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Dad in need of advise

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orangerman · 28/01/2018 10:33

I don't know how to start this, but I thought I asked the mum's of this forum for help, as my Wife regularly uses this platform, and has even helped me better understand the women's mind.

The story starts with me, being a loser at least 8 years ago before I met my wife. Having no backbone, constant white lies, and a very bad smoking habit. There is no excuse for any of it.

Getting married 8 years ago, started a long process of improvement in my life. I feel I have since grown up. I understood my responsibilities, seen flaws in my habits and my persona.

Over the years, I have come to better understand my wife. And discovered from her and through her eyes seen my flaws. Initially reluctant, first thinking my Wife was controlling, but realizing that it was me that was at fault and had to change.

Habits included smoking weed every day, lies about everything small, not including my wife in important decisions, especially those that affected her.

Examples of this, my parents, most likely being the major issue. I have jumped to their defense way too often, forgiving them to many times.

Even if they have wronged. i.e turning up when it suits them, plotting against my marriage, and worst not keeping promises to my son, for simple days out. In fact not showing genuine love me, my wife or my son. My Mother is the worst for this. It took me up until last month, to cut them out of my life. Even my brother who understands my parents, but acts like I was 8 years ago and agrees, but takes no action.

I am in business, and have made some stupid mistakes with People, mainly business partners. And it is not like I have been warned by my Wife, stupidly thinking that her logic was not sound, and went against it. It was only a year ago that I changed my thinking, and follow closely my Wife's superb skill of understanding people.

My wife and I now argue about once a month, and usually, as always they are not pleasant. My wife got angry, generally rightfully so. But I always felt that her anger was extreme, name-calling, hitting, throwing and breaking stuff. The justification was that I triggered or done something, so was to blame. In all honesty, got blind-sighted by this extreme way of showing the anger.

Initially, before last year, I reacted negatively too, and started shouting or raising my voice in defense. I realized a year ago, that this would never work. So since, just kept calm and never showed my anger, just try to speak calmly and logically. This never worked either, and my Wife still showed the extremes in her actions.

It took me at least 6 Months to figure that I had to understand her emotionally, show that I do not disregard or invalidate her feelings. This actually reduced our arguing by half.

Since I have been trying just to focus on myself, eating well, smoking less, concentrating on providing for my family, being supportive at home, and spending more quality time with my family.

I feel as a person, that I am far away from the rat I used to be. I now even started seeing a counselor, for the last 2 months.

The start of December last year, I decided to do everything I possibly humanly can to make myself a better individual, soul and body.

Since then, I now exercise 4 times a week, practice and learn French, taekwondo, and follow a healthier diet. I as the start of the year, reduced my smoking vastly. Even my weed habit, coming to understand from my Wife, that smoking caused issues. Like smoking constantly - not being normal in society, neighbors being aware, possible negative influence on my son, even though I never smoked in front of him.

So for the last month, and the first time in many many years decided to consider this. I stopped smoking every day, and since December 24th have only smoked weed 3 times, once with the boys, and twice at home in the Garden. But I did one thing that I would state was deceptive, I did not do it at all in front of my wife, whereas - previously I never hid it.

I had many friends that hid it from their wifes, smoking with the boys, but spraying aftershave, changing clothes, washing face, I even had a very professional friend, who would buy eyedrops, just to hide the fact. In the previous years, I use to lecture him, to be himself and not hide this from his wife, thinking it as deceitful.

I wake up at 5am for work most days, and work from home. My family being asleep and neighbors being asleep, I twice smoked weed, one on the 11th and one today. With the boys, I shared one on a Friday while playing poker with them.

But this morning, she woke up early and came down and saw me smoking by the garden, she asked if it was weed and I said yes.

She got angry and said I was disgraceful. I felt massively guilty. I know it was decite. I did not lie, but was not upfront.

I never said I would quit, but chose to reduce it from my life for my families and my own well being.

I kept it hidden but did not lie. And in doing so, my Wife seemed happier, I did not get blamed for ruining her life as previously. It seemed like a placebo effect. And as I massively reduced smoking pretty much, I was happier with myself, as my wife seemed happier, more flirty and more energy to enjoy each other.

I even consciously decided to involve my wife, in business agreements, or structuring where it involved personal relationships. I have to admit she is good at understanding true nature of people, and I am happy to take on her advise and follow it in this regard.

But as of this morning due to her seeing me actually smoke, she swore, raised her voice, said I deserved being hit. A lot calmer than previous arguments, but still very unhappy.

I said I had been deceitful and I am sorry. I kept calm, I had not lied, but more hidden it. I explained the reasons, as above.

I feel that I am a mans man, and though I respect my wife, I still feel that I am an individual. But that individual is no longer a boy and understands that I share a life with someone I love very much. I will always aim to improve, in money, in health, and in relationships. I understand the importance of this. But the boy in me feels that this is controlling behavior and that she will never be happy unless I give complete control. I may be wrong and please tell me if I am. As much as any strong man or woman, I want to evolve and will keep on evolving improving myself.

I dont refuse to quit smoking, I may or may not. But that is not as black and white as that. I want to improve and set a schedule in my life and stick to it with action. I no longer say what I am going to do, like previous years, i,e I would say I am planning to exercise or plan to eat better or earn more money. I just do it now. I like being a man of action now and it suits me.

The issue is that my wife expresses unhappiness during these arguments, blames me for everything wrong in the relationship and how the entire relationship was a mistake, but only during these once a month arguments. Other times, she is truly an amazing woman, she keeps the house together, does the most important job in the world with being a full-time mum to my son and more. We communicate, talk, watch and do things together.

I share the household burden, cleaning in the morning, cooking breakfast, and recently pay the costs involved in having a cleaner and a cook, that my wife sourced. Though this is a very recent occurrence. But the aim to have more time with each other, and also allow my wife to have more freedom to explore her dreams and goals.

I know this has wronged her, but how do I explain my feelings to her, without her misunderstanding me.

I feel sometimes that she is an unhappy, in these moments of major anger, she threatens to leave me, divorce or even cheat (though I doubt she really feels this way - I really don't know).

Just really looking for advice and other peoples experiences, so I can better my families and my life. Any opinions will be greatlfully received.

OP posts:
orangerman · 28/01/2018 13:18

Hello Schmagetti,

I never said women are not good at business, I work with very competent and successful women. I offered as an individual and not a gender.

Hello Fairenuff,

I can understand your direct question, and life in my eyes is not as simple as that. It maybe for you. I appreciate your view point.

But we choose our life - and generally we should aim to be better as individuals. I cut down to the extent that it does not bother anyone, not seen by anyone or has negative affects on my life. But I do enjoy the occasional puff, that is just me.

If my wife did cheat on me, I would not tolerate this, and leave. But if she did something that was an annoyance, but I could live with this, it's my choice to stay. And I have experienced my fair share of annoyances. So the same logic should apply, if she is not happy - she should leave, especially if it is an issue that she cannot live with. I respect that more.

Again thank you for your time in writing these opinions, even if I disagree with some.

OP posts:
Fairenuff · 28/01/2018 13:24

If you had to choose between weed and your wife, which would you choose?

...if she is not happy - she should leave, especially if it is an issue that she cannot live with

And there is your answer. You choose weed.

No surprise that you are struggling in your relationship. I don't think it will get any better. I don't think you will leave. I think she might.

MadMags · 28/01/2018 13:28
Confused

These “my wife usually posts here” long-winded, rambling, faux innocent threads are never what they seem. Never.

marvelmummy13 · 28/01/2018 13:34

I'm a little confused as to what advise your after now. I mean this honestly.
Imagine 20 yrs from now a man/woman was hitting and calling your child (now a grown up) names would you accept that it is their relationship and call it normal ? Because the problem is if your children see this behaviour from their mother and father and its tolerated throughtout their life the child will grow up with a pretty screwed up image of what a relationship is because mum hit dad and threw things so it must be okay. Speaking from professional and personal experience you both need to put your own needs and feelings aside and think of it as a family. You need to quit the weed and she needs anger management or soemthing

orangerman · 28/01/2018 13:37

Fairenuff,

I never said that - if anything - I would choose my wife, and have, by turning a daily habit that I enjoyed, but be it unhealthy to a one that is very rare and does not affect anyone.

But it is more than that, it's about understanding each other, loving all that is good and being tolerant of the bad. Helping each other be better people and not attempt to force rules or control.

If the bad is not acceptable no one should force the change, or live with that and just move on.

We are all grown up and if anything - your post seems to try and control the narrative a bit.

I appreciate your strong stance, and I'm not here to change that, or answer any of your demands by you. I was just here for opinions. Which I very much appreciate.

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Fairenuff · 28/01/2018 13:47

I would choose my wife, and have, by turning a daily habit that I enjoyed, but be it unhealthy to a one that is very rare and does not affect anyone.

Haha, you really cannot answer a simple question. Cutting down is not giving up. You are still choosing weed.

How can you say it doesn't affect anyone. Your whole post is about how it affects your wife.

Rose84 · 28/01/2018 13:56

You sound like me op, except its my husband who is controlling. With me its drink, I like to drink , he doesnt like me drinking. However I told him the reason my drinking has increased is because he makes no effort in our relationship at all. He seems to have hit the pipe and slippers age, and I havent. I want someone to laugh with, take me out, a bit of romance etc. He just cannot see it, he blames me for everything. He even accused me of drinking when I came downstairs the other night because I couldnt sleep next to him as he sets off my anxiety. He name calls, puts me down, says he is moving out , unfortunately he has now pushed me away, im damned if I do damned if dont. I no longer think I love him anymore.
I dont feel welcome in my own home, to the point after work I drive to my friends and sit at hers for a couple of hours.

orangerman · 28/01/2018 14:14

Hello MarvelMummy,

Totally agree - but my wife is wise enough not to show this in front of my son, and I would never accept this happening.

I made be old school, but even when my wife does hit me, it does not damage or even hurt, and I understand it is an expression of anger. Name calling - bit extreme, occasionally gets to me, but then it's only words. Again something I personally choose to tolerate and each to there own - I accept but does not mean you have too.

Hello Rose,

I feel for you, if he cannot tolerate it, he should leave otherwise he should stop controlling you. And vice versus - if you are unhappy - leave him. I am sure there is someone for you, that will love you for who you are.

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Robin233 · 28/01/2018 14:14

Hitting is NEVER ok.
Neither man, woman or child.
( or dog ). For any reason.
Surely your councillor has pointed this out?
Just I thought but if you stopped with the drugs who you 'maybe' see that ?
Best of luck to you both x

marvelmummy13 · 28/01/2018 14:27

Op you say it's never in front of the child so where is he . Does she only limit this to when he's out at grandparents ? or is he simply in bed with headphones in and sound proofing throughout the house or do you live in a huge mansion and he's at the other side because I remember similar fights when I was younger and just because I was upstairs doesn't mean I didn't hear the shouting and loud bangs of plates etc etc I can tell you now if you dont already know its scary. Sometimes people dont give as much credit to children as they desrve. I've worked with parents who say oh hes always in bed he never hears a thing I wouldn't put him through that. But after long painful talks with the child he actually heard every word mummy and daddy said . Children are also extremely tuned in to recognise hostile environments. I hope to god youre right and he can't hear you
All in all it might be that you can live with it and accept it it is your life but still non of the behaviour is acceptable . She's not a child who can have a tantrum when things aren't going her way throwing things shouting. If she doesn't like it and your not willing to give up completely she should leave .
I wish you and your family all the best

Rose84 · 28/01/2018 14:33

Thank you orange, but I dont want anyone else, after 15 years of being controlled, walking on egg shells, it would be nice I think to be on my own. We have 3dc so me leaving is not an option

crunchtime · 28/01/2018 14:38

The whole issue here is you smoking weed.

It's not just unhealthy it's illegal.

Your wife is very aware that you are taking illegal drugs in the home that you share with your child. Because you smoke it you will probably not notice but the smell clings you know? When you smoke weed in the home your child will smell of it. If a teacher smells weed on your child they will report that as a safeguarding issue.

Apart from that , it makes people really boring and annoying.
Despite knowing how much it bothers your wife, you won't give it up. That sends out the message that it's more important than her feelings.

Plus...the money you are spending on illegal drugs should be household money.

expatinscotland · 28/01/2018 14:38

'Totally different slant if this was a woman. It would be cries of LTB and hand holds and all sorts.'

Would it, if she also wrote that she smoked weed daily for years and let her parents walk all over the family?

MadMags · 28/01/2018 14:40

The self-pity from OP and posters of his ilk is infuriating to read.

I drink because he’s not nice. I spoke because she’s not nice.

Meanwhile, you think innocent children should have to suck it up and live with it? Selfish, selfish, selfish.

PurpleDaisies · 28/01/2018 14:45

I would choose my wife, and have, by turning a daily habit that I enjoyed, but be it unhealthy to a one that is very rare and does not affect anyone.

It clearly is affecting your wife. You don’t get to choose whether “very rare” weed smoking is ok by her or not.

orangerman · 28/01/2018 15:22

Hello PurpleDaises,

Totally agree - I never said that I choose what's ok for her. And would not expect her to choose for me either.

Life has many annoyances and I have my fair share - but I choose what I will live with and try to compromise with what she wants.

I would expect the same in any sane relationship. Which I generally have.

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JesterA · 28/01/2018 15:48

OP this makes me so angry. Your original post and many comments.

No one should ever, ever lay a hand on their partner in anger. It's never okay. The fact that you excuse the behaviour as your fault is very typical of people living with abusive people. This does not make you a victim in any way, just makes her abusive. Perhaps you could seek out someone to talk all this through with at a more personal level.

You sound as though you have made some really positive changes to your life and that's brilliant, keep doing you. I wish you all the luck.

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 28/01/2018 16:00

You are in denial about your weed use. It would be zero tolerance from me. I certainly would not hang around to eventually be your nurse when the consequences of long term use kick in.

You are in denial about domestic violence. Men can be victims and should get help to get out of the relationship. It is an awful template to set for your child.

Saying how self aware you are, and how much you have changed, and how much you martyr yourself to your wife’s behavior is still not enough of a smoke screen (sorry-pun) to erase the effects of your choice and use of weed. Lip service (lies), superficial intentions will not solve this- sincere action of quitting for good, permanently, is what will solve your issues here.

Quartz2208 · 28/01/2018 16:35

You want her to leave I think. Do you want her to take your DS with her? It’s clear smoking and being with the boys are what you want so why don’t you leave

Sugarpiehoneyeye · 28/01/2018 17:02

Rose, one day I hope you find a way to leave ! ☹️💐
@orangerman, the smacking doesn't hurt, but the cruel words scar, I understand that, but it needs to stop.
I don't smoke weed, never have, but a like a drink, so I'm not going to judge. Do you feel that this is perhaps, the last bit of rebel in you, that you're hanging on to ?
Is your wife perfect ?

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