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DH - looks like he's cheating, but how to prove it?

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MizZan · 06/05/2018 22:10

So, DH and I have been married many years, 2 kids. We went through a bad patch a few years ago - he more or less moved out, we ended up going to counselling which got things back to being fairly amicable but not more than that, and he moved back in but has been in the spare bedroom ever since, partly due to snoring but he's resisted any suggestion that he move back into our shared room and I haven't pushed it. We both work long hours and are tired. He's very attached to the kids, who are teens, and though we have talked about splitting up he says he doesn't want to. Those conversations usually take place after big arguments about something, he gets very angry and says I have to be the one to leave the house if we split up and he won't let me have the kids etc. There is no physical affection between us at all any more.

About 9 months ago he started having to attend work events in the evening, practically every week and sometimes twice a week, which he has never done in all the time I've known him, and he's always had same kind of job and worked for same organisation. If he's not at an event, he's often working late. I work late myself several times a week, so those days he's home 'early' (7:30 PM), but then I work from home the other days.

More recently he's started, several times a week, having to 'pop up to London' for supposed late afternoon meetings or evening events. Again as his work is firmly situated in our own city which is about an hour away from London, this seemed strange, and I have commented on it and queried it a few times but was always brushed off and told that I am in no position to criticise as I work long hours too, and travel. He works very close to our home normally, no real commute to speak of. He is a real workaholic though so, maybe plausible.

Today he left his phone on the dining table while he was doing something in the garden. He never normally leaves it around and I don't have the password. It happened that it was still 'unlocked' and the screen was showing the recent calls, and I saw 3 calls in close succession this morning from the same unknown mobile number. Thought that was a bit weird - why is he getting random mobile calls on a Sunday morning - and then scrolled down to discover several recent calls from a woman who works at the same company as him - listed under her name as she's in his contact list - who I've suspected he was involved with in the past. I don't know her other than by sight, but I have seen them interact at a couple of company events over the years and immediately thought there was something strange going on. However she was working in another country, or so I thought, so I haven't even thought about her in quite a while.

Thanks to Google I've now found out she's actually working in London now. She does a similar job to him so there could possibly be an innocent reason for them to be in touch, but given all the other factors I think it's more likely than not that something's going on. She is single, no family, very attractive.

The question is - how do I find out for sure, and get enough proof here that he can't deny it, if something actually is going on. He will never in a million years admit anything just from me asking him. I tried to get a better look at the phone again tonight by asking him to show me something random on it, but he just hovered over and took it back, was obviously nervous. I don't think I'm just imagining this, I've known him for a long time. What do you do in this situation? I don't know enough about his schedule to try to track him physically and it seems like an insane and horrible thing to do anyway, but maybe there's no alternative? I also work full time so not in a position to take lots of time off midday to shadow him, nor in the evening as someone needs to be home with the kids if he's out - and I wouldn't even know where to go. I'm thinking of trying to call the random mobile number that was on his phone this morning just to see who picks up.

Really feeling miserable about this and of course hoping it's not true but pretty sure it is. Better to know, and take some action to make sure the kids and I are financially protected and that I can move forward somehow, than just to keep going along head in the sand. Older child is about to take GCSEs so can't risk a big blow-out right this minute, in any case. We are supposed to be planning family summer holiday tonight :-(

Appreciate any advice.

OP posts:
bastardkitty · 07/05/2018 08:24

I think Random's suggestion of a PI is the simplest way to go. It's obvious he's cheating. He sounds controlling and thinks he's clever and will not be found out. It should be pretty easy for a PI to get proof. And then he can fuck off with telling you you have to move out of your home and leave your kids.

PurplePumpkinPiss · 07/05/2018 08:25

I agree with pp. He's having an affair and you think you might reconnect when dc leave home?

He is using you, the moment your dc are fine he will be too. Protect yourself now. Speak to a solicitor asap and get yourself in a better position.

Please don't ignore what he's telling you.

bastardkitty · 07/05/2018 08:26

And by the way, does your H know you use Mumsnet? I know there are goady fuckers on every thread these days but...

SoapOnARoap · 07/05/2018 08:28

See a solicitor & get some advice. This does seem dead in the water as a relationship.

JaiPo · 07/05/2018 08:30

I don't think you need evidence as there's no pretense of a marriage there. He's not pretending to be your faithful husband. He's sleeping in the spare room. He is dating somebody and refusing to move out. His dating somebody else or not is actually by the by. The marriage is over if one of you says it is and you say it's over with words.

NorthernKnickers · 07/05/2018 08:37

@Lupercalia you're actually just being downright nasty now 🙄

StarlightSparkle · 07/05/2018 08:40

It sounds like it’s the H pushing the OP away, not the other way around Lupercalia. He was the one who didn’t want to sleep in the same bedroom, etc.

Iswallowtoothpaste · 07/05/2018 08:43

Sounds like your marriage has been dead in the water for a long time and your DC’s have been keeping you together. It really can’t be all that pleasant for any of you.

I’m sorry you’ve found out like this, I don’t think you need any more proof but you do need to speak to a solicitor. Good luck OP Flowers

JaiPo · 07/05/2018 08:45

Yes, I agree with Starlight.

He is pushing her away whilst withholding the information she needs to 1) get over him and 2) act in her own best interest.

He sounds like he came in to the house with a long term plan to bunker down in the spare bedroom, letting OP believe they might reconnect one day.

Iswallowtoothpaste · 07/05/2018 08:45

Agree with @OutofSyncGirl.

He’s trying to have his cake and eat it, stringing you along and giving you hypothetical ultimatums. Sounds like an absolute dick to be honest.

JaiPo · 07/05/2018 08:48

If he won't move out just say ok, put the house up for sale immediately. He sounds devious, bunkering down in the spare room for years.

AfterSchoolWorry · 07/05/2018 08:48

@Lupercalia she doesn't want him but she's now pissed off someone else does

No, read OP's posts again:

he's resisted any suggestion that he move back into our shared room

there's a part of me that thinks (hopes) maybe I am wrong, and that if I am things might be salvageable. I do still love him

She's holding out hope that things might get back on track, where did you get the idea she doesn't want him?

It appears to be the other way around.

Lupercalia · 07/05/2018 08:49

Whether he is having an affair or not though will have absolutely no bearing on how the house and assets are split.

A court has zero interest . People seem to think that an unfaithful partner gives you a better deal , It absolutely does not.

Helmetbymidnight · 07/05/2018 09:12

A court has zero interest . People seem to think that an unfaithful partner gives you a better deal , It absolutely does not

Er no they don't. This is a support thread- try reading what the op has said - you obviously didn't - and try reading what others have said before spouting off your irrelevant advice.

GreenTulips · 07/05/2018 09:18

I think it does put you in a better position mentally.

He's in the wrong to cheat and lie

OP has done nothing wrong and therefore can justify a divorce.

JaiPo · 07/05/2018 09:21

A partner who spends years knowing that the marriage WILL end, that the assets WILL be divided is at an advantage.

bastardkitty · 07/05/2018 09:39

Yes. And he's a cheeky cunt telling OP if she doesn't like it, she needs to leave. It's obvious OP has some hopes of reconciling the marriage. It's not that his cheating would affect the settlement. It's that OP can quietly get legal advice, get ducks in a row and tell him to get to fuck with his 'put up or move out' attitude.

PrimalLady · 07/05/2018 10:36

Who owns the house? I think he just wanted back in the house.

Cricrichan · 07/05/2018 11:25

He no longer loves you nor wants to be with you. When you were separated he probably missed the children and that's why he came back. Maybe he intended to try to love you and enjoy being with you but he couldn't and 9 months ago started an affair.

In the meantime you're living in this limbo , not being able to move on nor enjoy your family life and I bet his actions have taken a lot of your confidence away.

This isnt a healthy environment for the children if that's why you're staying.

So I would speak to a solicitor and get a good idea of where you stand.

In the unlikely event he's not cheating (maybe it's because he can't bear to spend much time in the family home) it still isn't a marriage so nothing to save there.

Beaverhausen · 07/05/2018 16:48

You can also look up the numbers on Facebook.

ittakes2 · 08/05/2018 10:46

I’m sorry but he might be taking the same perspective as you - keeping a calm environment due to your child’s gcse exams. You should get some advice on your options - at least you will feel like you are doing something rather than as you say burying your head in the sand. Amazon sell books on the subject - maybe find a title you like and see if the library has a copy.

Thebluedog · 08/05/2018 10:54

Sounds like he’s having a relationship with someone and biding his time until the dc leave home.

If I were you, I’d see a solicitor re a divorce and what he legally can and can’t do (many people seem to think they know, but have no basis for it), then when you start the discussions you’ll know what is true when he says you’ll have to move out etc. Get your important documents sorted and out of the house and sort your finances. In the mean time hire a private investigator, that way you’ll know for sure what he’s up to and you can use this when taking to him about making the first steps on the divorce. By that I don’t mean you can use it against him, but it will stop him trying to continue to live with you and see the other woman - having his cake and eating it. You can force the issue

Dozer · 08/05/2018 12:17

IMO money would be much better spent on legal advice and counselling for OP alone, not an investigator. An affair does seem likely but the H’s treatment of OP in lots of ways seems to suggest he doesn’t want the relationship but wishes to remain in the family home until such time he decides to leave. guess if firm proof of an affair would be the final straw for OP and ordinary snooping doesn’t uncover this it might be worth paying a PI if funds are not an issue. But for most people money is limited.

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