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My partner and kids keep arguing

69 replies

Essex123 · 13/01/2018 22:09

I have two girls aged 20 and 15 and have been with my new partner for 6 years. Over the years we have had issues as he can be quite a control freak and is quite paranoid often sparking arguments over nothing.
Myself and partner had a baby four months ago whom my girls adore.
Tonight as we ate dinner baby was screaming, and once my daughter finished her meal she asked my partner if he wanted her to take the baby so he could eat his dinner, with that he swore at us all and starting acting like we were suggesting he couldn't settle the baby and we all could, again totally paranoid. My daughter confronted him about being rude and he swore again at us saying f... us all. They want him to leave and I do feel we have run our course but although it is my flat he refuses to leave because of the baby, he states he's not leaving without his son!!!!. I am fed up of all of this but he seems to think he has a right to be here when he doesn't officially live here, just comes regularly since baby has been born.
He is a real mummy's boy who thinks he does no wrong, and always blames everything else for his behaviour, think this is why he is like he is, but I cannot continue with his childish ways making our home have a horrible atmosphere, he has a key to my house which he has refused to give back before, and he always tries to be nice when I ask for key back, anyone else been in similar situation?
Also he can row with me, but has no right to bring my kids into it and be nasty to them in their own home.

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Nanny0gg · 13/01/2018 23:53

He has no rights. Change the locks when he's out, phone the police if he causes trouble.

If he has any possessions at yours bag them up and leave them outside.

Get in touch with CMS to make sure he pays for his child.

If he won't speak civilly to you about contact, see a solicitor.

bastardkitty · 13/01/2018 23:55

He needs to leave and you can make him - he has no rights to stay. He sounds awful.

HadronCollider · 13/01/2018 23:59

Essex its not always like this no idea whats happened today!. I'm sure other posters will give more support. Sometimes I have jumped on posters and regretted it later. But this can be a really supportive fabulous place also.

Essex123 · 14/01/2018 00:04

I'm sure but I feel like utter shit now and wish I had not started it off, am quite a quiet person who normally keeps things to myself, but tonight not sure why I made the mistake of opening up, hey ho won't do it again x

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Merryoldgoat · 14/01/2018 00:07

Essex - you're self-sufficient and he doesn't live with you. As everyone has said, change the locks, pack his gear up and tell him he needs to go to court for access or arrange for access supervised in a neutral location.

I know you're getting a hard time - and I'm not always the most gentle poster, but sometimes after we've read 5 or 6 posts you become hardened and angry with the shitty men and frustrated with the women who stay with them.

FWIW I begged my mum to leave her partner who sounds like yours. She didn't. Instead she had another baby to pretend it was all ok and then died suddenly leaving chaos. Think about the legacy you want to leave your children. The life you're currently leading isn't good for any of you.

Olikingcharles · 14/01/2018 00:10

Hello i'm sorry some of the replies have not been very supportive. Firstly a big hug to you. The whole situation sounds awful. My advice if he won't give the key back when asked change the locks. He has no rights to be there anyway. Then i'd set about making formal visitation for him to see his son.

Springiscoming123 · 14/01/2018 00:11

Do you have a plan in your head op?

Essex123 · 14/01/2018 00:13

I know maybe I should of expected this response, just shocked me quite abit.
Maybe it's the kick up the arse I need in the long run, maybe I needed to hear some of this stuff, just doesn't make it easy at the time.
Thanks again for taking the time to respond its much appreciated

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Essex123 · 14/01/2018 00:21

After reading some of the posts I have confronted him tonight, he says he will go in morning, although threatened to take baby if I take key away, this is only because he feels out of control with the situation and I know it's just words.
Don't worry I can stand my ground with him if need be, and think lots of stuff was said tonight in anger and frustration.
For my kids sake I am not going to have my baby used as a weapon and I know he's just saying it out of desperation, he is not physically violent or anything, so just gonna wait till the morning when everyone is calmer and have told him we will discuss things like adults.

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FredaNerkk · 14/01/2018 00:22

Hang in here. And at home. It sounds like you are thinking along the right lines now. He is a problem.
As other supportive pp have said:
Get locks changed asap.
Get some advice from W Aid. If you want, simply say that sadly the relationship is no longer working, but as he is DF to your son you are quite willing to facilitate a positive relationship between DS and him. Ask him for his suggestions. Then think about his suggestions. There may be a big difference between what he thinks is appropriate and what you think is safe and sensible. Depends on his parenting, whether you are BF'ing, whether he has support from family/friends, what his accommodation will be. It may be that him seeing your son several times per week to take him for a short walk, for a short time is the best? They can get to know each other - not inside your place which could be a problem for your older DDs.

Weezol · 14/01/2018 00:24

As others have said, change the locks and involve police/CMS if necessary. The first few weeks may be a bit fraught, but you are doing the right thing for a better life in the years that will follow.

Your two daughters sound brilliant, you have clearly been a great mum to them, this shows in how considerate they were in the incident in your first post.

I'm sure once the dust has settled you and your children will feel a lot better.

MiddleClassProblem · 14/01/2018 00:28

He could be a long time sufferer of undiagnosed anxiety but that’s not your problem. When he next leaves, change the locks. He doesn’t live there, you don’t need to tell him. He has no right to be in the property but would suggest supervised visits to DS if he’s a flight risk.

Essex123 · 14/01/2018 00:29

Many thanks, I am so proud of all of my kids and have not purposely put them in any danger, I've just tried to be a nice person, and as the cliche goes we have a lot more nice times than bad, just think today something came to a head.

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Cabininthewoods69 · 14/01/2018 00:49

Go you I wish I could be this strong. Once he is out change locks and take back control. I just wish I could do this with my ever increasing abusive dh.

You should be proud of yourself xx

Essex123 · 14/01/2018 01:10

We need to stick together us women, I'm no stronger than anyone else honestly, just reached a point where it can't carry on anymore.
Good luck to you too honey, hope you find that inner strength which I'm sure you will x

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bastardkitty · 14/01/2018 08:06

'If you make any attempt to take the baby I will call the police'.

HadronCollider · 14/01/2018 08:24

Cabin get a diary or notebook, keep it hidden, and every time your DH is abusive write it down. Every fortnight re-read what you have written. Think about how each incident has made you feel. You could have 2 coloumns for eg., Action: Called me x name/was sarcastic/denigrated my opinion. Response: Felt stupid/worthless/angry.

The writing is because often after the incident has passed, we can go into mental reset mode, we ignore the previous behaviour and how it made us feel even though we know it is wrong. We hope things will change and carry on.

Writing it down prevents this. Eventually it may give you the strength to take actionFlowers

WellThisIsShit · 14/01/2018 10:57

You were really brave last night Flowers

How’s it all going this morning? Did he leave?

These threats about the baby are worth writing down (well, all the threats are actually). They may just be the way he can most hurt you or hit out to regain control, but you shouldn’t have to be dealing with them or minimising them in your head. I did the same with my stbxh even though the threats scared the hell out of me, as they were intended to. Took me ages to really ‘know’ in my heart not just in my head that a man who really loved me would never have uttered those words no matter how much I could play my own mind games to minimise them.

Keep firm and believer in your daughters too as they sound rather brilliant.

Inthishouse · 14/01/2018 11:06

Hi Essex. Just read this thread and wanted to say that you sound brilliant and brave in the way that you are taking charge of this situation. You have no need to regret the relationship; you have a beautiful son! DS' s dad is the only one in this situation who should be feeling like an inadequate prick. Stay strong - things might get worse while he tries to regain control - but things can get so much better for you and your family as time goes on Flowers

Aquamarine1029 · 14/01/2018 14:09

Why are you allowing this asshole to abuse your children like this?? How horrible for them. Their mother isn't even shielding them from a vicious bully in their own home.

Barmymammy · 14/01/2018 14:12

OP, I've made loads of bad decisions with relationships. I'm now strong and in a good place. You've made a start, so well done for that. Stay strong and you will get there. Sending love and strength. Flowers

To the critical posters, FFS you are everything that's horrible about Mumsnet. Usually posters are supportive, so you lot can just fuck off and leave the OP alone. If you've nothing helpful to say, then STFU.

SandyY2K · 14/01/2018 14:41

@Merryoldgoat*

You're spot on with this.

I know you're getting a hard time - and I'm not always the most gentle poster, but sometimes after we've read 5 or 6 posts you become hardened and angry with the shitty men and frustrated with the women who stay with them.

Merryoldgoat · 14/01/2018 14:54

@SandyY2K

I don't want to derail but I just find myself screaming at the phone screen sometimes.

I want to know what I can DO to stop all of the disordered thinking - to make some women realise their self-worth.

As I've posted in the past I grew up in a house where my mum was in a really toxic relationship and was so unhappy most of the time and I think her insistence that I didn't end up like her really stuck. She died when I was 19 and left such chaos that 20 years later we're still trying to clean up some of the mess which was her legacy.

I've got a son and another on the way and I will teach them all I can about being respectful and responsible and will not allow them to treat any early partners badly and continue to try to model a happy and functional home life. I suppose that's all I and my DH can do.

Barmymammy · 14/01/2018 15:38

Women who choose abusive men may have learned that relationships are like this, from their upbringing.

Some women enter a relationship and at first it's everything they hoped for. They commit to their partners and acquire a home, possessions, pets and a life. They may become pregnant and research shows that this time can be the start of an abusive relationship. The woman is vulnerable and an abuser may seize an opportunity to start controlling her. This may be subtle to start with but can include criticising her, humiliating her and generally undermining her self-esteem. He will perhaps stop her from going out and seeing her family and friends, isolating her from supportive contact.

When the baby is born, the power and control often escalates.

Sometimes actual physical violence is used to control the woman.

A woman will begin to feel helpless and frightened. He may threaten to torture their pets and the baby if she doesn't do as she is told.

She may lose all her self-esteem after being told continually that she is useless, ugly, etc. She may begin to believe that she wouldn't cope on her own.

She might consider trying to leave but often he controls their finances, making it difficult. She may feel for her life and many women are actually murdered if they try and leave an abusive relationship.

She has her whole life tied in with her abuser. Her possessions, her home, her children her pets. Try and imagine just walking away from that.

I know the OP is in a better situation than some. However, I have tried to explain how living with an abuser affects someone.

I know someone who lived with someone who beat her. He held their baby over the lit gas hob and told her that if she didn't do what he said he would burn the baby. One day in a rage he stripped the woman naked, raped her with a glass bottle and locked her out of the house. This abuse went on for years. The children were emotionally damaged and a referral to social care was made by the school. Social workers and health care professionals became involved but the woman denied anything was wrong. This was out of fear for her life. Eventually everything escalated to the point that the terrified woman walked into Sure Start with her children and begged them to help her.

She was taken into a safe refuge and eventually was rehoused anonymously away from her abuser.

This account is just the tip of the iceberg. Just look up the statistics for domestic abuse, it's all there.

www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/

Barmymammy · 14/01/2018 15:43

I hope my words may help some to understand how difficult it is for some women.

@Merryoldgoat

You said:
I don't want to derail but I just find myself screaming at the phone screen sometimes

I want to know what I can DO to stop all of the disordered thinking - to make some women realise their self-worth

Don't blame a woman for disordered thinking. Their self-worth has been eroded from their treatment.

What you could do, is volunteer for Women's Aid.