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What would you expect your relationship with your parents to be like at 25 and still living at home?

51 replies

user1471548941 · 14/01/2018 21:55

Would genuinely like some opinions as I’m not sure where to gauge this situation. I’m autistic and find it hard to judge.

I’m 25 and have recently moved out of the home I own with my ex boyfriend (had some sound advice here about that too) and home to my parents. My Mum has cancer (prognosis is good but in the midst of chemo currently). The plan is to stay here to save to buy my ex out of my house.

I pay minimal rent (£120 per month) at my Mum’s insistence as I am trying to save the money to buy the house. My brother aged 21 also still lives here and pays the same. As there are 4 adults with full time salaries and the house is mortgage free I actually feel that £120 is probably near a quarter of the bills anyway. I offer to do the shopping each week also (not allowed) and run errands whenever required, clean the bathrooms (3 of them), clean up after myself, keep my own room tidy, do my own washing and ironing and always offer to do theirs (not allowed) and offer to cook whenever required (always told no and then when I do my Dad always says he doesn’t like it).

That is the crux of the issue really; my Dad wanting help with the house etc because of my Mum being ill, I offer/ask what needs doing, he says nothing and then rages at me for not helping.

Several notable incidences:

-Today he told me the bathrooms must be cleaned by 6pm. I said fine, went for a run at 1, was back by 3 ready to clean and he had already started doing them. I said “I’m going to do them” and he said “well you obviously weren’t as you haven’t left yourself enough time”. No notable evening plans, only his 6pm deadline. I assumed 3 hours plenty of time to clean 3 bathrooms? I do it reliably everyweek though sometimes switch days between Saturday and Sunday.

  • using the tumble dryer is banned as he thinks it a waste but my working day plus commute is 12 plus hours so often my only chance to wash is at the weekend and I have to wait to make sure the machine is free. The other week he made me hang my washing out in the rain 🤔 but today as I was hanging it out he told me “no point as it won’t dry in the cold”. I asked if I could use the dryer then and was told no. Wet washing around the house is also not allowed. It’s nearly impossible to get my washing done!
  • he does not allow any food waste in inside bins. Or recycling (aka loo roll tubes) in the bathroom bins. To get to the outside bin I must walk through three rooms, unlock the garage, put my shoes in, climb a ladder to the top shelf in the garage to retrieve the back door key, unlock back door and walk across the garden to the bins. And reverse to get back in. It is not acceptable to leave anything on a side to maybe take out later. I have sensory issues that make repeated trips outside difficult for me.

-he is obsessed with food waste and not having excess food in the house yet regularly throws away a batch of food (e.g. pasta) I have made and made extra for a couple of days of work lunches.

-after a couple of days of no food in the house and no dinner and no food to make any with I told my Mum I was concerned about the lack of food in the house and offered to shop. He overheard and came in and yelled at me that I shouldn’t even need to ask that I should just know that they are too stressed to bother with food right now and do it anyway ( I am autistic but think maybe this would be a stretch even for someone neurotypical?). I had text and asked if they wanted me to pick up any shopping on my way home each day that week and each day been told no, someone else would go.

He criticises small things like what time I shower (sometimes later in the weekends as there is no point showering before a run).

Is it me? Do I not do enough? I constantly offer but get told no and he also rushes around trying to do things so quickly that no one else has a chance to help. If you try and help the way you do something is criticised so sometimes I do avoid it a bit.

I am very career focussed but when an article on the news came on the other day he went off on a massive rant about how women can’t ever expect to get paid as much because eventually they have to quit and look after children. This went on to how the government is crap and is ruining the country and things like how he looks at fat people in the cancer unit and thinks they don’t deserve their treatment as they brought it on themselves. It was pretty scary and unhinged.

For context I work 10-11 hour days in a demanding job in a bank but need lots of rest to cope with this and my autism. My brother is 21, works less hours with a shorter commute and does not lift a finger. My Dad delivers their washing and ironing for my Grandma to do each week and even his plates are carried from the table to the dishwasher for him after dinner. My Mum and Dad both think that boys should not do housework.

What is this? Is it bad? Am I not doing enough? Should I pay more? Tonight he told my lovely Nanny who came round to cook us all a rost dinner that she couldn’t possibly understand how hard it is for him even though my Nanny also nursed my Grandad through years of chemo. I told him he should apologise as it was a horrible thing to say and he told me I should feel lucky he didn’t yell at more people as there were lots of people that deserved it.

I know a lot of you will say it’s because of the stress of my Mum’s illness which is probably true to an extent. But he has always been like this. I remember him throwing all of my possessions out my bedroom window when I was 17 as I got my nails done in a 2 hour break in a 16 hour split shift instead of coming home and tidying. My childhood memories are of him yelling, mainly about money and how resentful he was that we cost him money and how we were never grateful enough that he put food on the table.

Sorry that was huge but I had such supportive responses before that helped me make a good decision that I would appreciate it again.

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Cambionome · 14/01/2018 23:19

He is impossible. Sorry, but he is.
Is it possible at all for you to get out, and perhaps rent a cheap room somewhere? Your current situation sounds incredibly stressful.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 14/01/2018 23:20

Wanting to control everything is a classic ASD trait.

user1471548941 · 14/01/2018 23:22

To those of you that asked about the house with my ex situation.

I still pay half the mortgage because he cannot afford it alone. This is why my Mum would not accept more rent. I would be happy paying even double what I do now!

He lives there as he did not have a room at his parents to go back to and I did. Hence it was me that moved out. It’s been three months and he has still not found anywhere else to move to (deliberately dragging feet I suspect because he’s having an easy time with me paying half the mortgage). Once I have the money to pay him his share of deposit, I will pay him and he signs it over to me. We were planning on renting it out whilst I saved the money but as he’s taking so long to move out, I’m only 5-6 months off having the money.

It’s one bedroom. This is why I can’t rent a spare room or why we couldn’t both live in separate rooms (amicable split).

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wombatron · 14/01/2018 23:23

A schedule is good, but why does it matter what day of the weekend the bathrooms are cleaned, as long as they are so? It sounds impossible and I would consider leaving

TinklyLittleLaugh · 14/01/2018 23:26

Sofa bed back at your flat? It sounds preferable to be honest.

user1471548941 · 14/01/2018 23:38

Thanks for your support Tinkly. I’m considering renting myself a studio. It would take me longer to save and my ex would be pissed off about waiting for his money but I would have my own space that would be safe for me (safe as in a I can control my sensory environment).

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LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 14/01/2018 23:45

Your ex is having it cushty to be honest, so I think if it takes you a few months longer to sort out the financials then so be it. I'd move to a studio.

It sounds to me like your dad is on the spectrum, massively stressed about your mother, extremely sexist and actually not a very nice person in the first place. That's a terrible combination. You'll know too, I think, with your own autism that it's impossible to make changes to your behaviour when you are stressed/overloaded so even if he wanted to change right now, I don't think he'd be capable of it.

You have enough on your plate just now. If it's at all affordable, I'd try to rent a wee space of your own.

Cricrichan · 14/01/2018 23:52

Give your ex a deadline or get him to sleep on a put me up bed in the living room as he's had the house for the last few months. If that's intolerable then renting somewhere even if it takes you longer to save sounds better to me. You're still young and with no dependants it won't make a huge difference to your life.

Otherwise staying at home will leave you constantly walking on eggshells and stressed.

user1471548941 · 15/01/2018 00:08

Thanks all. Much food for thought.

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Mysteriouscurle · 15/01/2018 02:03

Im a parent over 25 with adult dc living with me and they would probably want nothing to do with me if I behaved like your dad. He sounds like a sexist arsehole. Dont understand some pp. You actually sound like youre supporting your parents in a lot of practical ways. Once you move out who' s going to clean their bathrooms? I bet he'll guilt trip you into doing it. Hope you can get out asap but once gone I wouldnt even try to have a relationship with a man like that, family or not

PeacefulBlessing · 15/01/2018 05:44

OP, i have 19yo son and our set up is much like Tinkly's and K109's

I also have autism, as does my bf, and my thought was also that your dad might have an asc.

I also don't understand some of the responses on here when he is clearly making making it difficult for you and creating a situation where you are trying to be a good house guest but can't do right for doing wrong. It can take me days sometimes to process and emotion or 'get' how someone else might be feeling. Autism is an explanation not an excuse so ignore the idiots who say otherwise.

PastaOfMuppets · 15/01/2018 05:58

You are being treated very badly by your family and by your ex. If you're paying half the mortgage and he's living there, you should be receiving rent from him - you are subsidising his cheap housing. Move out of your horrible dad's house and rent a studio and if it takes longer to save a deposit remind your ex you are subsidising him - were he to be cutting his living costs and giving you rent, you would've saved the deposit by now. Importantly though, your dad is toxic and you need to get out. My DGM was like that due to her senility and dementia, and I wonder if your dad is on the spectrum as well as just being basically horrid.

Anyone unsympathetic hasn't had to deal with toxic parents and aren't putting themselves in this situation - no one could live like this. Frankly it reads like something off the 'Stately Homes' thread.

errorofjudgement · 15/01/2018 08:09

Op have you checked that the mortgage company are willing to lend you the full amount you would need to keep the flat? It will be treated as a new mortgage application based just on your salary.
If your ex defaults on any of the payments whilst it’s a shared mortgage then it can affect your credit rating too.
Apologies if you’ve already talked to a financial adviser, but if not I would suggest you do that pretty quickly. Financially you’re very vulnerable at the moment.

user1471548941 · 15/01/2018 08:13

Thanks for the heads up about the financials. Yes, I have checked with our mortgage company that my salary alone is enough and the mortgage payment is made out of a joint account so I am checking each month that it has been paid. If he was not paying it, I would immediately make the payment. I have also got the mortgage company to send me a copy of any post here at my parents. Is there any more I could do?

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LyraPotter · 15/01/2018 08:18

It really sounds like you are being bullied. Of course your dad and is stressed and of course your mum is his priority but there is no excuse for him treating you that way. And it must be so stressful for you living in that situation. I don't really have any advice as it sounds like he won't respond well to attempts to discuss the situation and obviously moving out wouldn't help you save for your own place. Just wanted to express my sympathy x

Slartybartfast · 15/01/2018 08:25

i think you need to clear the air with your dad.

also can you simply cook your own meals?
i understand it is hard to move back home at your age, i did, and it was hard, but you have the double whammy of an ill mum, and I only lasted a month.
can you just take what he says with a pinch of salt?
what about your brother? does he get so much angst?

GlitterUnicornsAndAllThatJazz · 15/01/2018 08:26

Your dad sounds unreasonable and difficult but honestly if I were you I would just move out. Lifes too short.

expatinscotland · 15/01/2018 08:38

Your dad and your ex are bullying. I'd move back in with the ex. I'd get a mattress and plonk it in the living room. He'll never move otherwise.

Isetan · 15/01/2018 08:48

You need to agree a date for your Ex to move out, how is you paying half the mortgage in a place you no longer live in fair? Of course he’s going to drag his feet, where do you think he’s going to get a better deal than the one he has now (paying half for a place on his own)?

I’m sorry you’re in such a difficult situation but unless your Dad’s odd behaviour is a recent development, it’s just who he is and the price you pay to live with him. Your Ex needs to get gone, there’s going to be no reasoning with your Dad.

Cambionome · 15/01/2018 08:57

Yes, you need to be a lot less accommodating with your ex. Tell him that your current situation is causing you massive stress and you are going to have to move back in. Mention the mattress on the floor scenario... see if that gets him moving! Otherwise he's going to be dragging his feet for ever.

Isetan · 15/01/2018 14:20

No ambiguity when you speak to your Ex,or explaining. He can not afford to live in the flat and you won’t continue to subsidise him, he needs to be out by a certain date, where he goes is not your problem. Give some people an inch and they will take a mile and dragging his feet is definitely taking a mile.

If your split was amicable, wouldn’t moving back in be less stressful than your current set up? You’ve got more opportunities in changing the the situation with your zen then with your Parents.

It isn’t a case of what’s ‘normal’, It’s a case of what’s normal in your family dynamic and your family dynamic whilst you live at home would drive anybody crazy.

As long as your presence not around isn’t a visual reminder that the statu

category12 · 15/01/2018 16:34

It's unreasonable of your ex to drag out selling up the flat - and unreasonable of your dad to expect you to hang out washing in the rain etc. My first thought was maybe you inherited your autistic traits from him, tbh.

I would do your best to move out and damn whether it annoys the ex or not.

GloriousDolores · 15/01/2018 17:35

My mum had cancer last year - it was a huge shock and was very big, very suddenly. Her prognosis was good but my dad didn't handle it well. My sister was living with them at the time - actually, I'd say she acted a little like your dad too.

I think even if you know they're not going to die, cancer can bring out some whacky shit in you when its someone you love. For your dad, this will be scary, scary.

I think you help in the only way you know how and you grab it with both hands and you do it to death and in your dad's case its controlling eveythi g to the nth degree and not letting anyone else.

He sounds like he's always been a nightmare but I bet this isn't helping at all.

This sounds tough on you but I'd just say dont forget the one you should all be focussed on is your mum. Move out and support her from outside.

user1471548941 · 15/01/2018 18:40

Dolores that sounds really accurate. He’s always been a bit shouty but he seems to have taken this time as an opportunity to stamp his control over the house by controlling the chores/scheduling but in reality distancing himself from people who are trying to help him.

The thing is, I’m scared too and it’s really horrible watching her go through treatment. I want to help and be useful and supportive but I’m just yelled at or given silent treatment- that hurts.

We lost my Grandad a couple of years ago and he told me that he didn’t care that I’d lost my Grandad, he didn’t want to be my Dad anymore as he’d lost his Dad and that was worse. So we weren’t allowed to grieve more than him? It’s the same thing here, I’m not allowed to be sad about my Mum being ill or try and help because it’s his wife and that’s worse than it being your Mum. It’s like he plays a constant game of Top Trumps about who has the hardest life and he always has the trump card.

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deadringer · 15/01/2018 23:36

Sorry op but your dad sounds awful. I know that's not helpful but it really isn't you that's the problem. I have two grown up dc living with me and I am happy to have them. It sounds like you are doing your best to help but I don't think it will ever be enough. Move out asap for your own good.