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My instincts are telling me he`s having an affair (please read these signs for me) long

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Sakura · 07/05/2007 01:31

The last thing I need is another blow now, but I dont want to live with my head in the clouds. Ive had big problems with my mother (see the long-running thread), and then my MIL turned out to be a toxic control freak.
These days I donT know whether im coming or going but think my husband may be up to no good. I really hope Im just being paranoid, but my hunches have proved me right every single time in the past I dont even know if I can leave him even if he is, because I live in a foreign country (his country) where foreigners don`t have custody rights. I would rather stay married to him that get into a custody battle that I would probably lose, because I have no money and his family is loaded.
But anyway, this is what I have seen:

We met in university as mature students in the UK. There were lots of girls in the dorm where we met and we all got along well, and had a laugh. They were from his country. We all kept in touch after leaving, and I would say they are our mutual friends. He communicates with them more than me because they share the same language, and I was closer to some other friends on my course.
I dont have any male friends except for 1 gay friend from school and my brothers because I dont "get" the platonic friendship thing, but I know others do so Ive never minded the fact his friends are girls. Most of the girls including me have got married now. Anyway, the past few months he has mentioning one girl (M) now and again. She has been texting him with her news and things that she has been doing. She recently invited him onto an internet community, where they all share their news. Its not chatting, but more like posting a diary. I cant join because I donT speak their language. M is in her thirties and not married. Shes very attractive, and I would say shes his type. There was a national holiday here this week and everyone gets a week off work. DH told me that M has asked to come to ours for a holiday (we live in a lovely area by the sea). She tends to travel to meet people randomly because she has the money. She often goes to a foreign country or travelling to meet people. I was excited for her to come because I like having guests and showing people around our area. Me and DH were both excited for this visit, and arranged to do loads of sightseeing. AS the time for her to come drew closer, DH started getting lots of texts, sometimes late at night, like 11:30. Once I think he lied to me, saying he was getting special offers from the DVD rental shop, but he forgot that Im also a member, so I would have been getting the text too.
Anyway, she arrived. It was fun showing her around. But once I left the shower and they were on the sofa and they both shifted their position as I got walked into the room, as if they were getting up because I was there. It looked suspicious.
I have 7 month old DD so I was getting very tired looking after her constantly plus the sightseeing. After going to a restaurant one night I was really tired, but they were talking about getting a DVD to watch. It was already 10:00pm, so I said Id go to bed. THey dropped me off with the baby, and went to get a DVD (2 minutes from our house by car). I lied awake in bed waiting for them to come back, and it was about an hour later when they arrived. THey were laughing and joking in the living room, and when I walked in there was no "hi come and join us". They had a STarbucks coffee, so I knew they had been for a drive because STarbucks is miles away. I lay awake pondering all night. The next morning I couldnt look her in the eye. I offered her breakfast, but she said shed rather wait until DH woke up so we could eat together (she is a bit posh like that). I quietly had it out with DH in the bedroon, and asked him how hed feel if I went driving around with a man. He did look genuinely suprised, and said he just thought it was like being a student again, watching DVDs together. SO I cheered up and enjoyed her last day, thinking I was being paranoid.
WE dropped her at the airport yesterday morning, and she texted him in the afternoon to say thanks. He read out the (long) text for me.
Then late last night about 11:30 again, his phone received a message. He tried to ignore it, but I told him "youVe just got a message", He looked a bit suspicious. I looked at the phone and it said her name. I said "go on, read it out then". He read out bits, something about her wanting to meet his mum and dad next time . I couldnT sleep last night again.
This morning I told him I dont trust him and Im watching him with M. He got pissed off and left for work.
His dad has had a long-running affair that the family is just supposed to ignore, so this kind of thing exists in his family BUT he did encourage his mum to leave his dad. She chooses to sweep it under the carpet though.

In his favour:
1]He is in some ways quite innocent- he had no idea I was coming onto him when we met until I planted a kiss on his lips. He just said he never imagined I would be into him.
2]He really cares about what other people think (its his culture) so he may well have been trying to be hospitable when he took her for a DVD.
What do you think on reading this? And what the fuck do I do if he is having an affair, or about to have one?

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SittingBull · 07/05/2007 03:58

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NotQuiteCockney · 07/05/2007 06:52

It sounds pretty innocent to me, tbh. An old uni friend came to visit, he spent some time with her. I'd think that if they were having an affair, they'd have been out for more than an hour.

But your relationship doesn't sound like it's going very well, to be frank. Why don't you speak his native language? Are you tryng to learn it? And is couples counselling an option?

NKF · 07/05/2007 06:55

I think she's very rude if she doesn't send you a card and flowers thanking you for her stay.
You sound as if you felt excluded.

NotQuiteCockney · 07/05/2007 06:56

Oh, has he been unfaithful before? You mention your hunches ...

NotQuiteCockney · 07/05/2007 06:58

Oh, duh, just realised what language your DH speaks, and it's a hard one to learn ... still, if you're living there, presumably you're taking lessons?

zookeeper · 07/05/2007 07:11

sounds a bit dodgy to me tbh - could you not get hold of his phone and read the text messages? I hope I'm wrong

Sakura · 07/05/2007 07:16

Thanks for the replies. I tried to write it down as fairly as possible.
Thanks sittingbull, its true that it could just be "young" behaviour. I hope thats it.

notquitecockney, yes its also true also that our relationship isnT exactly brilliant anyway. It has its good points, but its not the love affair of the century. I think the situation plus whats lacking in our relationship ( a sex life at the moment for example) has left me feeling unsatisfied in general. He phoned me this afternoon, saying that there was nothing going on, and that he would be communicating with her in secret if there was , wouldnT he....I said I suppose so but its not really weird of me to think that its not normal for him to receive texts of another woman late at night. I basically realised on her visit that I don`t really know her or what makes her tick.

He hasnT done anything like this before, but Ive ignored hunches in a previous relationship. Also, I had a big hunch that my MIL was not as lovely and kind as she seemed, but I kept giving her the benefit of the doubt until she showed her really nasty true colours. He didnt really support me very well through that, so I suppose thats where my lack of trust in him is coming from. Ive just had other hunches about general things in the past that seemed absurd at the time so Ive brushed them off, and then Ive turned out to be right.
Anyway, the general consensus on here is that it could be totally innocent. I really really want to believe that, so I`ll play it like that from now on.

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Sakura · 07/05/2007 07:17

x posts with zookeeper. It does seem a bit dodgy though doesn`t it

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zookeeper · 07/05/2007 07:20

Well it does a bit Sakura, but you know him better than me.

It was the text messages that sounded odd, especially that he may have lied to you about getting special offer texts from the DVD shop. You know him better than me but if I were you I would check his messages.

I really hope we're wrong to be suspicious

SittingBull · 07/05/2007 07:23

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NotQuiteCockney · 07/05/2007 07:26

What's gone wrong with your sex life? Is there anything you can do to help improve that?

I agree that it wasn't good of him to lie about the texts. But I can understand why he'd lie, to avoid stress and confrontation ...

Mum2FunkyDude · 07/05/2007 07:30

To be honest, maybe you husband is truly a little naive and M could be coming on to him , without him realising, but you would pick it up, maybe by mentioning it to him you've made him aware of something he wasn't aware of?

BandofMothers · 07/05/2007 07:34

I think it's easy when you run into an old friend to do the things that you used to do when you were friends. It's a way of reminiscing, even if it seems silly when you're grown up.
The texts would irritate me, and I would make him read all of it to prove there was nothing dodgy. If she doesn't have kids, she sounds like a night owl and probably doesn't think 11:30 is very late to send a text. Now I have kids 9:30 seems late
I would try not to get totally paranoid if I were you but just sit down and talk to him like a n adult. Explain that you've just had baby, raging hormones, wonky body confidence(I know mine is) and that you were a bit jealous of his bhvr with her.
You said he encouraged his mum to leave his dad over the affair so he obviously doesn't think that kind of thing is ok for his mum, make sure he knows you don't think it's ok for you.

BandofMothers · 07/05/2007 07:37

And sitting Bull is right, don't beat around the bush hinting about your feelings. IME men don't get hints. Tell him straight, but calmly and nicely, like the loving wife he married.
DH and I spent 8 yrs thinking there was no way the other could be interested so yes Men are stupid that way. Until I told him that I wanted to know how he felt about me cos I was considering moving back home so if he was it might influence my decision.

Anniegetyourgun · 07/05/2007 07:44

Mm, I'm a little more suspicious than others have been so far. I don't suppose it's led to anything yet but could be heading for temptation. The being like a student thing, having fun etc, can be a powerful lure to a man who's a little bored with the humdrum and inclined to take the wife for granted. One day it could be one of those "I didn't want it to happen, it just sort of happened" situations...

What you can do though - I dunno - if he wants to have one he will, there's not a lot you can do about that (chain him in the attic?!). If he is genuinely being naive now is the time to point out to him that you have a problem with this easy, affectionate friendship with a single woman, so that if he doesn't want to stray he can be on his guard. Try not to act like a suspicious paranoid type though as that may push him away. It's a difficult balancing act that I hope your natural instincts and empathy can help with. Rightly, you don't want to stop him enjoying himself or meeting old friends. But late night texts to a married man are NOT APPROPRIATE, however good a friend he is/was, and she should stop that right now.

I don't have experience of this situation, sorry, that's just what it smells like. That he hasn't had one, doesn't at this point mean to have one, but the situation he is in with this woman sounds exactly like the starting point of many a sad story we've read on this forum.

Pixiefish · 07/05/2007 07:49

Doesn't sound like it to me. Sounds like he was being hospitable

powder28 · 07/05/2007 08:02

Havent read entire thread but this 'friend' of his sounds extremely predatory. I would not have her in my house again if it were me. If he didnt respect that then I would seriously consider if we should be together.

warthog · 07/05/2007 08:02

i think you should trust your instincts. i don't think there's much more you can do about what's happened. you've voiced your suspicions and he's denied it. i'd just keep watching for more suspicious behaviour.

oranges · 07/05/2007 08:05

I think its quite innocent, but she was an idiot to make you feel so left out. And his culture sounds like quite a conservative one, so can't you say that it is not appropriate to receive texts form her late at night, and that you would rather he was not alone with another woman. And point out that he never knew you liked him, so he could be blind to other signs too.
And do just sort out your finances and custody rights, not because there is a problem, but because it will stop feeling so shaky and vulnerable over things like this.

oranges · 07/05/2007 08:07

I do think you need to learn the language too as a top priority.

zookeeper · 07/05/2007 08:10

Wher do you live Sakura? What nationality is he?

heifer · 07/05/2007 08:21

I think it sound faily innocent, BUT

I think you should try to save some money so that should anything happen in the future that would make you want to leave, you would be able to..

Also try to learn the language so you won't feel in the dark re texts messages...

SSSandy2 · 07/05/2007 08:38

But if she studied in the UK she speaks English, so she could send you a message in English, couldn't she, why is she always texting dh? I don't like the sound of her TBH but I don't know what to think about dh. he may just have been trying to be a good host.

NotQuiteCockney · 07/05/2007 08:54

If she's friends with Sakura's DH, it makes sense for her to text him, not Sakura, tbh. And it's always easier to communicate in your native language.

admylin · 07/05/2007 09:07

My dh has an old friend from before we had kids, she is very nice and they have something that I can't join in with. Dh helped this friend alot and she has alot to thank him for. I must admit I did feel jealous when he got emails or phone calls from her but in the past few months I've got to know her better and I know she has no romantic inclination towards my dh. Maybe you are having totally normal feelings of jealousy - this woman is still free, single, can travel and holiday when she likes. You can't becaiuse you have a child and are married. That was part of my problem anyway but I've got over it. Last time dh's friend came I realised that she was quite sad that she didn't have a family yet.
Maybe you could email this woman now and then and get to know her better.