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DH - looks like he's cheating, but how to prove it?

48 replies

MizZan · 06/05/2018 22:10

So, DH and I have been married many years, 2 kids. We went through a bad patch a few years ago - he more or less moved out, we ended up going to counselling which got things back to being fairly amicable but not more than that, and he moved back in but has been in the spare bedroom ever since, partly due to snoring but he's resisted any suggestion that he move back into our shared room and I haven't pushed it. We both work long hours and are tired. He's very attached to the kids, who are teens, and though we have talked about splitting up he says he doesn't want to. Those conversations usually take place after big arguments about something, he gets very angry and says I have to be the one to leave the house if we split up and he won't let me have the kids etc. There is no physical affection between us at all any more.

About 9 months ago he started having to attend work events in the evening, practically every week and sometimes twice a week, which he has never done in all the time I've known him, and he's always had same kind of job and worked for same organisation. If he's not at an event, he's often working late. I work late myself several times a week, so those days he's home 'early' (7:30 PM), but then I work from home the other days.

More recently he's started, several times a week, having to 'pop up to London' for supposed late afternoon meetings or evening events. Again as his work is firmly situated in our own city which is about an hour away from London, this seemed strange, and I have commented on it and queried it a few times but was always brushed off and told that I am in no position to criticise as I work long hours too, and travel. He works very close to our home normally, no real commute to speak of. He is a real workaholic though so, maybe plausible.

Today he left his phone on the dining table while he was doing something in the garden. He never normally leaves it around and I don't have the password. It happened that it was still 'unlocked' and the screen was showing the recent calls, and I saw 3 calls in close succession this morning from the same unknown mobile number. Thought that was a bit weird - why is he getting random mobile calls on a Sunday morning - and then scrolled down to discover several recent calls from a woman who works at the same company as him - listed under her name as she's in his contact list - who I've suspected he was involved with in the past. I don't know her other than by sight, but I have seen them interact at a couple of company events over the years and immediately thought there was something strange going on. However she was working in another country, or so I thought, so I haven't even thought about her in quite a while.

Thanks to Google I've now found out she's actually working in London now. She does a similar job to him so there could possibly be an innocent reason for them to be in touch, but given all the other factors I think it's more likely than not that something's going on. She is single, no family, very attractive.

The question is - how do I find out for sure, and get enough proof here that he can't deny it, if something actually is going on. He will never in a million years admit anything just from me asking him. I tried to get a better look at the phone again tonight by asking him to show me something random on it, but he just hovered over and took it back, was obviously nervous. I don't think I'm just imagining this, I've known him for a long time. What do you do in this situation? I don't know enough about his schedule to try to track him physically and it seems like an insane and horrible thing to do anyway, but maybe there's no alternative? I also work full time so not in a position to take lots of time off midday to shadow him, nor in the evening as someone needs to be home with the kids if he's out - and I wouldn't even know where to go. I'm thinking of trying to call the random mobile number that was on his phone this morning just to see who picks up.

Really feeling miserable about this and of course hoping it's not true but pretty sure it is. Better to know, and take some action to make sure the kids and I are financially protected and that I can move forward somehow, than just to keep going along head in the sand. Older child is about to take GCSEs so can't risk a big blow-out right this minute, in any case. We are supposed to be planning family summer holiday tonight :-(

Appreciate any advice.

OP posts:
Dozer · 06/05/2018 22:13

You don’t need proof. Sounds like the relationship has been poor for a while and that the time has come to end it.

Dozer · 06/05/2018 22:14

Or plan to end it. Gather financial info, get legal advice etc.

Florene · 06/05/2018 22:15

Add the random mobile number to your contacts, and check for a WhatsApp profile picture associated with it. Or Snapchat, if no picture, usually has a user name that in most cases relates to the person's real name.

I don't believe you can search Facebook on mobile numbers anymore, but it might still suggest the person as a friend also once you've saved it to your phone.

RandomMess · 06/05/2018 22:18

If you want the evidence to force divorce and make him move out use a private investigator to collate evidence.

Thanks
SandyY2K · 06/05/2018 22:21

I'm not sure why you're looking for proof...the marriage is pretty much over as it is.

You live like roommates and he's probably biding his time to leave you when the kids move out/go to Uni. He's not planning on being with you forever.

There is no physical affection between us at all any more.

And he's happy with this from what you say.

magoria · 06/05/2018 22:28

I suggest you start quietly getting everything ready so that when the GCSEs are done you can file for divorce.

He can't force you out of the house or away from the children.

This isn't a marriage. You deserve better.

MizZan · 06/05/2018 22:38

I hear what you're all saying. Getting 'evidence' is partly for my own sanity because despite all logic pointing to one conclusion, there's a part of me that thinks (hopes) maybe I am wrong, and that if I am things might be salvageable. I do still love him. He seems to still love me though it's definitely a strange set-up we have. and we have the kids, as someone has said I've also thought he's probably going to make a move once they've left, but then, it might also free us up to reconnect (one of them has been far from easy to bring up). or maybe that doesn't really happen? And the other reason is yes, to help force the issue of divorce, if that's the next step - how can I be sure he won't get custody of kids or the house? I also work a lot, I'm also not home a lot. It isn't a huge stretch to see how he could argue he should have them.

OP posts:
greenlanes · 06/05/2018 22:40

Once I had some evidence ie the text messages, I then moved on and looked at emails and any other paperwork. eg there was evidence of a break away (hotel invoice). I found some photos, Valentines day card etc. It doesnt help with the divorce proceedings. What it helped me with was the absolute certainty that I had been lied to and repeatedly lied to. What is quite funny now is that I know he is lying to his partner (the OW). People dont change.

So I do agree with other PP - plan your moves - your exit. So copy all financial paperwork, make sure you have copies of all passports, health cards etc, contacts. Put a stop on accounts, mortgage etc so that he cannot remove money or remortgage without your knowledge.

StarlightSparkle · 06/05/2018 22:49

When my H was having an affair he suddenly had to ‘stay overnight in London for work’ a lot even though we don’t live far so I expect your suspicions are right.

Do have the find friends app so you can see his location? If not could you get it? Can you check bank accounts / phone bills and look for unusual activity?

If he’s very careful about covering his tracks, short of following him and catching him red handed a PI might be the best bet.

Dozer · 07/05/2018 07:28

It doesn’t sound like he definitely loves you: his behaviour certainly isn’t loving. It seems unlikely that DC leaving will help given that both your focus has been on the DC.

You could seek couples counselling with someone BACP qualified, and / or counselling alone.

Your DC are older teens, so will get a big say in where they want to live. Or 50/50.

Get legal advice on the house and other assets. Dig for financial paperwork and do good preparation for the 30 mins consultations some lawyers offer for free - advice on MN and elsewhere on that.

Sounds like you have a good job, which is excellent for your financial future.

I know several people whose parents split up soon after they left home - they were very angry and hurt by feeling that they had been lied to in their teens and wished the break ups had been earlier.

Lupercalia · 07/05/2018 07:35

Your marriage is already dead and yiu dont love each otber or certainly not enough. Just split. Your poor children living in a dead horrible marriage. I woukdnt even considerit an affair given you have a martiage in name only .

AlbertaSimmons · 07/05/2018 07:42

Your marriage is over. Whether he's cheating or not is irrelevant. You're not going to reconnect because he doesn't love you, he loves his family (or his idea of it). You are together for the children and he's probably only doing that for his conscience. Time to wake up, smell the coffee and take back control.

NorthernKnickers · 07/05/2018 07:45

Oh sweetheart...that isn't love...that's habit. And it's a really hard one to break. Nothing at all about either of your behaviour (especially his!) suggests love. You're probably aware of this deep down, but are not yet ready to face it, because you'd then have to start untangling your lives and begin the challenge of breaking this deeply embedded habit. Which is painful. I wish you strength and luck going forward. 💐

Helmetbymidnight · 07/05/2018 07:48

You must feel very sad and lonely op Flowers
He is not loving you- and regardless of the ow (there is an ow) you do need to put yourself first and realise the way he is treating you is unacceptable.
The fact that you think he will be quite nasty re divorce suggests further he is not a nice guy. I would get legal advice now and prepare for a split soon.

DairyisClosed · 07/05/2018 07:53

Your relationship is over. You know that. You both know that. While v he is being dishonest and in the wrong I wouldn't go as far as to say he is cheating. You don't have any relationship beyond your domestic life and children. I really don't think that it is fair for you to use this to try to take his children from him. Be an adult and talk to him about it. He probably doesn't realise that you still think that the marriage is salvagable. I wouldn't in your circumstances (I would know, I saw this every day growing up, I know when something is over). If you really love him then the kind thing to do would be to find an arrangement that works for you. Allow each other to sell love outside your marriage. If that doesn't work then divorce now but allow him to stay in the family home until the children leave. Or leave yourself. You could of coursr force him to end his affair with the threat of throwing him out of his own house and separating him from his children but that would be a horrible thing to do, far worse than what he is doing.

Mannix · 07/05/2018 07:56

I agree, it sounds like he is cheating but it also sounds like your marriage is over anyway.

If you want proof for your own peace of mind you could try buying a phone, install a findmyphone app and hide it in his car/overnight bag to track his movements. Or hire a PI. But it won't affect the divorce / custody arrangements.

There's absolutely no reason why he would get the kids just because he says he will not let you have them. He doesn't get to decide! Seek legal advice to find out what you are entitled to financially.

Flowers to you OP. I hope you're okay.

Helmetbymidnight · 07/05/2018 07:57

If that doesn't work then divorce now but allow him to stay in the family home until the children leave. Or leave yourself

No she doesn't have to do that.

Disappointing thread this. Op hasn't done anything wrong yet a lot of harsh words - Lupercalia and Alberta - a bit of empathy and kindness goes a long way. This is the relationship board, you can do all the nasty stuff on aibu.

AfterSchoolWorry · 07/05/2018 08:03

Ah, he's only there for the children OP. You won't 'reconnect'. He's just biding his time.

I'm not sure how I'd move forward in your situation seeing as he's refusing to leave.

I wouldn't bother about the 'affair'. That's no marriage there. But I would start getting legal advice so he doesn't shaft you in the divorce.

Lupercalia · 07/05/2018 08:06

As the children are teens they will choose who and how to live. You and he will have no say.

The law decides who keeps the house and how the money is split if you can't work it out between you.

You NEED to see a solicitor. That is the ONLY thing you actually need to do.

I don't think it's harsh the things that have been said.

I've seen this so many times - when a partner wants nothing to do with the other, won't touch them let alone sleep with them but cries " affair" when the other seeks affection elsewhere.

QueenAravisOfArchenland · 07/05/2018 08:07

Does it matter if he's sleeping with someone else? Your marriage is long dead either way. I'm sorry that it has taken this shock to make you realise it, but this is beyond saving and I seriously doubt the departure of the kids will do anything. And you're talking like they're toddlers - if and when you split, they will live where they choose to live, not where a court assigns them.

Forget whether he's sleeping with someone else (he is, or will be soon). That doesnt matter for the divorce. But get your head and your paperwork together and start planning for the next stage, because it needs to happen now. Flowers

bastardkitty · 07/05/2018 08:12

I've seen this so many times - when a partner wants nothing to do with the other, won't touch them let alone sleep with them but cries " affair" when the other seeks affection elsewhere.*

What has this ^ got to do with OP's situation?

bastardkitty · 07/05/2018 08:12

Sorry - I was referring to Lupercalia's post.

Lupercalia · 07/05/2018 08:14

Because this is what the OP appears to be doing - wanting proof etc.

She doesn't want him but she's now pissed off someone else does.

GreenTulips · 07/05/2018 08:20

Hi you can buy small dog trackers and put it in a pocket or lining. It picks up wifi etc

Can you ring at awkward times?

If I though he was having an affair I'd play him at his own game.

But you don't really need proof - but it helps

OutofSyncGirl · 07/05/2018 08:23

I really don't like the tone of the victim blaming aimed at the OP on this thread.

The OP hasn't done anything wrong and In fact has tried to go to counselling which her dh doesn't want to do and he apparently doesn't want to split up either.

So basically he sounds like a man who wants all the advantages of still being married whilst having an affair. And it is an affair because he's lying to the OP.

If he wants to move on with someone else then the decent thing to do is to say it's over before you start that, not stay with and dupe the OP so he can get the best of both worlds.

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