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Was it love

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Rahrahcantdo · 11/02/2018 22:26

8 years ago I met somebody whilst married. I’m still married now. The man I met was in process of separating and divorce. We became very bonded and very close. For ages I denied to myself that it was an affair as it was an emotional connection rather than physical although it did eventually get physical before we closed it all down. I told my DH that I was terrified as I had feelings for someone else. For some reason it sort of paralysed him. He didn’t really react and we drifted further apart. It was a living hell at home and so very lonely. All my own making of course. He was in a bad place and very down, career issues and money worries.
This other man was there for me. Endlessly kind. Advice re work, general bolstering up, books to read, music, encouragement with career stuff and he honestly kept me sane, making me laugh and being a kind, tender friend to me. I only really relaxed when I was with him. We’d meet sometimes after work for coffee or he’d pick me up from airport or station when I was travelling with work just so we could chat while he drove me home. He was very gentle and tender with me but also made me cry with laughter at times.

Now let me say I’ve read a lot about this and in allowing this connection to blossom I was being a complete bitch and letting my husband and marriage vows down. I’ve done a lot of work on myself and will feel endless guilt. Me and DH have hung on in there and we are pretty strong these days.

Eventually we came (or rather l) came to our senses and we stopped contact. I haven’t seen him for years. But. There has been email and occasional phone contact over the years. And it immediately falls into an easy sense of intimacy and understanding. He is respectful of my position and he has moved on and has a blended family situation in its infancy.

He did contact me recently to tell me about him moving in with his girlfriend and children. Said that he felt like he needed to tell me and that although he had let it all go he felt that what we had was a one off, that he still really misses me and that for him at the time he loved me very much. He seems to think it was only him but I feel exactly the same.

There was a day that he referred to when he said he didn’t want to ever feel so raw and opened up again. It was the catalyst to us both coming to our senses. The realisation of everyone we’d hurt. I didn’t hear for some time after that. He would send a birthday card to my office on my birthday. He’s never forgotten that and the odd book that he thought I might like, a print for my desk of an artist we’d seen at a gallery.

I’ve at times sought his counsel. I trust him completely. At any time he could have blown my life up but has only ever been kind.

The chemistry between us was insane. I never knew anything like it before or since. The strangest thing was that I had a heightened sense of everything yet my heart rate literally slowed and I felt completely safe and at home. Nothing ever jarred around him.

I still often dream about him.

I wonder if not doing something and being brave at the time will be my biggest regret. Was it just infatuation or was this love?

I’m the meantime I have a family, busy job and kind husband. I should be counting my blessings and I do. Everybody has moved on but I can’t shut down the what ifs completely.

Essay. Delete.

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Offred · 11/02/2018 23:01

The chemistry between us was insane. I never knew anything like it before or since. The strangest thing was that I had a heightened sense of everything yet my heart rate literally slowed and I felt completely safe and at home. Nothing ever jarred around him.

This is how an affair always feels.

It’s not an indicator that this man is right for you. It doesn’t really tell you anything other than that you were in an affair. Affairs are fantasy relationships unencumbered by responsibility or real life. They are always about something inside you and rarely about the affair partner.

I think you need to make a decision re whether you are going to commit to your marriage or not TBH. This is an emotional affair still now, 8 years on, because you still communicate and still have feelings. He felt he should tell you he was moving in with his girlfriend and that means he still sees his primary attachment as with you... pretty shitty for his new girlfriend and her kids...

I think you should completely stop contact with OM no matter what you decide re your marriage TBH as he’s the kind of person that would not only start an affair with a married woman while he was still married himself but he’s also continuing an EA with you while moving in with a new girlfriend.

This says to me he avoids responsibility by living in fantasy. That is not something/someone that you want to attach yourself to.

Rahrahcantdo · 11/02/2018 23:10

I think that’s exactly what I need to hear. Thank you for posting.

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NotTheFordType · 11/02/2018 23:17

Your thread title asks "was it love "

No. You just had the fanny gallops.

SoleBizzz · 12/02/2018 00:13

No just fantasy. This man never wanted you seriously.

user1492877024 · 12/02/2018 00:42

Wow...Sooo romantic.

ferrier · 12/02/2018 10:22

People are quick to say it wasn't love when it's an affair. Well what is love then?

However, love, whatever it is, isn't enough. In your situation, you have to consider the worst case scenario - that you leave your dh, your om doesn't come with you, that you are now on your own and have potentially awkward relationships with both exh and dc. Even if om does come with you things may not work out as you would hope.

Huntinginthedark · 12/02/2018 10:41

Who are we to know if it was love. Only you know that. But it’s sort of irrelevant, you’ve both moved on but both haven’t moved on either.

It’s time to just put it to bed altogether, you didn’t chose to be together for whatever reason and so you just have to get on with life. Dribs and drabs of contact isn’t going to help either of you.
Lots of people love someone that they don’t end up with for whatever reason. It’s sad, but life in general isn’t always what we expected.

Huntinginthedark · 12/02/2018 10:45

also you didn’t chose to be with him, you chose to stay with your husband. So it’s actually quite cruel of you too keep contact, because he clearly believes he loved you.
But you were the one who couldn’t make the leap.

What ever choice you made then, you have to live with the consequences one way or another and put it behind you.

roastpotato87 · 12/02/2018 10:49

Your poor, poor husband.

DarthNigel · 12/02/2018 11:04

You just need to cut all contact with this man. And if he tries to contact you again don't respond. It's not worth it at all, and that's the only way to re-commit to your marriage as that's what you have chosen to do.

yetmorecrap · 12/02/2018 11:40

Im sure it was love, or at least what felt like love. The thing is though we can love many people at the same time, we love our children, we often love husbands and other relatives etc, unfortunately what doesnt work well is trying to love 2 people at the same timein a romantic sense, whilst being in what is usually a monogamous relationship and choices have to be made or calamity ensues. Very hard to cut him out I know but if you wish to remain married to your H, I think you have to do that and its kinder to the other man too, although it might not feel like that, as he is clearly struggling also with not having you in his life.

Rahrahcantdo · 12/02/2018 12:49

Well it did (does?) feel like love. I’m interested in the view that affairs always feel like love.

I was brought up in a religious household and marriage is everything. Giving up is not acceptable and I know this massively influenced me at the time. At the height of it all we made a 5 year plan based on us both trying to make our marriages work and going non contact. I relocated over 100 miles away as a commitment to my marriage. I didn’t take any of this lightly.

Still. In those times when I’ve heard from him it feels like my heart will burst out of my chest. I don’t know if that will go away.

He had a relationship a few years ago and we had maintained a long period of no contact. All the time they were together. After it ended she found my details through my work and contacted me. It was strange, she looks a lot like me and worked in the same profession. She wanted dates when we’d last been in touch etc. There was no overlap. He’d got drunk and told her all about it.

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WizardOfToss · 12/02/2018 15:02

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Rahrahcantdo · 12/02/2018 16:28

Consensus is clear. I find it really sad that it’s not possible to share a friendship but I understand why. He’s often said that he thinks we’ve done really well in the circumstances. There is a bit of self training required I think. It’s weird how we both feel the need to tell the other when something big or sad or happy or proud happens in our lives. He’s had a health issue recently and when I found out I had to do everything in my power to not just leave work and get in my car and drive the 100 miles to give him a hug - but I didn’t. It would be totally overstepping the mark. I did wake up in a cold sweat about it a few times though.

Nowt as queer as folk I suppose. I wonder if infatuation does really last nearly a decade.

I don’t suppose it matters what it was or is - it’s off limits. Which I accept.

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dirtybadger · 12/02/2018 16:42

Do you have many friends? Does he? If he has a partner, and friends (and so do you), I dont see why you need to be there for each other in any capacity. Ever. It is very disrespectful to both of your partners. You are still emotionally invested. If you move work, dont give him your new address. No more cards. No more books. Etc. If you want him, then leave your DH. If you dont have many friends, then I think you need to get some. You can have deep connections platonically which can compliment rather than risk your romantic relationship.

Was it love? I dont know. I choose not to use the word "love" to describe how I feel about anyone romantically. It feels so empty and cheap. Love is just a word for a collection of feelings and behaviours. Its not a special thing. But I think as a prerequisite you must respect one another, and the way you have both (and continue to?) undermine your relationships, despite it being what you've agreed upon, feels like a real lack of respect for each others choices IMO. Sounds like you are using one another.

And yes infatuation can last decades. "The one that got away", etc, etc. But you have to make your choices and you have it all.

NewYear2019 · 12/02/2018 16:45

It may or may not be love, only you can judge I think. I sounds like you both loved each other but whether it was a truth or fantasy I don't know.

I think you need to make a decision that you should really have made and stuck to in the past - either leave your husband or stay committed to him. It isn't fair on him or the OM new partner and children that you and this man are still treating them badly after all this time.

Huntinginthedark · 12/02/2018 17:51

You’ve really got to let him go. No matter how hard it is. For whatever reason you have decided that he is not the person you want to be with
And anything else is just not fair on him or anyone else.
If you don’t want to be with your husband then that’s a separate issue, but this is some sort of odd half life for everyone.

Rahrahcantdo · 12/02/2018 18:14

I have let him go. I moved my whole bloody life to do just that. I encouraged him to date people because he’s an absolute catch and he deserves to be happy. The contact has not been disrespectful to my marriage or to his relationship. It’s life updates from time to time. A funny story or a shared link to something political. A card on a birthday. An occasional email exchange. When he told me he’d had a thankfully treatable diagnosis a phone call. This is over a period of years with prolonged periods of no contact. I’m not some harlot out to sabotage his happiness. I want him to be happy. I’d be far more miserable if I thought he was hurting.

We sometimes ponder if it would have been better all round had we never laid eyes on one another but honestly I wouldn’t give up what it felt like to have that connection with another one human being. I’ll always be glad that I met him but I have given him up. It was hideous.

Now it’s a bit bitter sweet but I know we are over and there is no going back.

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Huntinginthedark · 12/02/2018 18:42

I meant more emotionally. It’s a tough one. Sometimes we don’t end up with the person we really love.
I don’t think you’re some harlot at all. It’s a sad situation to be in. For everyone
But, make sure you’re staying with your DH for the right reasons, we do only get one life. You don’t want to be on your deathbed filled with regret.
I wonder if this has come up for you because he is moving on, that in itself is hard to deal with. Which is understandable

Rahrahcantdo · 12/02/2018 19:37

I’m sorry. I see what you’re saying. I don’t know what’s happened- this thread has flung open floodgates and can’t stop the tears.

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Huntinginthedark · 12/02/2018 20:30

Sorry op. life’s a fucker sometimes x

Rahrahcantdo · 12/02/2018 20:44

Ain’t that the truth.

Thanks everyone for the advice. I promise to reflect on it and take it on board. Arghhh.

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PinotMwah · 12/02/2018 21:01

I'm going to go slightly against the grain here.

I'm not saying you should leave your husband either.

But whatever this was it clearly affected both of you a great deal. Maybe it was love, maybe it was "fanny gallops" as someone so delicately put it. Only you and he know.

But bear in mind that for understandable reasons there's a default assumption on the relationships board that any affair of any kind is automatically a short-term triumph of lust over love and should be stamped down and over-ridden.

I think in the overwhelming majority of cases this is probably good advice -- affairs hurt a lot of people and can create life-changing collateral damage and I don't want to minimise this.

But occasionally people do genuinely fall in love when married to/cohabiting with other people. I'm the product of an affair which turned into a 50-year, happy marriage. It wasn't easy for anyone concerned and did cause a great amount of heartache. But my parents were unquestionably happier together than with their previous spouses and ultimately it was the right thing for them to be together.

It may well be that you stayed with your husband because it was the right thing to do and that you should stick to this path. But this relationship, whatever it was, has clearly struck a significant chord for both of you.

I don't want to make your life more complicated or prompt a rash decision. I think you should probably get some counselling on this one. But I do think the fact that you and this man have remained in one another's lives and thoughts so reliably albeit at a distance against such tough odds is something to ponder before you dismiss it as lust.

Huntinginthedark · 12/02/2018 21:06

I’m with @PinotMwah on this
Put much more succinctly than I managed.

Rahrahcantdo · 12/02/2018 21:42

I should not have picked at this scab. It feels that a distant door has slammed shut with him so definitively moving on. The silly thing is that the choice was made long ago so WTF does it hurt like this now? And I’m happy for him. I really am.
At the point of closing things down back then things had started to spiral. There had been a night together of no sleep, pent up feelings and lust and tears and raw emotion. It was too much and oh my god the guilt. I pushed him away. Nothing physical happened again after that. When he wrote to let me know about moving in he said that he went back recently to the city where it happened and to an event on the same street. He said that it made him feel a bit mad and overwhelmed and like it hadn’t happened at all. He said it made him want to know that it wasn’t only him that had felt all of it. It wasn’t.
I shouldn’t rake it all up. I shouldn’t be spilling it all out. Urgh.

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