not a big deal.

Again, if my best friend disliked one of my friends, we would discuss it. And I would be honest about why I eanted to keep them seperate.

It seems to me that the problem here, is that no one is being honest or having a converstation about whats going on. If you cant be honest, then the friendship will probably slowly die. It seems Louise is quite petty, but i cant help wonder if her point of view of all this is different. Because no one is actually being honest about whats going on.

Beaverhausen · 15/05/2018 08:14

Unfortunately we outgrow our friends no matter how good a friend or for how long we have known them.

But in my experience the best thing to do is to discuss the Rachel issue with and explain that even though you make an effort with her "awkward" friend it is only fair that she does the same for you. You also need to ask her why she felt the need to discuss what is to you a very sensitive and private matter with "her" friend. And tell her that to you that has show to you that she has no loyalty to your friendship.

If for some strange reason she can't and her pettiness is above what a good friendship the two of you had in the past it might be time to move on.

It is not easy but sometimes we have to walk away, i did and 20 years later she contacted me again. I do have her at arms length and our friendship will never be the same again but we are talking again and reminiscing.

Good luck :)

Morgan12 · 15/05/2018 08:17

Firstly, I understand that some women like a good gossip. I know some who simply cannot hold a conversation or make new friends without resorting to it. But if Louise was a true friend she would not have told Kate about the issues with your husband. I'd be majorly pissed at that and I'd let her know. Secondly, as PP said, it does all sound like immature playground behaviour. I had similar 'friends' and have ditched them now. Also deleted fb so I don't see their daft immature comments and tags and honestly feel much happier for it.

IceSwan · 15/05/2018 08:31

I think she can't be the friend she once was that you miss. I don't know how you haven't Challenged her properly about spilling your personal problems. She needs to account for that

You have other good friends. This is a bit cowardly but I'd be busy without confrontation until she's that friend you might see maybe once a year.

midnightmisssuki · 15/05/2018 09:03

Louise is just jealous youve 'maybe' found someone to replace her, and this someone is very attractive (more than louise?) - women can so strange about that.... Racheal also doesnt come attached to a friend you dont like (Kate) so thats a bonus. I think Louise just feels like youve replaced her so she's doesnt hold all the cards anymore.

And for goodness sake - you are allowed to have more than 1 friend too. This all sounds os young - if i were you, i would keep Louise at arms length. Friendly, but dont go out of your way to organise things - it needs to be a mutual thing. It seems shes upset you are not 'chasing' her now. Bizarre!

Gemini69 · 15/05/2018 11:18

I don't like Louise....nasty gossip who betrays your confidences... I don't like Kate.... cause she's nasty and the repeater of the confidences with no thought for anyone feelings.. but I like Rachel.. Grin

Bin Louise and Kate.. Flowers

Melliegrantfirstlady · 15/05/2018 11:28

What’s all this nonsense about looks?!

I think you should be upfront with Louise and ask why she was discussing your marriage with someone else? This breach of trust has really damaged the friendship

Other than that this all sounds a bit school girlish! It’s time to grow up

If her response is not satisfactory just continue to distance yourself from her

ozzy83 · 15/05/2018 11:40

Thanks all, it's really interesting to see different perspectives. I agree with one previous poster, Louise's interpretation of this might all be very different.

What I'm trying to avoid, is confronting her about her break of confidence and all turning into a drama where Kate is involved swearing blind she didn't know and that I've misinterpreted what was said. But I think I must be honest about how I feel in order to move forward.

The mention of looks was just because I can't see what Louise's issue with Rachel is as she obviously doesn't like her but for no reason, just seems jealous of her so I can only assume that's to do with looks as nothing else has happened and she actually doesn't know her?

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Angelf1sh · 15/05/2018 12:41

I don’t know if this helps, but I’ve never liked people called Louise! I’ve always found them to be mean, cruel and malicious Grin I know her real name is unlikely to be Louise but she seems to share the characteristics and I think you’ve named her well!!

ozzy83 · 15/05/2018 13:18

Excellent input Angel, that really made me laugh!!

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