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I don't know what to do.

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LogsByTheFireside · 08/04/2018 12:06

Ugh, I feel awful for saying this but I need to put it somewhere and I have nowhere/no one else. As I start, I'm not even sure where I'm going with it really.

My boyfriend of 8 months is autistic. It's caused a few issues - we've yet to go more than 6 weeks without him ending it and going AWOL for a week or so. I can handle the shut downs. But I find the catastrophising and 'dumping' more difficult and the fact he'll offload to anyone who'll listen which I know has affected people's opinion of me.

It's compounded by the fact that I also have AS/HFA so have my own issues. I find that I get 'stuck' when I know these things are happening; it affects my sleep; I can't eat; I withdraw; I get overwhelmed with the injustice of it all! It affects my concentration at work and even my ability to speak sometimes.

I feel slightly irked that I have had to do an awful lot of work on my own to improve my emotional reactions to things. And "I know, I am silly but I didn't understand!" with a smile is beginning to wear really thin, if I'm honest. It's hard because I want to shout at him and say "well fucking talk to me then if you don't understand rather than dumping me, deleting your email account, blocking me on your phone". Although, in reality, I know that he is so overwhelmed by his emotion that all he can think of is how to stop it (dumping/blocking/deleting) and that he thinks he has understood until he's processed it fully a week or so later.

This has improved hugely recently so I feel I ought to balance this all with an acknowledgement that a) he was diagnosed as an adult b) he has not had any involvement with adult autism support services so has just been muddling through on his own and finding his own way to deal with things c) he is obviously working at it now, with my support.

The problem for me is that it's at the point at which he is beginning to take control of it and to manage it appropriately is also the point at which I find my ability to 'tolerate' it is waning. I'm a bit worried that he will reach a point where it's managed/manageable and that's the point at which I'll end it. The impulse to end it, walk away and 'burn bridges' is overwhelming at times.

One of the things I love about him is that he is honest and open and I can trust him. And he is. I have no doubt about that. The problem is that this means there is no filter at all. Whereas I share very little, he overshares everything. e.g I know all about the intimate details of his toilet habits and his health concerns; and sexual acts he's tried or not and how I compare...

I can deal with the latter but the health issues and toilet habits (some of which are related) are becoming too much for me. He feels that I have a right to know (as his 'partner'), I feel that as, effectively, an on/off girlfriend of a few months I don't want to know! I've told him that I don't have a right to know anything about him and tried dissuading him from telling me but he becomes quite distressed and thinks it means I don't care.

The other side of this is that he expects the same level of openness from me. Now, I'm open and honest in that I wouldn't lie or deceive, but I'm also a very private person and I don't want to talk about things. I don't want to share. But he finds that difficult to take.

The problem is that when we are in our own little bubble and there is no one else around, we get on brilliantly. We can talk about stuff. He has some langugage issues but I give him the space/time to organise and formulate his thoughts so it's not really an issue.

He is honest kind, resiliant, hardworking, compassionate... he has many qualities that I find very attractive and I hate it that his autism might be what finishes us off when I have it myself. His newest thing is that he has dropped everything that might get in the way of him seeing me. We see each other 2 or 3 times a week and around my commitments. He has dropped things so that he never has to say "no, I'm busy" to me because he'd rather see me than do anything else. And he's now spending every night he doesn't see me in the pub drinking because the alcohol makes him feel better about not seeing me and he gets bored otherwise. But this means that I'm now dating someone who is drinking heavily when I met someone who went out a 2 or 3 times a week and had 3 or so pints a time. I roughly estimated that his alcohol consumption has easily quadrupled across the week. I addressed it with him and he eventually agreed but his focus was primarily "Are you saying you don't want to be with me anymore? Do you want to end it with me?" and not the health/social/work implications of drinking that much or coming to meet me for breakfast filthy, stinking and still half cut I find it exhausting.

I have never had a successful relationship with an NT man. I always get it wrong. I also misunderstand/misread intentions. I don't trust NT people because I find the 'game playing' social dance required to be something I just can't do. I also struggle with friendships for the same reason. I don't have any close friends and am in the process of losing the small group of friends I do have because I have, apparently, misunderstood a situation or misread something but I feel like I don't know what to trust - what they are saying, or my own interpretation and I'm unable to explain it to them properly. I have issues at work for the same reasons. I seem to be likeable ("lovely") initially but then I notice people withdrawing from me rather than relationships/friendships/working partnerships growing closer. I've asked peole, watched people, reflected upon myself but I don't seem to be able to get it.

He feels like my last chance. Without him, I'd have no one. He's the only person who texts me, or wants to spend time with me; who cares about me. He feels similarly about me.

There are many excellent and lovely qualities about him. Obviously, otherwise I wouldn't still be with him. But I feel that my role as girlfriend/social support network seems to be morphing into almost a parental role and I'm finding that the need to explain everything and encourage him to take personal responsibility (and strategies for doing so) is killing of my romantic/sexual feelings for him. I feel he has become incredibly reliant/dependent on me and I'm not comfortable with this either.

I know that I've not painted a particularly rosy picture her. I also feel that it isn't really doing him any good. But I don't want to lose him either.

I don't know what to do.

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LogsByTheFireside · 08/04/2018 15:22

Honestly?

The sex is good. He doesn't use porn. It shows. It's like being 17 all over again and having proper, nice, respectful sex.

He thinks I am his best friend because he can tell me anything and I'm the only person who really understands him. But he isn't mine.

I don't believe in soul mates, but I get what you're saying Wink

But yes, I started to suspect a couple of months ago that his 'love' for me is predicated on what I can do for him.

I asked him what his favourite thing about me was the other day. He said the fact that I understand him. I asked him what he loved about me and he said the same. What he 'loves' about me isn't anything to do with me specificially. It's all about me in relation to him; what I do for him; what he gets from being with me.

He was more fun when we were just friends and he wasn't so focused on how he feels about me.

It is heavy and not much fun.

There are so many other things too. It is hard work.

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Juells · 08/04/2018 15:32

Sweet suffering Jesus you have the patience of a saint. You deserve so much more than this. You're too young to tie yourself into being the carer for someone who's so erratic and self-absorbed, no matter what his reasons. You have your own children to think of, he'll hoover up every ounce of your attention and caring, and become jealous of any attention your children are getting.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/04/2018 15:34

Ooh! That sounds less than fulfilling, for you.

And I'm not into soul mates either (but it rounded out my little list Smile ), but my DH is still my best friend after 32 years and I think that's why we are still together. We don't depend on each other, but we both like being half of 'us'.

He doesn't sound as though he can give you that 'other half'. That may not be something he can change, he may not be able to recognise it. But that still doesn't mean that you are obliged to accept it the hard work, especially if you can't identify your reward!

LogsByTheFireside · 08/04/2018 15:44

I suppose my reward is that I don't have to worry about him cheating on me. He's loyal and faithful. But, whilst that's important, it's not the only thing that matters.

I don't think he can change it. His theory of mind is very poor and he can't appreciate my perspective even if I draw pictures to demonstrate it.

I feel like I've given all I can in terms of a 'relationship'. We went out the other night and I felt 'down' all night. Some of it is undoubtedly due to other things going on in my life at the moment but I had to spend so much time reassuring him that it wasn't him; he hadn't upset me; I didn't want to talk about it but that wasn't because of him either; I understand he likes to share things with me, but I'm different; it's not a reflection on him... that I ended up going home and to bed early.

I think this recent health thing and the realisation his drinking had chnaged is the main thing - both cropped up over the past few days. I feel like I'm parenting/guiding him.

Ah shit.

Thanks all. It's really helped me to see it more clearly.

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/04/2018 15:49

Smile That's one the best things about this place. When you get other perspectives that help you reassess things, without any unnecessary pfaffing, judgements or those usual little white lies real life friends are prone to.

I can't imagine being that blunt to a real life friend, I'm not sure they'd be able to talk to me ever again. But on here? It's fine because none of us are 'real', if that makes sense!

LogsByTheFireside · 08/04/2018 15:58

Exactly, Samphire!

Thanks Flowers

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seventh · 08/04/2018 16:08

He doesn't 'judge' me...

But he treats you very very very very badly.

I suppose you have to choose what's most important to you.

seventh · 08/04/2018 16:09

I suppose my reward is that I don't have to worry about him cheating on me

Is that a reason to stay with ANYone? Confused

Juells · 08/04/2018 16:11

He won't cheat on you because no-one else would put up with his shit.

LogsByTheFireside · 08/04/2018 16:15

It felt like it was seventh. It's nice.

But...

Another thing he does is message me incessantly. He's got a lot better at it but if he can see I've read his messages on whatsapp but not replied, then he'll send me more to try and prompt a response.

I get it. If I don't reply, he wonders why. I know a lot of people are like that. Especially if I'm online but haven't replied.

But some of the messages feel quite controlling.

E.g. "I know you're busy online now..." or "I know you're too busy to talk to me..." that kind of thing.

He sent me 2 messages about an hour ago. I know he constantly checks to see if I've read them. I know he does it because I can see by the time but that's part of the obsessiveness. I've just read them, didn't reply because there was nothing to say in response, and he has messaged me again just to tell me that he loves me. It's just to try and get me to reply.

Every night it's "what are you doing this evening?" "what are you doing tonight?" He doesn't understand why I would choose to spend a night on my own rather than with him or why I might want to go out on my own.

It feels very claustrophobic. He says he understands why I want/need time to myself and, theoretically, he does but, in practice, he takes it as a rejection.

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LogsByTheFireside · 08/04/2018 16:16

He won't cheat on you because no-one else would put up with his shit.

Maybe not, but he gets hit on in the pub when I'm not there. If he wanted to have a ONS, it would be easy enough for him to do so.

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Shoxfordian · 08/04/2018 16:17

He sounds exhausting to be around

Life doesn't have to be this difficult

Zaphodsotherhead · 08/04/2018 16:18

It seems a bit like he thinks he's found someone to 'be his girlfriend' and he knows that to keep a girlfriend you have to do certain things. Aren't we always told that you need to be clean and presentable, kind, loyal, compliment them, be good in bed, tell someone you love them?

So it's a bit like he has a check list and he has to check those things off all the time to make sure you are still his girlfriend. Not because he wants you to know how lovely you are, but to make sure that you don't leave him. Everything is focussed on him, almost like you aren't a real person when you aren't with him.

My OH is ASD and has some of these tendencies, but not nearly so badly - and he's wearing at times. You need to friendzone him, by the sounds of it. He's not partner material. Not his fault, but he's just not.

Oddcat · 08/04/2018 16:19

You can be autistic and not very nice. I would stop analysing it , you'll drive yourself potty . Finish with him before you drive yourself round the bend .

Ullupullu · 08/04/2018 16:19

You haven't said your age but I'm certain that you have lots of time to find someone else to spend your years with, not this dickhead. It sounds like you've thought things through rationally and you want reassurance here that leaving him is the right answer... It is!

userabcname · 08/04/2018 16:26

OP, what stands out to me is that you say you don't want to date NT men as you don't like game-playing yet it sounds exactly as though your bf is playing games to get what he wants from this relationship. Checking when you are online, controlling your free time - not to mention the fact he was functioning ok before he met you yet somehow now you feel responsible for his personal hygiene and drinking habits....! Plus how do you know other girls hit on him at the pub? Does he tell you he could easily have a ONS? If so he is definitely manipulating you to feel a certain way. I'd stop making excuses and get out.

AornisHades · 08/04/2018 16:30

You sound like you're both clinging to a deckchair labelled relationship because you think there's nowhere else to go. Neither of you like it but you don't know what else to do.

LogsByTheFireside · 08/04/2018 16:36

Zaphod you've hit the nail on the head. I think that's how I was feeling but couldn't really articulate it.

I couldn't counter a single word you put in your last post. Especially down to the not being a real person when I'm not with him.

E.g. he can't cope if I don't reply to messages immediately.

He dumped/blocked me once because I didn't reply to him for half an hour. I was having a nap. We sorted it out (God, don't know why now) and now he has strategies and he wrote a list of things I might be doing that mean I can't reply to a text - So he doesn't send me more than 3 texts if I don't reply. That's because all he could see was that he'd sent me 25 messages and I'd ignored all of them. The fact he'd sent them all within 35 meetings when I was driving home from work/in the bath/taking a nap, for example, was irrelevant to him.

So I might be in the bath, cooking dinner, talking to someone, at work, driving, in the supermarket, in another room while my phone is charging... there are about 15 things on the list. And it helped. Which is why it felt like all he needed was strategies.

But this is making me realise that he doesn't send those messages now because he is following more rules and not because he 'gets it'.

Ullu I'm 44. I won't meet anyone else. I've never had a successful relationship. Never been loved, never felt 'safe' with any man ever. In fact, I probably feel very much as he has felt with me but I don't 'behave' in the same way. I just walk away and end it when I can't cope. I don't expect them to fix it for me. I'd also resigned myself to being single. It was just nice having the company and someone to do things with.

But even that was dependent on me. I arrange things; I drive; he always pays (partly his contribution and partly because those are also part of the rules)... he is quite clearly relying me to provide a life for him. He's already said he wants me to tell my children about him and to meet my friends and to be involved and part of my life. But he wants to be inserted into my life, not for our lives to merge. If that makes sense. Sad

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LogsByTheFireside · 08/04/2018 16:39

Katniss there is an element of control. Yes, I see that. But it's not 'malicious'. It really is about aleviating his own anxieties and his theory of mind is poor so he can't 'imagine' how it might make me feel.

It's not that he doesn't care how it makes me feel. It's more that he hasn't considered I have feelings. That sounds even worse now.

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AtrociousCircumstance · 08/04/2018 16:41

Too much hand-wringing and agonising over a relationship that is not good for you and won’t improve.

It’s simple. It’s not a good relationship - end it.

LogsByTheFireside · 08/04/2018 16:47

Right. Well I need to do it in person. So will arrange to see him this week and tell him.

Thanks all.

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/04/2018 17:02

Remember to forestall the "Oh buts"

If there is anything of his in your home, take it with you. If there is anything of your in his home, arrange to collect it, or tell him clearly you do not want it back, he should bin it.

Tell him clearly that you will be blocking him on all social media, phone, email etc. So that he should not expect an answer as you won't see his communication.

And any other regular behaviour/habit should also be thought of before you speak to him. You seem to understand his needs and triggers quite well, so retain that saintly patience for one more meeting and end it in a way that you think would be the least equivocal for him.

Then you can walk away knowing you did your absolute best not to leave him hanging onto any false hopes or misunderstandings.

Best of luck!

AtrociousCircumstance · 08/04/2018 17:44

Some good advice I read from another poster on here, on a thread where the OP was v nervous to end a relationship: don’t list why you find his behaviour difficult, don’t talk about his behaviour at all. Just repeat that you don’t want to be in the relationship any more, it’s over, and your feelings won’t change.

Don’t get sucked into long discussions and justifications. Keep it simple.

LogsByTheFireside · 08/04/2018 18:04

Thanks for the advice. I will have to meet him in person. We will likely see each other in the pub so difficult to do a clean break. I am happy to say hi and be polite for his, my and other people's benefit.

Telling him by text would be cruel and he would be confused by that. He needs to see that I am not cross with him but also understand that I am serious. He has said several times that, when he ends it, it's not because he wants to, but because he can't cope with the feelings. I want him to understand that it is not the same for me and that I do mean it. But I want it to be civil. I think he'll actually find it easier to deal with.

I am not going to talk about feelings. The truth is that I still care for him very much but that is not enough.

So it's not because I don't care, and it's not because he's done anything 'wrong' per se, but because the relationship between us is not meeting my needs Sad

Thanks again.

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LogsByTheFireside · 08/04/2018 18:17

I think as well, I have been prioritising him and his needs over me and mine.

It's April now and I haven't even started on some of the goals and things I wanted to achieve for myself this year. That's not just him, there are other things too, but certainly supporting him is taking a lot of my time and emotional/mental energy that I could be using to work on myself...

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