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Advice please - I think DH is an addict

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IsSpringhereyet · 25/01/2018 10:38

I’m a long time mumsnet member but have name-changed. I’ve been with DH for 14 years and have 3 DC. He’s a hard-worker, has a great but stressful job. He has anger issues he won’t get help for - says he just needs to manage the stress, but he doesn’t. He binge-drinks at weekends and rarely does anything with the children; I mean he will take them to football, to the odd party but other than that, he’s not much interested in doing anything with them unless it is what he wants to do. All the cooking, cleaning, DIY, bill-paying is down to me. I work full time too but my job is nowhere near as pressured (and I earn a tiny fraction). So that’s the background. I’ve been watching these boards for ages, especially interested in the ones about abuse and I’ve read the Lundy B book. I don’t think he is abusive because his behaviour is actually moderately better towards me than it is towards others. But he is selfish and if things aren’t going his way, he can be really horrible (think road rage, shouting at people who he perceives as having been rude to him). Other things:-

  • I never know what mood he will be in. He can be charming and fun and he does make me laugh. He can be great company. Or he can be short-tempered and angry.
  • Another side of him is where he is making fun of people, imitating, lightly mocking in a slightly undermining but ostensibly affectionate way. He asks me and DC to say things - stupid things - which he finds very entertaining. If we’re not in the mood and get ratty with him it is we, rather than him, who has the problem. It feels sometimes as though he regards us as there for his entertainment.
  • Recently he has been ill. We’ve all known about it; he makes no effort to keep himself to himself. He talks about it and how he is feeling all the time. He is coughing, retching, sneezing. Wandering around the house groaning in the middle of the night. He was on his own with 2 of the kids (DC 8 and 10) for a day and didn’t feed them - just left them to their own devices. Yes, he was ill, very unwell, but even with the real flu, surely he could have talked them through getting a sandwich?
  • He has shouted at 2 of them this week for not doing as they were told, with such ferocity he made them cry. If challenged he works himself into a rage about how they bring it upon themselves by making him ask them repeatedly. Ok, he had asked more than once but is it ever acceptable to shout at the top of one’s voice to a child? He is particularly horrible to DD who is bordering on teenaged.
  • I heard him referring to me on the ‘phone as “the wife”. I don’t know why, but it really upset me as it seemed so disrespectful. The person he was talking to knows my name and has met me a couple of times. Am I over-reacting? I feel he doesn’t like women very much.

After so many years together I feel I no longer know what’s normal any more. I don’t know who the real him is. I see so many different moods. Sometimes he is lovely to us, but I never know. And now I think I may have found a clue: about £200 in cash leaves his account once or twice a month, usually near a weekend. Bits of book in the bathroom are ripped out. He seems to get pissed on relatively small amounts of alcohol and is often going into the bathroom on these nights apparently to urinate but it doesn’t make sense on what he is drinking. He can’t sleep on these nights but wanders around. He spends the next day in bed apparently ill. When we’re on holiday abroad he becomes withdrawn, paranoid, bad-tempered and nasty to me. The behaviour is better when we get home.
Does this sound to you like someone on cocaine? It would explain his erratic behaviour over many years. How do I know what is the real him? I know he will lie if I confront him so I need to gather my evidence first. What are the chances of him giving it up do you think? Assuming of course he wants to? Thank you to anyone who can help me unravel this mess.

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pudding21 · 25/01/2018 10:47

isspringhereyet: his behavior sounds abusive to me. In fact it sounds very similar to my ex, who I left last year after 21 years together. The not knowing what mood he can be in, is leaving everyone in your household on eggshells, that in itself is abusive. I sued to dread mornings, as mornings were always his worst time, sometimes he'd be ok, rest of the time he would either stone wall me or shout. I spent most of my time trying to manage the kids so they wouldn't spark his moods. Anyway, my ex was a drinker and in pre kids days with both partook in some recreational drugs. It was never the drugs that made him moody, it was his personality. Of course they can worsen it, but don't focus on the drugs thing as a possible issue. He is just a shit.

R/e the coke: yes it could make up for some of his behavior, but at the same time he can control it still. he choses (if he does) to drink and stick shit up his nose. The money, bits ripped out of books and come downs after a weekend do suggest he might be up to something. If he was an addict that was doing coke every day, i would imagine he would be spending more than you have said. It sounds like he probably uses it at weekends, but not a habitual daily user. Daily users will use a lot of coke per week.

I would read that Lundy book again, just watch his behavior, he is treating you all like shit. I can tell you now I am free of my ex (well not free as we have kids) my house is so much more relaxed and happy. He is miserable, and no signs of changing.

Good luck.

IsSpringhereyet · 25/01/2018 10:57

Thank you pudding21. - I have seen some of your posts and have empathised with you. The behaviour towards the children is what alarms me most; I can cope with my own unhappiness but I can’t have him damaging them (more than I guess he has already done). And you’re right - it’s him, his behaviour, his choice. I’m trying to get my “ducks in a row” and gather the evidence of his behaviour so that I am sure that leaving is the right choice and can justify it to myself, my children and to him (because I know he will lie, minimise the impacts of his behaviour and tell me I am breaking up the children’s home). It’s terrifying. You know, you have done it. Thank you for responding.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 25/01/2018 10:58

Do you need any more evidence other than what you are seeing and have seen in front of your eyes?. Abuse can take many forms and the fact that he treats you moderately better than other people counts for nothing. You have been with this individual for so long that your own sense of normal and normality has been well and truly messed with, your boundaries are pretty much shot and that is how he likes it. Such men too hate women, all of them.

What do you get out of this relationship now?. Something is keeping you within this so what is it?.

I would be calling Womens Aid in your particular circumstances on 0808 2000 247 as well as seeking legal advice re separation. He will simply continue to destroy your lives as long as you and he remain together.

IsSpringhereyet · 25/01/2018 11:01

Thank you, Attila, I know you give good advice. The rational side of me knows what you are saying is right. I feel like I have been brainwashed. I have enrolled on the online WA course and I will seek legal advice too.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 25/01/2018 11:01

What do you want to teach your children about relationships and just what are they learning here in all this chaos and dysfunction?. Did you yourself see similar when growing up too?

Your children are being impacted hugely by what is happening within their household and I sincerely hope that they do not repeat what they are seeing now in their own adult relationships. They could well do so particularly if you were to stay. You have a choice re this man, they do not. They have to follow your lead here.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 25/01/2018 11:05

He has well and truly messed with your head. The online WA course is good but if at all possible do this in person as well as well as contacting them re your situation.

The Rights of Women organisation could also help re legal advice; their website is rightsofwomen.org.uk/

IsSpringhereyet · 25/01/2018 11:05

Attila, that is what I am afraid of. My father was a strong personality and a bully. My husband is too.

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IsSpringhereyet · 25/01/2018 11:06

I will do, thank you, Attila.

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Wallywobbles · 25/01/2018 11:15

I did the online Freedom Program course after 6 years single just as I was going into a new relationship (with now DH). My answers were still messed up even after all that time. And when I asked my new BF what he'd do in certain situations it was so different from what I expected.

My Dad was a shouter, my exh was an abusive cunt but also a serious screamer (and a drunk). I'm also a bit of a shouter much to my shame. But humiliation is just not a part of my thought process at all. I would say for that alone it'd be dead in the water.

I'd say go and see a lawyer. In your own time and discreetly. No threats of if you don't shape up etc. Inform yourself and you'll feel capable of the next step. Decide what you want to do. What you are prepared to accept when you split because I can't think you're going to be able to put this demon back in it's box.

IsSpringhereyet · 25/01/2018 11:19

Thank you Wallywobbles. I will book an appointment. I am concerned that I can see a similar dynamic between H and DD as existed between my father and myself. I hope you are in a better relationship now.

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Hermonie2016 · 25/01/2018 11:20

When you find that you are turning into a detectives its a sign your marriage is dysfunctional.

I know its hard to make the break but something will just click and you know it has to end.Even if you suggest ypu separate it will give respite to you and the children.
I would line up a solicitor, find someone who has knowledge of abuse and who can fight your corner.Know where your funds are and perhaps move them to an account you can access.

Its scary to make the move but you will get back a sense of peace that you have forgotton existed.

IsSpringhereyet · 25/01/2018 11:27

Hermione you are so right - I do fundamentally lack trust in H as he lies so easily. It is difficult to have peace of mind when I don’t trust the person who is supposed to be the closest to me. I have come to dread being around him. Yet on another level I feel that I still love which is what frightens me because it is like being brainwashed. I do need a separation but I know he will resist it. Sadly I don’t have the means to support myself and the children so I can’t move out and I know he won’t. So I feel I need to find something concrete - in this case the drugs, almost to shame him into going. Otherwise he will deny there is a problem as this has been going on for years.

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BerkInBag · 25/01/2018 11:33

Re cocaine use. In my experience (living with people who use and having used in the past) it definitely makes people angrier and more short-tempered in the periods between use than they would be off the drug. Also, sometimes more pessismistic, paranoid and generally down.

I was once talking to a doctor about mixing coke and alcohol and he said that when the two substance are consumed together they metabolise (?sorry not an expert these things but I think this is what he said) in the liver and form something called cocaethylene (sp?). This substance is not something you really want in your body, apart from the health risks, this doc said it can cause anger. I've certainly seen people kick off when using coke and booze.

IsSpringhereyet · 25/01/2018 11:45

BerkInBag - that’s interesting about the anger. He has such an awful temper but over the last few years I thought it was getting better. He used to scream at me in the street or drive really fast with the children and me in the car because we’d annoyed him while I pleaded him to stop. That hadn’t happened for ages but his recent temper outbursts having been ill is bringing all back. I keep thinking it’s because he’s having withdrawal but another poster has pointed out he can’t really be a regular user because he just doesn’t spend enough on it. I had wondered that. I just don’t know how addictive it is and how much is needed and how often to keep him on an even keel. But perhaps it’s not withdrawal anger - perhaps that is the real him unmasked by drugs [shudder]. I’m realising how naive I am.

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GlitterUnicornsAndAllThatJazz · 25/01/2018 11:48

Speaking from a lot of experience here......

Most certainly a coke problem.

IsSpringhereyet · 25/01/2018 11:48

Weirdly, when H is drinking/ on whatever else, he is much nicer than usual. He is actually quite pleasant. 😕

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IsSpringhereyet · 25/01/2018 11:50

I’d be really interested to hear more, Glitter. Do you think a long-term addict could maintain an addiction on £200 to £400 a month?

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GlitterUnicornsAndAllThatJazz · 25/01/2018 11:53

@IsSpringhereyet
Yes. It really depends how much he is doing and how frequently but you could spend a lot more than that, not much less though.

It does fit though, the colds, the lashing out...

CardinalCat · 25/01/2018 12:05

Coke can be bought for about £50 a gram and unless that could last a moderate user over one or two sessions. So yes, if he's using it solo and not sharing it, then £400 per month sounds like he's getting a couple of wraps per week (or buying more expensive but stronger stuff.)

Sounds like an obvious coke habit, albeit 'recreational' (if you can call it that, since it is clearly impacting on family life- no wonder he wants to do things with the kids at weekends if he's circling the pits of despair on a comedown!!)

But even that aside, why are you still with him? He sounds horrible, and it's no way to live.

CardinalCat · 25/01/2018 12:06

*no wonder he DOESN'T want to do things with the kids, I mean!

BerkInBag · 25/01/2018 12:07

I was using probably a gram a weekend, so at £75/g that's knocking on £300 per month.

mumgointhroughtorture · 25/01/2018 12:10

I was with a drug taker and life was how you described . Hell . He was on a lot of cannabis and whilst he had it he was the best guy and dad we could've asked for . Without it ? At best he was like a tornado ripping through the house. His attitude to everyone stunk . He was moody , angry , argumentative and would go days without talking to me unless it was to scream at me about me being a lazy bitch . I would walk on egg shells . Not speak to him coz whatever I said was wrong . Whatever I cooked was wrong . If I woke him up after a night shift I was a stupid bitch who didn't know what it was like to have to work the hours he did , but if I didn't wake him up I was a stupid bitch coz now he wouldn't sleep later so would be tired the next day for work . I used to dread his days off from work if we had no money for his drugs . If I gave him a tenner the day was great .
The kids used to comment frequent "Dads in a mood again" ! I used to laugh but now I realise looking back how horrible it must've been for them .

Your post does suggest drugs to me . The behaviour changes . I know some people end up in serious debt due to coke problems it's a big business ATM .

If he's not making you happy you don't have to stay with him . Give him the shock to sort himself out .

IsSpringhereyet · 25/01/2018 12:11

I’m trying to work out if his moods correlate with “withdrawal”; does coke work like that? I mean, are there cravings and how often are they are likely to kick in? How would they manifest themselves to outsiders? I don’t know why I’m trying to understand because you’re right, Cardinal, it doesn’t matter - it’s no way to live.

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IsSpringhereyet · 25/01/2018 12:15

Thanks, mumgoin, I’m sorry to hear you went through it. Your experience sounds worse. He thankfully doesn’t name call but maybe that’s because he knows exactly where to draw the line and I wouldn’t tolerate that. Hope things are much better for you now.

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rocketgirl22 · 25/01/2018 12:15

I would follow the advice on here, it is excellent.

You have reached the red line of what is acceptable. He is contributing nothing to your life but misery and that has to stop.

The ball is in your court.