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Why do parents deny abuse - and I come back for more?

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Dojos · 21/01/2018 20:54

I can't possibly write down a whole 40 years here! But I am just desperate for some other perspectives - and I can take anything you say.

Background
Middle of 3 children, parents had a pretty rough upbringing. My own can only be described as fraught. My parents marriage was rocky, they're still together tho. Neither of them speak to their own families as they've managed to alienate them all with their harsh tongues or controlling with money. There were a lot of arguments, beating leaving bruises on my and my older brother (but not my younger sibling), emotional abuse, and frankly loving at a very basic level but in a totally screwed up way. I have never felt like I wasn't loved. But its left its mark - I am totally traumatised by some of the beatings. My siblings and I aren't very close as we are constantly pitched against each other and I can't remember a conversation with my parents where they don't spend the whole time slagging each sibling off, ultimately turning us off each other. My brother has pretty much cut my parents off apart from the odd visit with his kids. My sister lives close by to them, forced to by them after they controlled her enough to get her to abandon her life in another city and any boyfriend she's ever had. She is also volatile and aggressive, she beat me on my hen do and at my brothers wedding party, and she slammed my newborn down on the kitchen counter during an argument. I've kept her at arms length ever since, but it is heartbreaking as I don't think she is an awful person either. The one common thread we have? All 3 of us have been groomed to rely on my parents financially. They worked very hard for their money and gave us a great education. But working hard meant a lot of family stress, there was much quality family time. And we weren't allowed friends to the house either. Helping us financially has essentially given them total carte blanche to let their opinions run riot on our marriages, our parenting, what we spend our money on. Some I get of course and I don't know how to express my gratitude. Which I do regularly. But if we don't do as they say, they emotional and verbal abuse is debilitating so it's just been easier to go along with it all.

Me
Mum of 3, great job, extremely low self esteem. I was the quiet middle one, I never stood up to them. I would call my self the glue of the family, peacemaker as I constantly help the other two navigate my parents and calm my parents down when they've done something my parents down agree with. My mum has said I will never be as good a mum as her amongst other delightful put downs and it pretty much caused my first ever depression a couple of years ago. She is narcissism personified - only her feelings will ever count and she is unable to look at another side of a story. Im terrified of being like them, so much so, I can barely discipline my own kids. I have a loving husband who I push away thanks to my parents constantly making out he's a terrible husband and father. I can't list all the examples as to why he is not - but he's just great. And I have let them poison me against him to the point I (very wrongly) don't usually find his opinion valid. My parents have managed to make me think their word is God.

Why its come to a head
My Dad put massive pressure on us to send the kids to private school - we couldn't afford it but he said he would pay until we were on our feet. (I had to take a couple of years out for our special needs child). I worked my ass off to get an MBA (which I funded) and get an awesome job so I could try and get some financial independence and ultimately control back from them. Then two years ago he decided we shouldn't be renting and to find a house to buy, he would give us the deposit. So we looked and found one. Who would say no? In a normal family this would work just fine! Except every single conversation has been an opportunity to call me all the names under the sun. We put an offer in on a house and at the last second my Dad asked for 50% ownership for his 10% deposit.

At this point I just said to myself stop. I realised that he used to control with the fist and my mum with her tongue. But now Im too old for that (not always tho!) they do it with money. If I let them help us with a house - the control and my inner voice which is actually theirs, will never end. So I said thank you but no thank you. I couldn't cope with all the aggressive conversations. We've decided to rent a cheaper place and put the kids in public school. And frankly we will all be just fine. And the RELIEF I felt. I felt so bloody free.

Except they lost the plot. You'd swear I was making my kids homeless. And then they denied being aggressive. So I listed a lot of abusive episodes from my childhood. I told them that my brother and sister have been worried about them looking after my kids as they'd seen them be a bit OTT with discipline and patience. My brother won't leave his kids with them. (Personally I am uncomfortable with their lack of patience and ideas of discipline, but have mostly been impressed at how different they are with my kids than they were to us)

And I thought great, its going to be unpleasant but this is the moment where we can put it all on the table and start healing. BUT THEY DENIED IT ALL. And not only that they have been messaging my husband saying they are worried about my mental health. I sat in a bar with my brother last week and he has denied to them that he's spoken to me recently. My sister says what Ive done is unforgivable. They have all rallied against me, despite my brother and sister saying supportive things privately. I have lost my sister for good, and don't feel like I can trust my brother so much.

Why can't I just walk away?
My Dad is seriously ill and on drugs that alter his personality. Not that that explains the other years. I love him to pieces, but I cannot handle the mind control anymore. Several days silence has caused me so much pain I even vomited with the stress. I am not mentally ill. I haven't made any of my childhood memories up. I have an excellent memory - my whole family knows I do. I have a message from my mum two weeks ago saying she is worried about my Dads aggression - and now she's rallied against me too.

If I cut contact, I make myself ill, and possibly send my Dad to a much earlier grave. So I reached out to yet another abusive message and said its all gone too far but I don't know how to move forward. Their response? To message my husband trying to force the house deposit on him and state yet again they're worried about my mental health. My husband has commented to me he's never seen me so sane :) I cannot believe they are now trying to use him against me too. The sad fact is if they are not financially involved - they literally lose all ammunition for their emotional abuse.

What on earth do I do? Why can't I just live my life the way I want and try and build up some semblance of self esteem and a say in my own life. I can't even bloody cut them off because of the guilt of what I know it would do to them both.

OP posts:
springydaffs · 23/01/2018 16:28

Ptumbi who are you to speak on the op's behalf?? Angry

Great post Well.

ptumbi · 23/01/2018 16:49

You're right, springy. I am not speaking on OPs behalf.

BUT - I am explaining (or trying to) how these questions arise - how can she 'love' them when they are so horrible to her? Because that is all someone like her has known.

It is a long journey and therapy can help - to find out what 'normal' actually is.

tonysopranostherapist · 23/01/2018 18:21

Ptumbi, if you'd actually read my post you'd be aware that I have quite extensive experience of how these things arrive, I don't need you to 'explain' it for me.

I was asking the OP - who now hasn't returned - not you.

ptumbi · 23/01/2018 19:42

Fucksake, I was replying to your post tony. I thought i could enlighten/explain to OP why she feels that she needs to 'love' her parents. I have no idea how much 'experience' you have! Hmm

If all posts only addressed the OP and no-one else could answer or give experiences or advice,MN would be a boring place indeed.

If you'd read mine, you'd know that I have at least 26 years of being NC. And 10 years previous to that - I was co-erced into having my father at my wedding. So I know what is involved in being NC!

And when posters start flinging sarcastic remarks at other posters who are trying to be helpful, the OP is invariably scared off.

Angry
tonysopranostherapist · 23/01/2018 21:00

Don't be obtuse, ptumbi.

springydaff · 23/01/2018 22:43

Peace, folks Flowers

ptumbi · 24/01/2018 09:01

Don't be obtuse? Have you not been on MN long? Do you think that you have a Q&A with the OP, and only the OP? Only the OP can answer you? Hmm

Do you think the OP knows 'why she loves them'? Do you think she has the tools to be able to untangle the feelings she has, without some guidance? The points I raised in my post are the sort of Qs a professional will gently put to her. (And yes, I have experience in this!!!)

Lots of questions for you. Yes, directed at you. Since (as I forecast) the OP is scared off. Lets have a little fucking bunfight over who gets to answer your questions, shall we?

tonysopranostherapist · 24/01/2018 10:35

The only person starting a swear, aggressive bunfight is you, Ptumbi and I have no desire to engage with you.

ptumbi · 24/01/2018 11:03

Sweary? The one 'fucking'? Grin You poor thing.

I had no desire to engage with you - I was answering your question to the OP with the reasons why OP has probably not got the tools to answer it! That's not starting a bunfight - that is how MN works.

tonysopranostherapist · 24/01/2018 17:16

You are being unnecessarily combative and aggressive and derailing the thread.

ptumbi · 24/01/2018 18:06

No. You derailed the thread, telling me that you were addressing your questions to 'op, not you Ptumbi'. Even tho that is how MN works!

And I found that combative, and aggressive.

OP has long gone. That is what happens when posters start a bunfight between themselves - but you started it. You don't get to tell posters what they can post or what answers they can give.

If you dont like it, Nethuns awaits.

ptumbi · 24/01/2018 18:07

And Nethuns aren;t allowed to swear, either.

Grin
tonysopranostherapist · 24/01/2018 18:11

Why are you persisting with this aggressive stance?

ptumbi · 24/01/2018 18:21

Jeez, if you think I'm being aggressive, you really should be on Nethuns!

Grin

Why are you persisting? I don't really care, if you don't bother answering.

tonysopranostherapist · 24/01/2018 19:34

I suggest you read back your posts and consider how you think you might be coming across on the thread, ptumbi.

First you lack the self-awareness to allow the OP to answer for herself.

Then you litter the thread with emojis, the occasional swear word and a lot of aggression.

I'm wondering why you felt the need to take the thread down this road?

Clutterbugsmum · 24/01/2018 21:14

Tony you are the one coming across as aggressive.

Ptumbi answered and asked the same questions as other people but you name her.

An as it happens I agree with Ptumbi that netmuns is probably a site more suited to you.

OP if you do come back perhaps have a read of the 'Stately Homes' thread in the relationship section. It's thread that has been running for a few years with posters like you have had a difficult/abusive upbringing. They can give far better advice as they have been through similar experiences as you.

tonysopranostherapist · 24/01/2018 21:51

"Ptumbi answered and asked the same questions as other people but you name her."

No she didn't.

She's the only person who - when I asked the OP why she loved her parents - decided to answer on the OP's behalf.

If you're going to interject, clutterbug, please do read before responding.

mogulfield · 25/01/2018 15:02

I went NC with my parents because of the abuse and my mums alcoholism. I didn’t go NC because by modern day standards they were shit, they were abusive and shit back in the 80s. As well as the abuse we were severely neglected... I used to go to school in a uniform that stunk of cats piss for days.
I sincerely hope my son won’t go NC with me, because I don’t abuse him. I try my best.
It’s not the case that ‘all parents try their best so don’t judge them too harshly’. Confused

springydaffs · 25/01/2018 20:33

I agree mogul. Some parents really are appalling by any standard. Sorry you went through that Flowers

Amatree · 25/01/2018 20:39

They sound evil. If you can't go NC for you, can you do it for your husband and children? Your husband is being treated appallingly by them and your children put in physical danger if you sister is capable of slamming a newborn on a counter top. If you were my spouse and let that go on while still maintaining a relationship with them I would be seriously considering taking myself and the children as far away as I could get and leaving you to it. Sorry to be blunt and I'm sure it's complicated, but you need to stand up for your family and yourself. I hope you can get the help you need to do that.

Momo18 · 25/01/2018 20:41

Could have wrote most that myself. It looks like they've decided you all to conquer, hence why your all petrified to speak up and not close to eachother. This way they keep you anxious about not obeying them, it's a a control thing.

My advice would be to try learn to stand up to them, stop fearing them disowning you or been angry at you. You aren't that little child anymore, they have to respect you and your boundaries or sod off. It takes time but gets easier

Momo18 · 25/01/2018 20:41

Divided*

gluteustothemaximus · 25/01/2018 20:48

Walk away.

I am out the other side, and I'm actually quite a confident person now.

Life is bliss.

I wish you luck. It's a hard step to walk away.

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