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He says he will never forgive me

66 replies

Pickapart · 13/03/2018 02:31

This is probably going to be quite long. I'm asking for advice as I don't have any close friends I can talk to and I don't have a great relationship with my mum.

DH and I met 13 years ago, we have been married 12 years and have a 4 year old DS. During the first year of our relationship (before marriage) I didn't treat DH well very well. I remained friends with my ex partner of 9 years (the relationship ended 4 years before I met my DH) and I would still speak with him or have a drink with him from time to time, there was absolutely nothing romantic in it and neither of us had those feelings for each other any more. I used to talk (a lot) about what a cool/ great guy he was to my now DH, he was in truth a selfish dick but I really didn't want my lovely and very confident DH to think I was a weak, low esteem doormat who had spent 9 years of her life with a person who in all honesty wasn't good enough even on his best day. Obviously this hurt and upset DH and DH obviously couldn't stand him even though they hadn't met. One day we in a were in a pub together and ex walked in with his friends - I panicked and instead of ignoring him I walked over to say hello and left DH standing alone at the bar. It was a shitty thing for me to do and I did it because I was afraid of a confrontation - I was weak and selfish and I did it to save my feelings rather than think about DH's. To put everything in context XP's sister was also my best friend (since years before XP and I got together) and I was very close to the family. Obviously we had a huge row about what happened, I never really apologised.

DH and I were emigrating overseas and having a leaving party - he expressly asked me not to invite my best friend or her mum (of course XP wasn't invited) as it was about us and not the past. Both of them turned up at the party and it was awful. Another huge row and I didn't really apologise.

We emigrated, married and settled overseas. I cut off all of XP's family. Many huge rows over the years during which I apologised, but the apologies weren't great, I'm not a good communicator really and find feelings really hard to express. (Previous abusive relationship before XP and abandonment issues from parents marriage breakup when little). DH struggled for years with feeling I betrayed him at the beginning when he was giving everything and I was holding back, I wouldn't let go of the past and my friends because I was scared and didn't fully trust him yet. He went onto antidepressants for 6 years and has told me that this was a major contributing factor to his anxiety. He was vengeful for a couple of years post marriage and treated me poorly at times. There was never any infidelity on either side.
I finally gave him a full and frank apology with the true reasons for my behaviour (selfishness, fear, weakness) 10 years later during another Massive fight about it. He said he could forgive now he had a real apology
We had a row a couple of nights ago about sex of all things, he feels he initiates most of the time which he does. I blew it out of proportion and said he was saying I was crap and boring in bed etc, we went to bed on the row and next morning he text to say let's move on and not fight and I sent him a scathing text back saying he couldn't take back what he'd said and I'd never feel the same, we should never have married etc - I know, I'm a dick :( . We had another huge row when he got in and it transpires that he can never forgive that first year and I'll just have to live with it, he says no man could forgive that. He says he has resigned himself to the fact that we are human and not perfect and we have to live with each other's failings ( mine are many I know) and we both have the marriage we deserve. I asked him why he doesn't leave - he's still young enough to meet another and have a great marriage and more kids ( which we wanted but I'm to old now). He said he loves me and he doesn't want a blended family, he's 38 and this is his lot in life, we have to suck it up.

95% of the time we have a great time! I love him, he loves me and we have a nice life together. I don't want to leave him. But this has permeated or marriage from the start. I should have apologised sooner I know, he was hurting and I did nothing to stop that. But if he won't forgive me how can we ever move on - how can I ever be anyone but that person who walked over to her ex and left him standing. I hate the thought he has 'settled' for a marriage instead of being happy. I don't know what to do.

OP posts:
running3 · 13/03/2018 19:59

I really don't think you did anything that wrong in the first place and am angry on your behalf for the way he has held it over you for such a ridiculously long time! Maybe you could have been a little more sensitive but he could have been a grown up. And to make you cut contact with your best friend? Not on. You should be holding it against HIM! However, it's not the time for that. I think you need to realise what you're worth, which is more than this. It's either part of your relationship that you can both tolerate or it's not something either of you can put up with for the next 10, 20, 30 plus years. Counselling sounds like a good place to start. Good luck, I hope you both can move forward. Flowers

disappearingninepatch · 13/03/2018 19:59

Abusive or not, he cannot continue to punish you for something that happened 13 years ago. I couldn't live like that. When I was in a similar position, I said, "I have apologised. If you cannot forgive me, the relationship is over." In your case, OP, I can't see what you did that was so bad.

SandyY2K · 13/03/2018 20:08

People are obsessed with abuse on MN.
^..^

I agree with this.

By the OPs admission it took years to apologise to him.

Not saying he should hold onto it...but I don't think he's abusive.

SandyY2K · 13/03/2018 20:20

So you are with your husband and you then constantly promote the excellence of your ex? And people think this is OK? (its not when men do it to women....)

Absolutely...if it was a gender reverse the man would be called abusive and trying to keep you on your toes and make you feel insecure by praising his EX. Especially when the Ex in question wasn't great.

category12 · 13/03/2018 20:50

This was poor behaviour on her part 12 years ago. If he was going to hold it against her forever, he shouldn't have emigrated with her, married her, had a family with her. If you decide to stay together, you can't keep it as permanent ammunition.

SandyY2K · 13/03/2018 22:32

He probably thought he could or would get over it. It seems he wants to push it aside and move on with life...but it keeps cropping up for some reason.

That's obviously not helpful for the marriage ... but hopefully this can be resolved in counselling.

I have to be honest, if my BF kept on about how great his Ex was...and was continuing to meet her in this manner... I'd be asking why he wasn't still with her if she was so great and I wouldn't have got as far as marriage...as I would have ended the relationship.

category12 · 13/03/2018 22:42

But the ex and her had been split for 4 years and she had kept an amicable relationship: she was best friends with his sister. OK, bigging up the ex to the new boyfriend was weird and inappropriate and untrue. But expecting her to ignore the ex in the pub and not invite her best friend to their leaving do was out of order too.

It should have been closed out a long time ago if they're determined to stay together. It shouldn't just be on the OP to think of ways forward.

SmileyBird · 13/03/2018 22:51

When you went over to talk to your ex in the pub why didn’t your DH come with you?

certificateofauthenticity · 13/03/2018 22:54

My point was only that what happens in the past is in the past, unless it is brought into the present.

SandyY2K · 13/03/2018 22:58

OP.. I think you've shown some insight in recognising where you were at fault.

I used to talk (a lot) about what a cool/ great guy he was to my now DH

In trying to cover your low self esteem...you caused your DH who you described as confident and lovely (at that time) to feel insecure and have a low self esteem...leading to the anti depressants.

I finally gave him a full and frank apology with the true reasons for my behaviour (selfishness, fear, weakness) 10 years later

We had a row a couple of nights ago about sex of all things, he feels he initiates most of the time which he does. I blew it out of proportion and said he was saying I was crap and boring in bed etc, we went to bed on the row and next morning he text to say let's move on and not fight*

He was making peace. He reached out to you to move on...this isn't an abusive man.

and I sent him a scathing text back saying he couldn't take back what he'd said and I'd never feel the same, we should never have married

So in your moment of rage...you were the one who lashed out after he tried to make peace...after you admit you overreacted.

You said you should never have married...no doubt he was very hurt by that and in turn wanted to hurt you back.

Sometimes things escalate and we all say things we later regret.

If you look at those points in bold...it actually could be perceived that you are/were the abusive one. I don't think you are...it's more sensitivity about his comment (about initiating) which led it all to get out of hand.

I'm just giving a balanced view it...rather than comments like "He's a twat...He's a dick...he's abusive...He's manipulative"

I don't believe any of those things to be the case here.

Good luck.

SandyY2K · 13/03/2018 23:06

When you went over to talk to your ex in the pub why didn’t your DH come with you?

It's quite obvious she didn't want him to come. She walked away and left him at the bar.

I certainly wouldn't follow my BF/DH if he walked off leaving me at the bar to talk to his Ex.

RidingWindhorses · 13/03/2018 23:06

Oh ffs Sandy.

Man absurdly over-reacted to gf talking to ex in bar. Irrationally barred bf from a leaving do. Can't 'forgive' minor issues. He is highly insecure and very controlling. He's 'vengeful', treated OP badly. He has major emotional problems. This forgiveness bollocks is simply an emotional stick to beat OP with.

How much of this mistreatment and absurd behaviour are you prepared to take OP?

He needs therapy, but alone not couples because he will try to manipulate joint therapy sessions.

RidingWindhorses · 13/03/2018 23:07

saying he couldn't take back what he'd said and I'd never feel the same, we should never have married etc - I know, I'm a dick

No, you're right.

Pickapart · 14/03/2018 00:07

The thing I love about mumsnet is the sheer diversity of opinions and advice - and I thank you all for taking the time to write.

SandyY2K I think you have hit the nail on the head with your post. Thanks for your insight.

I can say with absolute certainty that DH isn't abusive, I haven't been isolated in Oz or cut off from family and friends, we both chose to emigrate together and he is (apart from on this subject), kind, generous loving and supportive. He is often the first to offer an olive branch after an argument.

And to the poster whose wife cheated with her 'friend', what an awful thing to happen to you, I'm sorry you were put through that. It definitely isn't the case in this situation though.

What the advice you have all given has made me realise, is just how bloody ridiculous and overly dramatic it all is! I'm embarrassed just reading it back to myself. It's high time we stopped acting like a pair of teenagers and started behaving like the grown up parents of a small child that we are.

I've booked a joint counselling session for next week and he is happy to attend. Thanks again mumsnetters.

OP posts:
SandyY2K · 14/03/2018 00:19

'SandyY2K I think you have hit the nail on the head with your post. Thanks for your insight.

Your very welcome.

The thing I love about mumsnet is the sheer diversity of opinions and advice

Totally agree ...and what that means is that we all see things from different perspectives.

I often play devil's advocate here (my job requires me to come up with a counter argument in scenarios where conflict is likely) ...because it's useful to be objective and understand something from a different POV.

RidingWindhorses · 14/03/2018 08:59

Husband tells wife she is the cause of all his problems, she believes him, poster asserts the same, wife agrees.

What an incredibly depressing marriage.

Good luck OP, God knows you need it.

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