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What would you expect your relationship with your parents to be like at 25 and still living at home?

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user1471548941 · 14/01/2018 21:55

Would genuinely like some opinions as I’m not sure where to gauge this situation. I’m autistic and find it hard to judge.

I’m 25 and have recently moved out of the home I own with my ex boyfriend (had some sound advice here about that too) and home to my parents. My Mum has cancer (prognosis is good but in the midst of chemo currently). The plan is to stay here to save to buy my ex out of my house.

I pay minimal rent (£120 per month) at my Mum’s insistence as I am trying to save the money to buy the house. My brother aged 21 also still lives here and pays the same. As there are 4 adults with full time salaries and the house is mortgage free I actually feel that £120 is probably near a quarter of the bills anyway. I offer to do the shopping each week also (not allowed) and run errands whenever required, clean the bathrooms (3 of them), clean up after myself, keep my own room tidy, do my own washing and ironing and always offer to do theirs (not allowed) and offer to cook whenever required (always told no and then when I do my Dad always says he doesn’t like it).

That is the crux of the issue really; my Dad wanting help with the house etc because of my Mum being ill, I offer/ask what needs doing, he says nothing and then rages at me for not helping.

Several notable incidences:

-Today he told me the bathrooms must be cleaned by 6pm. I said fine, went for a run at 1, was back by 3 ready to clean and he had already started doing them. I said “I’m going to do them” and he said “well you obviously weren’t as you haven’t left yourself enough time”. No notable evening plans, only his 6pm deadline. I assumed 3 hours plenty of time to clean 3 bathrooms? I do it reliably everyweek though sometimes switch days between Saturday and Sunday.

  • using the tumble dryer is banned as he thinks it a waste but my working day plus commute is 12 plus hours so often my only chance to wash is at the weekend and I have to wait to make sure the machine is free. The other week he made me hang my washing out in the rain 🤔 but today as I was hanging it out he told me “no point as it won’t dry in the cold”. I asked if I could use the dryer then and was told no. Wet washing around the house is also not allowed. It’s nearly impossible to get my washing done!
  • he does not allow any food waste in inside bins. Or recycling (aka loo roll tubes) in the bathroom bins. To get to the outside bin I must walk through three rooms, unlock the garage, put my shoes in, climb a ladder to the top shelf in the garage to retrieve the back door key, unlock back door and walk across the garden to the bins. And reverse to get back in. It is not acceptable to leave anything on a side to maybe take out later. I have sensory issues that make repeated trips outside difficult for me.

-he is obsessed with food waste and not having excess food in the house yet regularly throws away a batch of food (e.g. pasta) I have made and made extra for a couple of days of work lunches.

-after a couple of days of no food in the house and no dinner and no food to make any with I told my Mum I was concerned about the lack of food in the house and offered to shop. He overheard and came in and yelled at me that I shouldn’t even need to ask that I should just know that they are too stressed to bother with food right now and do it anyway ( I am autistic but think maybe this would be a stretch even for someone neurotypical?). I had text and asked if they wanted me to pick up any shopping on my way home each day that week and each day been told no, someone else would go.

He criticises small things like what time I shower (sometimes later in the weekends as there is no point showering before a run).

Is it me? Do I not do enough? I constantly offer but get told no and he also rushes around trying to do things so quickly that no one else has a chance to help. If you try and help the way you do something is criticised so sometimes I do avoid it a bit.

I am very career focussed but when an article on the news came on the other day he went off on a massive rant about how women can’t ever expect to get paid as much because eventually they have to quit and look after children. This went on to how the government is crap and is ruining the country and things like how he looks at fat people in the cancer unit and thinks they don’t deserve their treatment as they brought it on themselves. It was pretty scary and unhinged.

For context I work 10-11 hour days in a demanding job in a bank but need lots of rest to cope with this and my autism. My brother is 21, works less hours with a shorter commute and does not lift a finger. My Dad delivers their washing and ironing for my Grandma to do each week and even his plates are carried from the table to the dishwasher for him after dinner. My Mum and Dad both think that boys should not do housework.

What is this? Is it bad? Am I not doing enough? Should I pay more? Tonight he told my lovely Nanny who came round to cook us all a rost dinner that she couldn’t possibly understand how hard it is for him even though my Nanny also nursed my Grandad through years of chemo. I told him he should apologise as it was a horrible thing to say and he told me I should feel lucky he didn’t yell at more people as there were lots of people that deserved it.

I know a lot of you will say it’s because of the stress of my Mum’s illness which is probably true to an extent. But he has always been like this. I remember him throwing all of my possessions out my bedroom window when I was 17 as I got my nails done in a 2 hour break in a 16 hour split shift instead of coming home and tidying. My childhood memories are of him yelling, mainly about money and how resentful he was that we cost him money and how we were never grateful enough that he put food on the table.

Sorry that was huge but I had such supportive responses before that helped me make a good decision that I would appreciate it again.

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aftertheevent · 14/01/2018 22:19

Look. They are under no obligation really to provide you with low rent accommodation so that you can save up.
Also you are using autism as an excuse.
Your mum is ill and that must be the priority.
Presumably your dad has always been like this so there is no point in over analysing every incident.
You need to move out then you can control your relationship with your parents.

aftertheevent · 14/01/2018 22:23

Also as an adult you can see what needs doing so why keep on asking?
That would drive me crazy. Why not just do it?

Wallofglass · 14/01/2018 22:24

The only answer is to move out.

Cricrichan · 14/01/2018 22:26

Your dad sounds horrendous. He is bullying you and is using you as an outlet for whatever he's angry about. His behaviour is not acceptable.

What you do and offertory do is lovely and considerate. Having you stay does not create any more work for anyone, you pull your weight and offer to do more.

If I were you, I'd look to leave asap.

athingthateveryoneneeds · 14/01/2018 22:27

I would move out asap. I don't understand the nasty responses above, tbh. Your living situation sounds intolerable.

user1471548941 · 14/01/2018 22:32

I’m confused at the mixed responses.

To those who ask why I ask what to do to help; because he constantly rants that it’s no good people just doing stuff if it’s not useful stuff to do so that everyone should check first (my grandparents are also offering similar household help). I don’t really understand so I just keep up a constant “I’m putting a wash on, does anyone else have anything to put in”, or “I am going to cook X, would you like some?”

To those that say autism is an excuse; have you any idea what it is like to not understand when someone is angry/happy/grateful/irritated? I can’t tell my tone of voice or facial expression. Hence, I always ask people to clarify.

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WeaselsRising · 14/01/2018 22:36

TBH it sounds like your being there is adding to your father's stress. Our 2 adult DSs moved back in with us in early December and they are driving us mad.

As a pp said, just get on and do what needs doing in the house. My DIL draped wet washing over every radiator while I was out this weekend, which I didnt appreciate. I try not to dry clothes indoors apart from socks because it makes the house damp.

I dont think £120 is anywhere near enough for a month's board. Their not having a mortgage is irrelevant. £30 a week would barely cover your food, let alone the extra electricity, gas etc.

errorofjudgement · 14/01/2018 22:37

Your dad sounds quite unreasonable but you say he has always been like this so is unlikely to change now.
I would try to work on the issues you can, eg sitting together for an hour each week and discussing a rota for shopping, cooking and cleaning for the next week. The rota should have a fair share of the tasks going to your brother!
Re the dryer, if you do some googling I’m sure you can work out the approx hourly cost of using the dryer. Offer this as an additional rent to your parents,

Finally, be honest with yourself about how long you are likely to be living at home again. It might be better to cut your losses on the home you shared with your ex, force a sale and use your share of any capital to move on with your life.

shaggedthruahedgebackwards · 14/01/2018 22:38

Your Dad sounds like a very difficult man to live with

I couldn't live like that. I'd rather pay more for a room in a shared house personally

MidnightExpress1 · 14/01/2018 22:43

I think you need to move out, they got a lot going on with your mother and another adult living back in their own is adding unnecessary stress. I also agree £120pounds is nothing. I paid £250.

Cricrichan · 14/01/2018 22:46

Did you lot miss the bits where they say they don't want to accept more rent money??

Also, she's out working most of the day, clears up after herself, offers to go shopping, to out washing on and cookand cleans the bathrooms. She's not allowed to do any more!

IamtheOrpheliac · 14/01/2018 22:49

I think aftertheevent is being unreasonable. No, your parents aren't under any obligation to have you live with them, but since you are living with them, I assume they agreed to it.

I understand that your Mum's illness must be stressful for your Dad, but that's no excuse for the way he is behaving towards you. It sounds like you are doing your best to offer help and to fit in with their routines (waiting for the washing machine to be free ect). Is there any way you could calmly talk to your dad about this? Maybe ask him what he wants you to do around the house and could you perhaps come up with a list of household jobs that are 'yours' - for example cleaning the bathrooms once a week on x day, doing the food shopping once a week on x day (if that's doable with your schedule) and cooking on x day. Remind him that you are an adult and you can be trusted to do things when you say you will. I am also autistic and living with my parents (I'm 24) and this is the kind of set-up we have to avoid me being confused and coming across as unwilling to help/doing the wrong thing.

I agree with the people saying you need to move out asap, but obviously for that you need enough money!

PNGirl · 14/01/2018 22:52

I know you say your mum is ill but where is she in this? Has he always yelled like this at her/told her the housework is her responsibility due to being a woman?

Halie · 14/01/2018 22:53

I don't think you'll get much understanding or sympathy here because most people are going to be parents who are older than 25 and can't put themselves in your position.

I can put myself in your position because I've been in it.

The main point I'm going to make is: This is their house. That is something I had to come to terms with - I though it was 'mine'/'ours' because it was my childhood home - no, it's theirs, they pay the mortgage/vast majority of bills. It's their house. You are now an adult guest. It can be maddeningly frustrating living by other people's schedules/rules and putting up with other people's irritating/irrational quirks when you're a grown adult - I totally understand. BUT, you are a guest and unless you move out, you need to find a way to live in harmony.

You have 2 options if you don't like the experience of living in their house:

  1. Move out ASAP
  2. Create some rules for all of you - at the moment it's mess! You are a guest. Their schedule and their rules run the house, whether you like it or not. Again, this is something that pissed me off until I realized it is their house, their schedule/rules and just accepted that as fact. So rather than getting frustrating with their schedule/rules - ask precisely when is the best time in the week to do your washing - directly ask. Stick to that day/time. Ask what they want from you in terms of responsibilities i.e cleaning the bathroom. Ask them what day/time they want it done. Stick to it. Just be very clear on everything. When do they want you to go food shopping - are you expected to pay it or them? Write a rota once you've discussed it - show it to them and agree on it. It sounds over the top, but that way it leaves no room for arguments and if you feel like you're being criticized but you have stuck to the rota, then explain that politely. You need to be far more assertive and get some clear rules set - you will be constantly criticized unless you know exactly what is expected of you.

As for your Dad's 'no food waste in bins' quirk. Your parents may have some irrational/irritating/frustrating/disgusting habits. It's their house. The only way around that is to accept it.

As for your Dad's general attitude towards you and his attitude in your childhood - he sounds like he has anger/control issues. Just let it wash over you. Keep your head down, stick to a schedule and get out of there ASAP. You cannot change who they are or their habits in their own home - you are fighting a losing battle. This isn't something you're ever going to win. You either get out or you accept that you are a guest and it's their house, their rules.

It's a totally fucking shitty situation to be in - I've been there when I was completely broke and had to move back with an alchoholic parent who never cleaned, barely shopped for food and had disgusting habits but would critcize me for waking up later than 7am or leaving a butter knife in the sink.

Ultimately - it all comes down to control. It's their house and they want you to know it. Accept it or move out. In all honesty, I stayed too long (simply down to financial issues - unable to leave) and it drove me into resentment and sheer anger being treated as a child and criticized as a grown adult. Your best option is to get out and until you can, just accept that this is not a battle you're going to win - work around their rules and habits and try not to go insane.

Halie · 14/01/2018 22:59

Also - do not engage in political/religious etc related discussions because chances are that you will not agree and they will not accept/entertain your opinions and it will lead to arguments and again, resentments. Just keep conversation around the weather or anything neutral.

TheweewitchRoz · 14/01/2018 22:59

You sound like you're doing your best Op & it sounds hard.

If I were you (& assuming you can't afford to move out), I'd buy my own shopping & use a launderette. Don't compare to your brother as you'll not be able to change them or him, only control your own actions & reactions to how he's treated.

Good luck Op as it sounds so difficult. Hope your mum gets better soon & the stress on your dad eases off.

TheweewitchRoz · 14/01/2018 23:00

Cross posted with Hailie - totally agree with everything she has said. Good luck Op.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 14/01/2018 23:00

Your Dad sounds like really hard work. Is there any chance you could go and stay with your grandparents? Otherwise I would suggest finding a cheap shared flat.

Your Dad is unlikely to change. Do you think he might be on the spectrum himself and super stressed out about what is happening to your mum?

K1092902 · 14/01/2018 23:03

DSD is 25 and currently living with us. Works part time.

Allowed to come and go as she pleases but we do ask she texts one of us if she is staying out overnight. Aware we wouldn't know if she didn't live here but out of sight and all that. It does irk us a little when she comes up at 3am and turns on the landing light which can wake us up but nothing to make a big deal out of.

Expected to do own washing and ironing and cooking (as is DSD2 who is 18) and help around the house if asked. Cooks 2 nights a week as does DSD2. Usually babysits if asked but we understand if it's last minute and she already has plans. Bedroom is a shit tip but her responsibility to tidy.

Cambionome · 14/01/2018 23:05

I think some of the posts on here are awful!

Your father sounds absolutely impossible. Of course, he is under a lot of stress at the moment but he sounds positively unhinged! Does he have mental health issues?

I can't think of anything very helpful to say - except keep saving so you can leave as soon as possible - but I'll just add that my 25 year old ds lives with me and I wouldn't dream of treating him like that. (I don't have the stress of an illness to deal with but I am in the middle of a very difficult divorce, which isn't a bed of roses).

PNGirl · 14/01/2018 23:07

I agree with Hailie. I think a proper agreed-to schedule or rota will prevent him from moving all the goalposts when he's feeling pissy.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 14/01/2018 23:09

Yes DS(24) is at home. Pays £200 pcm. Works full time, does his own washing, (generally on a Sunday night but we are flexible), cleans his own room and bathroom. I generally cook because I like cooking. If he's not going to be home he lets us know. Goes to the shop when requested, does chores as requested, does the odd job (cuts grass, empties dishwasher) without being asked.

Honestly I think of him as an adult sharing our space.

K1092902 · 14/01/2018 23:14

With regards to washing OP- go out and buy yourself a cheap clothes horse and leave it in your bedroom. Don't see how he can complain about that.

BackforGood · 14/01/2018 23:14

I don't understand the first 2 responses at all.

Even a couple of paragraphs in, it was clear your Dad is acting very unreasonably. He seems to have some need to control everything in minute detail. I personally could not live with that, and I doubt many people could. If you'd posted all that controlling abuse about a partner, the thread would be unanimously telling you to leave him / get out.

I'm a bit puzzled how living with your parents is letting you save to buy your ex out. Are you letting your house out ?
Why don't you live in your house and let out a room / some rooms to save up money to buy your ex out ?

Either way, I wouldn't be able to live in that house with your Dad.

user1471548941 · 14/01/2018 23:17

Thanks for all your views. I agree with alot of Haile’s points and have been trying to put in a schedule (e.g. saying I will clean the bathrooms’s at weekends and then being clear about which day/time). But everytime I ask about agreeing to such a thing I get told there is no point having a schedule as we all have to just make it up as we go along because of my Mum. A schedule would really help my autism too. My Dad does not believe I have autism as thinks it’s just an excuse for people to behave poorly. I think it’s a really interesting point about him maybe also being on the spectrum and struggling to cope.

MacMillan have offered us all counselling and I did suggest to him that he go as he seemed to be struggling but again I was yelled at. He just wants to control everything (which I think is understandable) but it’s impossible to try and help or please him, everything is just met with yelling!

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