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Was it love

54 replies

Rahrahcantdo · 11/02/2018 22:26

8 years ago I met somebody whilst married. I’m still married now. The man I met was in process of separating and divorce. We became very bonded and very close. For ages I denied to myself that it was an affair as it was an emotional connection rather than physical although it did eventually get physical before we closed it all down. I told my DH that I was terrified as I had feelings for someone else. For some reason it sort of paralysed him. He didn’t really react and we drifted further apart. It was a living hell at home and so very lonely. All my own making of course. He was in a bad place and very down, career issues and money worries.
This other man was there for me. Endlessly kind. Advice re work, general bolstering up, books to read, music, encouragement with career stuff and he honestly kept me sane, making me laugh and being a kind, tender friend to me. I only really relaxed when I was with him. We’d meet sometimes after work for coffee or he’d pick me up from airport or station when I was travelling with work just so we could chat while he drove me home. He was very gentle and tender with me but also made me cry with laughter at times.

Now let me say I’ve read a lot about this and in allowing this connection to blossom I was being a complete bitch and letting my husband and marriage vows down. I’ve done a lot of work on myself and will feel endless guilt. Me and DH have hung on in there and we are pretty strong these days.

Eventually we came (or rather l) came to our senses and we stopped contact. I haven’t seen him for years. But. There has been email and occasional phone contact over the years. And it immediately falls into an easy sense of intimacy and understanding. He is respectful of my position and he has moved on and has a blended family situation in its infancy.

He did contact me recently to tell me about him moving in with his girlfriend and children. Said that he felt like he needed to tell me and that although he had let it all go he felt that what we had was a one off, that he still really misses me and that for him at the time he loved me very much. He seems to think it was only him but I feel exactly the same.

There was a day that he referred to when he said he didn’t want to ever feel so raw and opened up again. It was the catalyst to us both coming to our senses. The realisation of everyone we’d hurt. I didn’t hear for some time after that. He would send a birthday card to my office on my birthday. He’s never forgotten that and the odd book that he thought I might like, a print for my desk of an artist we’d seen at a gallery.

I’ve at times sought his counsel. I trust him completely. At any time he could have blown my life up but has only ever been kind.

The chemistry between us was insane. I never knew anything like it before or since. The strangest thing was that I had a heightened sense of everything yet my heart rate literally slowed and I felt completely safe and at home. Nothing ever jarred around him.

I still often dream about him.

I wonder if not doing something and being brave at the time will be my biggest regret. Was it just infatuation or was this love?

I’m the meantime I have a family, busy job and kind husband. I should be counting my blessings and I do. Everybody has moved on but I can’t shut down the what ifs completely.

Essay. Delete.

OP posts:
Ivgotasecretcanyoukeepit · 12/02/2018 21:46

@Rahrahcantdo I feel desperately sad for you. I felt the way you do about my now DH and yes our relationship was the result of an affair but we are crazy in love and iv never loved anyone the way I love him we tried to stay apart but we couldn’t.

If you and him feel this way after all of these years is it not a possibility to leave your husband and then see if a relationship is possible?

Huntinginthedark · 12/02/2018 22:02

It seems like you’ve suppressed it for a long time, so maybe spilling it all out is a good thing
Have you thought about counselling, I personally don’t think that people fall in love with someone else, unless they’re really unhappy. (I’m sure I’ll get shot down for that) but actually truly loving someone is different from having an affair

I don’t beleive in matyring yourself personally.

I’ve said before that my father didn’t end up with the person I think he truly loved mainly to keep the family together, he’s very old now and I think there is a lot of regret in his life. My parents marriage didn’t work out in the end because it wasn’t ever going to. And he’s very alone now.

GottadoitGottadoit · 12/02/2018 23:57

you and this man have remained in one another's lives and thoughts so reliably albeit at a distance against such tough odds

Eh? What tough odds? You hardly have to climb a friggin mountain to send the odd e mail.

And yes, I do think you can maintain infatuation over 10 years if it allows you to feel all breathless and Brief Encounter ish over what would otherwise feel like a dull life.

ferrier · 13/02/2018 00:03

From what rahrah says, their relationship was rather deeper than infatuation. An infatuation would not be feeling this deeply the loss or moving on of the other person.

Gemini69 · 13/02/2018 00:07

reading your Thread left me feeling bereft ... not for you.. but for your Husband.... Hmm

dirtybadger · 13/02/2018 00:14

I disagrew that its not disrespectful to your DPs.

My DP/I am in contact with ex's, because they're mutual friends, but I would be really hurt if they were talking nostalgically about the good old days as you describe. And it would be totally inappropriate for me to be discussing my previous romantic or sexual relationship with them. Im surprised that you wouldnt be hurt by your DH having the same sorts of conversations? If you wouldnt mind, fine, but I think most people would.

Maybe Im just a cold horrible woman, but I couldnt be with my DP if I found him crying over another woman from years gone by (understandable if he was a widower or something but not quite the scenario youre in).

gillybeanz · 13/02/2018 00:30

Eh, it's like Mills and Boon here tonight. Grin
I love a good Romance, with real life like characters

G120810 · 13/02/2018 01:06

I think it's love it's been 10 years he sends you birthday cards etc tells gf all about u and the way u talk about him u would do anything for him why stay with your husband he doesn't make u feel like this u only live once put u're hubby out his misery he will probs move onto something better and be with this if it works it does if it doesn't then at least u would have ure answer why go through life thinking what if yes u had affair it was wrong but what if out that bad thing u found a gd thing I'll only regret that u never found out why be in a marriage just because u grew up in a religious household well it can't be that religious if you comitted adultery so the argument that u have to stay in the marriage cause of this is irrelevant ure husband is probably missrable as well

overnightangel · 13/02/2018 01:10

I feel sorry for your husband.
“ I told my DH that I was terrified as I had feelings for someone else. For some reason it sort of paralysed him. ”
Wonder why 🙄
You sound incredibly selfish

FuckItPassMeTheWine · 13/02/2018 01:16

Leave your husband , he doesn't deserve second rate feelings from someone who cares for another in the way you explain.

Take a break from relationships and have some time alone to get over things .

Offred · 13/02/2018 08:52

IMO neither of these men are right for you.

You have been pushed into a marriage that isn’t right for you by your religious culture. The affair has been a way of escaping confronting that. And yes, the affair has been going on all this time because you are still sharing a level of intimacy and having feelings that are inappropriate when you are married.

The feelings you describe for OM, well, they aren’t love. You can’t tell whether they are love or whether this guy is a manipulative abuser who has spotted your vulnerability and is exploiting it because it is an affair, as I said, not real life...

You can’t just decide to move away and stay in contact with OM, do no work on exploring yourself and what you got from the affair etc

Offred · 13/02/2018 09:11

FWIW the reason I say an affair rather than love is because really love is a verb, it’s mutual actions. It can’t exist outside of reality, it can’t exist where people don’t know each other’s real selves. In an affair the relationship is not in the real world and the two people involved in the affair are not being their real selves.

It can feel so overwhelming because affairs are always about something inside the participants. For some it is just avoiding vulnerability by shitting on commitment/loyalty, for others it is that a piece of their existing life is missing and an affair is a quick and easy way to avoid taking responsibility for filling that piece themselves.

For you, I think it is something missing from your life TBH. Getting that missing piece filled by the affair means you completely neglect the rest of your life and get deeply focused on the affair as ‘the answer’ contact with the OM/OW becomes like a drug addiction but actually it keeps you stuck because the affair never actually meets the need inside you, it creates a lot of pain and disruption in your life along the way too. It actually makes things worse, but you keep going back for another hit as a result of feeling worse and seeing the affair as the solution.

This is what you are doing now.

And you need to be keenly aware that as a person who is vulnerable, you are at much greater risk of ending up with a manipulative abuser if you ever did try to bring this relationship into the real world.

BanyanTree · 13/02/2018 09:34

A man who cheats on his wife and DC is not worth having. A man who then goes on to contact you when he is moving in with another women and her DC is a complete shit of a man.

I bet you are not the only vulnerable woman that he has on the stove simmering. Even though I feel sorry for you, you are hurting your DH and DC and anyone else OM is involved with. In the end you will be the one who loses out, not him.

It sounds like you are unhappy with your lot. This other man seems like your knight in shining armour in your mind. It is highly likely he is a user and a chancer.

Huntinginthedark · 13/02/2018 09:35

I think you can love someone and them not be there. You can love someone who is dead. You can love family members who have emigrated and you’ll never see again.

I think it’s rubbish that you can’t love someone if they’re not in your daily life.

There are lots of complicated reasons people have affairs or fall in love with someone else (I don’t believe they are mutually exclusive)

as I’ve said before I think there are some much deeper issues for you around your marriage and your life.

But I would never be so arrogant to tell another person on the internet that their love isn’t real love. no one lives another persons experiences and no one knows the truth. No one can say 100% of all affairs have no love in them fact. Because it’s not a fact.

purpleviolet1 · 13/02/2018 09:38

OP life is too short. I think you and other man should try and make a go of a relationship. If you are scared or you feel reluctant then close it away for good. Either grasp it with both hands or throw it away forever

I really feel for your dh but this is life. Shit happens

purpleviolet1 · 13/02/2018 09:39

You owe it to your dh to leave him if your feelings are that strong and give him another chance to find happiness with someone else

Offred · 13/02/2018 09:42

Yeah, people who have emigrated or who have died you love because you had a real relationship with them in the first place...

An affair is most definitely not a real relationship, hence love not being possible. If you leave your partners and start a real relationship it is possible for love to grow then but most relationships that began as affairs end up breaking down.

GiveMyHeadPeaceffs · 13/02/2018 09:53

I think @PinotMwah is spot on tbh. Thanks for you, OP, as I think things are tough for you and you've a lot of thinking to do.

Huntinginthedark · 13/02/2018 09:57

What is a real relationship!?. Lots of marriages aren’t real relationships

Just because you wash someone’s undies doesn’t mean you have some greater connection.
I agree love grows when you’re with someone doing day to day things, and when you’re tested in the tough times.

But actually I think an affair situation can intensify your need to really think hard about that person and wether you truly do love them. You’re not just pootling along blindly, so many people on here say “I thought my husband loved me and then I got ill and saw his true side”

Lots of affairs don’t work out, but lots of marriages don’t work out either

Offred · 13/02/2018 10:12

I didn’t say anything about washing underpants... Hmm

If you read what I said was about knowing each others’ real selves. In an affair you do not know each others’ real selves.

And you are entirely correct that marriage has no inherent relationship with love. I never said it did TBF.

Offred · 13/02/2018 10:16

You can certainly say ‘I think this person could be right for me and I want to see if this relationship could survive and thrive in the real world’ but that is not love, it is attraction.

diodati · 13/02/2018 10:17

What is the point of living in a dead marriage? I'm playing devil's advocate here but if you love the OM, give it a shot. Does your husband deserve to stay bound to a wife whose commitment is governed by religious and social dictates rather than by devotion? It really depends on your personality; whether you are governed by your heart or your head. The sensible thing to do is to keep your nose firmly to the grindstone of duty and sacrifice. The crazy, romantic, joyful, you-only-live-once personality will follow her heart. Think carefully and considerately before deciding what you really want and what the consequences of either choice might be.

Offred · 13/02/2018 10:18

To give a relationship that started out as an affair the best chance of working you would need to realise that everything that has gone before is not a foundation to build upon. That you would need to spend time getting to know each other’s real selves and real lives and this is often impeded by the fall out from the ending of your previous relationship.

Huntinginthedark · 13/02/2018 10:54

Offred I do agree with you! I just used the washing pants thing as it’s often brought out on here that you don’t know someone until you do that.
I just don’t agree that you can’t love someone until you’re in a proper relationship with them.

Offred · 13/02/2018 11:12

This is all my opinion, but;

I don’t think love is a feeling about someone else inside your own self. This IMO is more appropriately called attachment/attraction.

The essence of love in a romantic relationship is distinguishable from; unconditional and one sided love you may have for a child, intimacy and history you may have with a friend and familial bonds you may have with family.

In a romantic relationship equality and mutuality are of the utmost importance, and loving behaviour is much more conditional because the level of intimacy expected in romantic love is much greater.

People frequently confuse love for a partner with attachment, attraction, intimacy etc but it’s equally about what you give to someone else and what you take away.

This is exactly how people get into shitty relationships; ‘I’ve never felt this way about someone before’, which speaks to an attachment which is not necessarily anything to do with love, people can form attachments to others in all kinds of ways and sometimes the very strongest and most overwhelming attachments are the opposite of love.

When someone is blindsided by an attachment, they are totally blind to the fact they may not be receiving basic things like respect, loyalty, honesty, commitment, self-sacrifice etc etc which are the foundation stones of love.

‘Why do I love him when he treats me badly?’ You don’t, you are attached and you are confusing that with love. You may be loving him through your actions and behaviours in the relationship but no-one is loving you, not him and not yourself, this means it is not love.

‘Why do I feel so strongly for my affair partner?’ Because of intermittent re-inforcement, because it is giving you something you haven’t acknowledged you need/want (whether that is excitement and intimacy or a desire to avoid intimacy/vulnerability), often because you affair partner is an asshole who likes to keep you dangling and addicted...