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Honeymoon period is over if there ever was one

57 replies

PookieDo · 03/04/2018 23:29

Firstly I want to make it clear I am in no way complaining about my DP’s devotion to his children in fact I really admire it hugely but there is no denying that it is killing our relationship. I don’t know how to begin to broach this with him either without looking like a selfish witch. I think the answer is to end it but I would like to talk about it and see if anyone has experience?

Backstory, I knew this when I got involved with him 2.5 years ago. I work all week as does he and we live some miles apart. My children live with me all week and they are much older than his children and fairly self sufficient also enjoyable to spend time with and do more grown up activities (staying out past 7pm). He does not seem to enjoy spending time with my family unit very much, he doesn’t do it often and he is present but not engaged with them. He looks bored. He is never available to come to extended family events like birthdays so I no longer invite him. Well I will ask if he is free sometimes and the answer is always no. My family barely know him so when he does see themselves he’s awkward and uncomfortable and I worry the whole time about it. He does his own thing most nights of the week like catching up with friends, he also goes away sometimes.

He has his children all weekend, every weekend. I’ve had some quiet resentment towards his ex for this and he hasn’t put me straight otherwise but I have come to realise that he is choosing and asking for this time and if it gets mentioned by me asking if we could go out one weekend... he gets misty eyes over everything he’s missing out on seeing them grow up so I shut my mouth and feel bad. In my child free time on weekends etc I make the effort to spend time with him and his children on a very regular basis or I just would never see him. I find this Very Boring Too although I try not to show it. They don’t go to bed very early (as it’s the weekend) and I’ve often fallen asleep within 10 mins of them going off, and they have a ram packed calendar that either involves me trailing after them or left at home by myself. For all his misty eyed sadness he complains a lot they make a mess and he’s always stressed out. I also spend time with his family and friends so I have a level of investment going on all round.

Recently I have thought hang on, why do I have no social life anymore?!! and I saw my friends instead on a weekend. This seemed to coincide with a massive fucking sulk that lasted 2 days and he wouldn’t tell me what was wrong.

These posts always end in the sentence ‘he does have other nice qualities’ and of course he does. He’s very generous and can be good company.

There is more to life than socialising but is it selfish of me to not want to spend 7 days a week around children without him sulking about it? This weekend I stayed in one night by myself and although he didn’t sulk he questioned it multiple times and I felt like I had to justify it!

Whenever I think about ending it I keep coming back to the children. It’s not about his children or his parenting choices but it’s really hard to articulate why we just don’t seem compatible when I’ve let it drag on so long.
Any advice?

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TheStoic · 04/04/2018 09:04

Why put yourself through a conversation? Just make yourself increasingly unavailable, until he inevitably starts the sulking routine. Let his silent treatment become permanent.

HonkyWonkWoman · 04/04/2018 09:08

You've just answered your own question there OP.
It is over apart from the conversation.
There's nothing here for you in this "relationship" , you are just a convenience for him. There's more to life than this boring, dreary existence.
Spread your wings!

timeisnotaline · 04/04/2018 09:10

He’s not wrong for caring about his children but he is massively wrong for accepting your investment into his life and refusing to care about yours, and as for sulking... I think you have the right view of it, hope it’s a bit of a wake up call to selfish git!

Roussette · 04/04/2018 09:11

If this was going to go anywhere he would actually want to engage with your children. The fact he doesn't says everything you need to know.

LizzieDarcy1907 · 04/04/2018 09:17

Any man that sulks isn't worthy of a decent partner, and you more than sound like one. He also sounds incredibly selfish, and that's not an admirable quality in anyone. To not engage with your family is horrid. Cut your losses and move on.

RidingWindhorses · 04/04/2018 09:23

If you don't want to take on his children, which is absolutely fair enough in the circumstances, then this is not the right relationship for you.

It's not fair to ask him to take time out from seeing his children when he can, but given that you have older kids, I can understand why you don't want to spend your weekends with someone else's.

The obvious solution is to split.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/04/2018 09:30

Stop and answer one single question:

Does he make your life fun, fulfilled, complete?

Answer: No!

So, whatever the reason you are still 'seeing him' it isn't for your benefit. I wouldn't bother and wonder why, given what you have said, you bother?

LemonysSnicket · 04/04/2018 09:43

That sounds shit and he sounds selfish.

lifebegins50 · 04/04/2018 09:56

it is almost like if he can’t control something (or someone) then he’s absolutely not interested in engaging

If this is your gut instinct then its probadly right and makes sense.Having been with a covert controlling person I would agree that they are not interested unless they can control.It's becoming evident through our dc, post split, the more independent thinking dc get less attention.

S3aSnork3l · 04/04/2018 10:36

I can see what he gains from you, he has his children and you for company at weekends. However, I don't hear from you any adult time spent together, laughter, spontaneity, doing anything fun together. The relationship seems very one sided. I don't think that he has any incentive to change. I agree now is your time for adventures and hobbies at the weekend, so I would go your separate way

PookieDo · 04/04/2018 10:47

We used to do lots of fun things together - maybe not every weekend but at least once or twice a month. We also used to go do something of a week night with my children. Now he doesn’t seem interested.

What makes me think it is control is that he has hobbies and a job where he has to talk to a lot of different people so it doesn’t make any sense at all why he is suddenly seeming shy and quiet around my family. He’s no interest in my friends I feel like I’m losing myself and my friends so this needs to end. I do want to do a gradual fade out it is so tempting! Grin

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Roussette · 04/04/2018 10:53

After two and a half years, he should know your family, your kids and your friends, I can't believe he doesn't. Well I can believe it.. but it isn't right.

Zaphodsotherhead · 04/04/2018 13:23

I think you're right - he has no interest in your life and children. It seems to be all about you putting yourself out for HIS life and children but no reciprocity.

And a pp was right, you are at different life stages. You need to meet someone with kids the same age as yours, or older, so you can do family activities without someone getting bored/hacked off.

Why did his previous relationship break up - anything to do with the sulking? Or was he such an uninvolved dad that he's now trying to prove something to his ex? Because I would have hated to be without my kids every single weekend...

Ryder63 · 04/04/2018 13:27

Hmmm had similar....one ex was seemingly obsessed with spending all the time he could with his son - to the detriment of spending time with me.

His son was living independently, worked, and had a LDR with his GF. He was 25 years old Hmm

S3aSnork3l · 04/04/2018 13:27

I understand that he has children, but every weekend ? To put it another way he sounds boring and I would not spend any more time with him !

NameChange30 · 04/04/2018 13:35

I think the children are a red herring. There are a lot of warning bells ringing for me. This is key:
It is almost like if he can’t control something (or someone) then he’s absolutely not interested in engaging

By refusing to socialise with your family and friends, and sulking if you do your own thing, he is effectively isolating you from them. If you want to spend time with him, it’s at the expense of time with other people in your life. I doubt he’d ever admit to it but he’s subtly and gradually been forcing you to choose him and his children over others in your life.

I think you’ve dodged a bullet tbh. If you lived together I think he would quickly become controlling and emotionally abusive.

PookieDo · 04/04/2018 13:43

I’m off work sick today so in my sick bed feeling sorry for myself - things like this I could tell him, and he would be generous and offer to bring me stuff from the shop on the way home from work if I needed but it always feels out of duty and he hasn’t made any effort to visit my house for 2 weeks now and then I already feel like I’m living a separate life anyway

I don’t mind Saturdays or Sunday’s with his kids and that’s understandable as his time. I’m talking about Friday night down the pub or out for a meal. When they are in bed anyway. He could also want to go out to the cinema or dinner or something Monday - Thursday with me/and or my children but Monday - Thursday it’s all Work Work Work and from Friday night till 7pm Sunday evening it’s kids kids kids. There is no space for me or my kids. I can’t invite them to a birthday party or a family dinner if it falls on a Saturday or Sunday, as most things do as he has committed himself to a number of hobbies (with kids)

His ex ended it because he is moody. He is trying to make up for something now

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PookieDo · 04/04/2018 13:49

I’m going to break up with him I am 100% on this now. I was stressed about being ill this weekend and it ruining my opportunity to go out with my friends but so what there will be plenty more.
I haven’t had any contact with him for a couple of days now anyway. I’m just going to carry on as I am in my own life not go over this weekend and if he has a massive sulk then that is his problem not mine

I will miss his daughter a lot though she is lovely Sad

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Mix56 · 04/04/2018 13:56

Letting it fade away is not closure as far as I am concerned.
I think you should tell him. "Look we get on fine, we used to have fun, but it has fallen to the wayside, This relationship is all about you & your kids.your wants & needs. Whereas I do have children, family & friends also. so basically I wish you well, but its no longer working for me.
END OF. it actually sounds like he won't care much.

Ryder63 · 04/04/2018 14:04

Hope you soon feel better, PookieDo Flowers

I think you are doing the right thing by ending it, even if his daughter is lovely! I can't see him suddenly changing. The ex I posted about didn't - he also had no interest in my family, and totally prioritised hanging out with his adult son and his son's mates. Bizarre!

Ryder63 · 04/04/2018 14:06

Excellent post, Mix56

MinaPaws · 04/04/2018 14:08

This isn't what you want long term and you're not enjoying it short term. You have no children together, so untangling yourself should be pretty easy. I'd make a break and allow space in life for what you really want.

Pinkvoid · 04/04/2018 16:19

It’s extremely one sided. You make an effort with his DC and family, he makes zilch with yours. You have your DC all week and imo your weekends should be your own, you shouldn’t then have to help look after someone else’s.

I don’t blame him for having his DC as his main priority in life, it’s great that they are and it is commonplace for NRP’s to have their DC every weekend ime (at least everyone I know does this.) I just think you deserve a social life and to have some ‘me time’ at the weekend.

I would split and in future either try finding someone with grown up or no DC.

PookieDo · 21/04/2018 21:22

Bringing this back up as it’s finally over. I was initially feeling pretty relieved and ok with it but it has suddenly hit me this weekend and I’m just feeling like I didn’t get any closure, and mostly angry.
I feel like I gave so much for hardly anything in return for so long and I at least could have deserved an apology. Instead what happened is that he let me down again and I said this isn’t working and I never heard from him again.
It would have just been a nasty row I’m sure wouldn’t have made me feel better but to not even make any attempt at sorry, or to try anything at all, nothing just makes me feel angry. I deserve better Angry

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Gemini69 · 21/04/2018 21:32

He wasn't invested in you my lovely... don't let his lack of emotion make you feel crap.. you've ended it.. well done.. and you're right.. you DO and will find better Flowers

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