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Dad in need of advise

45 replies

orangerman · 28/01/2018 10:33

I don't know how to start this, but I thought I asked the mum's of this forum for help, as my Wife regularly uses this platform, and has even helped me better understand the women's mind.

The story starts with me, being a loser at least 8 years ago before I met my wife. Having no backbone, constant white lies, and a very bad smoking habit. There is no excuse for any of it.

Getting married 8 years ago, started a long process of improvement in my life. I feel I have since grown up. I understood my responsibilities, seen flaws in my habits and my persona.

Over the years, I have come to better understand my wife. And discovered from her and through her eyes seen my flaws. Initially reluctant, first thinking my Wife was controlling, but realizing that it was me that was at fault and had to change.

Habits included smoking weed every day, lies about everything small, not including my wife in important decisions, especially those that affected her.

Examples of this, my parents, most likely being the major issue. I have jumped to their defense way too often, forgiving them to many times.

Even if they have wronged. i.e turning up when it suits them, plotting against my marriage, and worst not keeping promises to my son, for simple days out. In fact not showing genuine love me, my wife or my son. My Mother is the worst for this. It took me up until last month, to cut them out of my life. Even my brother who understands my parents, but acts like I was 8 years ago and agrees, but takes no action.

I am in business, and have made some stupid mistakes with People, mainly business partners. And it is not like I have been warned by my Wife, stupidly thinking that her logic was not sound, and went against it. It was only a year ago that I changed my thinking, and follow closely my Wife's superb skill of understanding people.

My wife and I now argue about once a month, and usually, as always they are not pleasant. My wife got angry, generally rightfully so. But I always felt that her anger was extreme, name-calling, hitting, throwing and breaking stuff. The justification was that I triggered or done something, so was to blame. In all honesty, got blind-sighted by this extreme way of showing the anger.

Initially, before last year, I reacted negatively too, and started shouting or raising my voice in defense. I realized a year ago, that this would never work. So since, just kept calm and never showed my anger, just try to speak calmly and logically. This never worked either, and my Wife still showed the extremes in her actions.

It took me at least 6 Months to figure that I had to understand her emotionally, show that I do not disregard or invalidate her feelings. This actually reduced our arguing by half.

Since I have been trying just to focus on myself, eating well, smoking less, concentrating on providing for my family, being supportive at home, and spending more quality time with my family.

I feel as a person, that I am far away from the rat I used to be. I now even started seeing a counselor, for the last 2 months.

The start of December last year, I decided to do everything I possibly humanly can to make myself a better individual, soul and body.

Since then, I now exercise 4 times a week, practice and learn French, taekwondo, and follow a healthier diet. I as the start of the year, reduced my smoking vastly. Even my weed habit, coming to understand from my Wife, that smoking caused issues. Like smoking constantly - not being normal in society, neighbors being aware, possible negative influence on my son, even though I never smoked in front of him.

So for the last month, and the first time in many many years decided to consider this. I stopped smoking every day, and since December 24th have only smoked weed 3 times, once with the boys, and twice at home in the Garden. But I did one thing that I would state was deceptive, I did not do it at all in front of my wife, whereas - previously I never hid it.

I had many friends that hid it from their wifes, smoking with the boys, but spraying aftershave, changing clothes, washing face, I even had a very professional friend, who would buy eyedrops, just to hide the fact. In the previous years, I use to lecture him, to be himself and not hide this from his wife, thinking it as deceitful.

I wake up at 5am for work most days, and work from home. My family being asleep and neighbors being asleep, I twice smoked weed, one on the 11th and one today. With the boys, I shared one on a Friday while playing poker with them.

But this morning, she woke up early and came down and saw me smoking by the garden, she asked if it was weed and I said yes.

She got angry and said I was disgraceful. I felt massively guilty. I know it was decite. I did not lie, but was not upfront.

I never said I would quit, but chose to reduce it from my life for my families and my own well being.

I kept it hidden but did not lie. And in doing so, my Wife seemed happier, I did not get blamed for ruining her life as previously. It seemed like a placebo effect. And as I massively reduced smoking pretty much, I was happier with myself, as my wife seemed happier, more flirty and more energy to enjoy each other.

I even consciously decided to involve my wife, in business agreements, or structuring where it involved personal relationships. I have to admit she is good at understanding true nature of people, and I am happy to take on her advise and follow it in this regard.

But as of this morning due to her seeing me actually smoke, she swore, raised her voice, said I deserved being hit. A lot calmer than previous arguments, but still very unhappy.

I said I had been deceitful and I am sorry. I kept calm, I had not lied, but more hidden it. I explained the reasons, as above.

I feel that I am a mans man, and though I respect my wife, I still feel that I am an individual. But that individual is no longer a boy and understands that I share a life with someone I love very much. I will always aim to improve, in money, in health, and in relationships. I understand the importance of this. But the boy in me feels that this is controlling behavior and that she will never be happy unless I give complete control. I may be wrong and please tell me if I am. As much as any strong man or woman, I want to evolve and will keep on evolving improving myself.

I dont refuse to quit smoking, I may or may not. But that is not as black and white as that. I want to improve and set a schedule in my life and stick to it with action. I no longer say what I am going to do, like previous years, i,e I would say I am planning to exercise or plan to eat better or earn more money. I just do it now. I like being a man of action now and it suits me.

The issue is that my wife expresses unhappiness during these arguments, blames me for everything wrong in the relationship and how the entire relationship was a mistake, but only during these once a month arguments. Other times, she is truly an amazing woman, she keeps the house together, does the most important job in the world with being a full-time mum to my son and more. We communicate, talk, watch and do things together.

I share the household burden, cleaning in the morning, cooking breakfast, and recently pay the costs involved in having a cleaner and a cook, that my wife sourced. Though this is a very recent occurrence. But the aim to have more time with each other, and also allow my wife to have more freedom to explore her dreams and goals.

I know this has wronged her, but how do I explain my feelings to her, without her misunderstanding me.

I feel sometimes that she is an unhappy, in these moments of major anger, she threatens to leave me, divorce or even cheat (though I doubt she really feels this way - I really don't know).

Just really looking for advice and other peoples experiences, so I can better my families and my life. Any opinions will be greatlfully received.

OP posts:
Fairenuff · 28/01/2018 10:35

tl;rd - man smokes weed, wife doesn't like it.

Should he quit?

OP I say, yes, quit the weed.

Pickleypickles · 28/01/2018 10:45

Is there anyway you can summarise that? There isnt enough hours in the day sorry.

WizardOfToss · 28/01/2018 10:59

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LadyLoveYourWhat · 28/01/2018 11:03

Your wife sounds very controlling - you have made some very positive life changes, but she sounds pretty abusive in the way that she attacks you and needs to be involved in all your decision making.

Here are some helpline numbers I found on the NHS website:

Men's Advice Line free on 0808 801 0327 (Monday to Friday 9am to 5pm) or ManKind on 01823 334 244

Maybe speak to them to see what they think?

Cricrichan · 28/01/2018 11:08

Bloody hell. Are you sure she's not just reached the end of her tether through listening to you go on and on and on. Are you usually like this? Is this what smoking weed does to people?

Ruddygreattiger2016 · 28/01/2018 11:09

Your wife sounds at the end of her tether and you are still smoking weed and still making excuses about it blab blah blah.
She understands you very well and when she mentions divorce she probably is considering it, and who can blame her.

Emmageddon · 28/01/2018 11:12

You've successfully cut down your smoking habit, why not take the final step and stop altogether? It sees to me that the smoking is the main problem in your marriage. I don't blame your wife for being pissed off - hiding the fact you are still smoking, no matter how infrequently, is still deceitful. Be a role model to your son, quit weed, and keep on with the self-improvement programme.

Trying2bgd · 28/01/2018 11:18

Congrats on all the positive changes you have made in your life.

Your wife clearly is worried about the drugs, she knows what they can do in the worst case scenario. For her it is a black and white decision. I get the feeling the post is so long as you want us to tell you it’s ok, this one small vice is fine as you’ve done so much and are so great. Perhaps you are but the reality as a pp has said this is something you and your wife need to discuss honestly. If you can’t and won’t give up then tell her and work from there. Her anger probably stems from all the worry and support, she is exhausted and it all comes out in one outburst.

Myddognearlyatethedeliveryman · 28/01/2018 11:18

If you yourself know weed is the last thorn in your relationship then it really has to go doesn't it?

LadyLoveYourWhat · 28/01/2018 11:20

If you were a woman, writing

"My husband got angry, generally rightfully so. But I always felt that his anger was extreme, name-calling, hitting, throwing and breaking stuff. The justification was that I triggered or done something, so was to blame. In all honesty, got blind-sighted by this extreme way of showing the anger."

I think the responses would be very different. Please talk to someone.

TheStoic · 28/01/2018 11:23

Why do men write such interminably long posts? Even with no other information, I would know this was written by a man.

Quit the weed, then report back.

Casmama · 28/01/2018 11:28

I think your wife hitting you and saying you deserve to be hit is an issue that you need to address and get support for.
You seem to work long hours and if I’ve picked this up correctly your wife is z stay at home mum of one with a cook and a cleaner?
I think you do need to stop smoking weed to enable you to think a bit more clearly. Continuing with the counselling is probably useful too.

Casmama · 28/01/2018 11:30

Totally agree Ladylove and the posters coming on to moan about the length of the post are pretty shitty too

maras2 · 28/01/2018 11:30

Man's man - tosser
Weed smoking - loser
Doing stuff 'with the boys' - Are you 12?
So, what's not to love? Hmm
Saying that, though, your wife shouldn't be hitting you tempting as it may be.

marvelmummy13 · 28/01/2018 11:40

I can't believe some of the posts here. Like someone else said if a woman wrote half the things that he had we would be calling him all the names under the sun

NOONE and ill repeat noone deserves to be hit called names etc etc man or woman what this woman is doing is manipulative blaming you for her mistakes. You've been making positive life changes and making all these changed what changes has she made

And as for people stating why men make long posts? Probably because the majority of men cant talk to their buddies about their missus beating them up without feeling like a lesser man maybe this is his first rant and he needed to get it all out there .

I feel so upset for you OP and hope your realise that no matter what your flaws or mistakes you don't deserve to be treated like shit.
My other half and I have a child and have been together 8 years I would never ever call him names or hit him and sometimes he drives me nuts

BewareOfDragons · 28/01/2018 11:44

Quit smoking.

Find a way to leave your abusive wife.

JediStoleMyBike · 28/01/2018 11:45

Totally different slant if this was a woman. It would be cries of LTB and hand holds and all sorts.

Fairenuff · 28/01/2018 11:46

If you were a woman, writing

"My husband got angry, generally rightfully so. But I always felt that his anger was extreme, name-calling, hitting, throwing and breaking stuff.

I don't think a woman would write that. There have been posts where women have had a tendency to look to themselves to solve the problem but 'rightfully so' is not something I've seen here except once when, again, it was a man posting about his wife, asking him to 'berate' her.

Likewise a woman would probably not say 'I reacted negatively too, and started shouting or raising my voice in defense' as we all know that shouting is not a defensive position and not likely to diffuse a situation.

I think OP is after some sympathy and whilst everyone will tell him that aggression and violence is not acceptable, there are other problems to be addressed.

What are your reasons for insisting on smoking weed OP, other than you want to or you don't want her telling you what to do. If it really is having such a negative impact on your relationship, why don't you quit? Is it just stubbornness?

If you had to chose between weed and your wife, which would you choose?

NapQueen · 28/01/2018 11:48

Yet another 42,000 word post that could be a paragraph, two at most.

AnyFucker · 28/01/2018 11:49

Has your wife seen this post yet ?

schmagetti · 28/01/2018 11:57

Too long for me to read it all, yes you should stop smoking weed.

NB - "Better understand the women's mind" Hmm'women' don't have one unified way of thinking. People in general, of both sexes, have different likes/dislikes and tolerance levels. Many people don't want their partner smoking weed. HTH.

orangerman · 28/01/2018 12:51

Thank you all for your opinions. It is really appreciated to see a diverse set of answers.

Just to point out - I would not consider my wife is abusive - just extreme in her occasional anger. I am happy to live with this and don't consider myself abused or controlled. Even though some of you pointed out abusive behaviour, does not mean that I am a victim of it. More of an understanding that she can get emotional and generally with some women in my life, I have seen this as common trend. And for me, forgivable and something I can live with. I am not perfect and there are things that I can live with and some not.

It's not about choosing between something or not, as some posted, it's about tolerance of these differences that makes us human. Take Britexit - is a very good example of this but perhaps a bit of tangent.

But I see now, if either partner is not happy with the opposite partner, they can discuss or move on, but all times should be done civilly.

I appreciate your views, and apologise for the long post before. Just wanted to get the whole story down, so people could advise appropriately- again many thanks to everyone. And if you need any advise, can offer when it's comes to business - relationships are not my expertise, as you can see Grinbut business is.

OP posts:
Fairenuff · 28/01/2018 13:02

If you had to chose between weed and your wife, which would you choose?

It's not about choosing between something or not

Clearly couldn't answer that simple question then. Don't think I'll come to you for business advice.

schmagetti · 28/01/2018 13:06

And if you need any advise, can offer when it's comes to business - relationships are not my expertise, as you can see but business is.

Well, thank goodness we can have your opinion on business, not something women are familiar with you see. We're great at giving "advise" on relationships though, so handy having that extra X chromosome.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 28/01/2018 13:10

But I always felt that her anger was extreme, name-calling, hitting, throwing and breaking stuff.

That is never ok.

If a woman was writing that a man was doing that the thread would be full of LTB.

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