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How do we go about going NC with BIL and SIL?

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sarararararah · 27/12/2017 20:49

We have always had a difficult relationship with DH’s brother’s wife. I’m pretty confident she is a narcissist or possibly has attachment issues with her own DM. I’m not really sure. Either way she is difficult and extremely hard to predict.

Last Christmas BIL texted to ask if we wanted to meet up with PILs for a Christmas meal. DH didn’t get back to them for about a week as things were really hectic at work for both of us. Admittedly this was a bit shit of him but hardly crime of the century. When we replied we were told the date we needed to agree to, except we couldn’t as we were going to see a friend’s concert, but we could make half an hour after they asked for. We were told no, their Dd would need to be in bed by then(she was then 7) We were surprised as they’ve never been sticklers for routine but told them to go ahead without us if that was the case. We then said to PIL on the phone about it and they suggested we join them for a drink when the concert was over. This meant we got there about 5:30. When we walked in, it was immediately obvious this was a huge problem. SIL said to BIL, “That’s it. Never again.” And then instructed him to get a large glass of wine as “She needed it to get through this.” I busied myself getting chairs for us and asking the manager if we could possibly order something for the children to eat. This was also clearly a problem to BIL and SIL. So, I said to her, very quietly and calmly, that we had obviously upset her, that we were sorry about that and what was the problem so we could sort it out? Reading that, it sounds as though I was aggressive, but I really wasn’t. Anyway, she went ballistic, said we had ignored BILs texts, obviously didn’t want to come and had then “rocked up” and ruined everything. I apologised again, DH suggested we would leave if she liked. She told us no so then we carried on. Obvs it was v uncomfortable but we both tried (Dh and I) to make conversation whilst she texted someone furiously and then eventually left whilst BIL and DN stayed. I should add, so as not to dripfeed, that she had had a miscarriage 8 weeks before that.

Anyway, they stopped talking to us after that. We have tried every month or so to repair things and make contact - mostly unsuccessfully. They did allow DN to come to DS’s birthday party last month and they have sent birthday presents for the children. They have also, in the meantime had a new DS who is 14 days old. They did text to say he had been born but have ignored most of DH’s texts back since despite saying in the summer that we would be welcome to see him when he was born.

They do have form for this type of thing as they ignored our DD (who is nearly 10) for the first 16 months of her life and only made contact again when I wrote to them and then they had DN which triggered an apology from them. I suppose I was hoping for the same this time.

My question is, we clearly can’t make this right. We have tried everything we can think of. Do we just leave it and do nothing, or do we write to them explaining why we’re doing what we’re doing? We both are extremely upset over all of this. We both hate conflict and find it goes over and over in our mind. We need to forget about it. It’s not easy as our DC’s love their cousin and are very upset not to have met their new baby cousin. If you’ve made it through this mammoth essay(sorry, I did try to cut it) what would you advise?

OP posts:
category12 · 28/12/2017 20:01

A surprise reading at a christening not discussed with the parents - that's wholly unreasonable. No wonder she fell out with the PIL Hmm.

sarararararah · 28/12/2017 21:49

Look. I didn’t actually post asking for the rights and wrongs of the situation. I’ve admitted our part in it. Surely there are ways of letting people know you’re annoyed? You don’t have to go mental or stop talking to people. Do your families really go round going NC just because someone’s done something that’s annoying or thoughtless or whatever?
My MIL is lovely. Truly lovely. She thought she was doing a nice thing. They’re all religious (I’m not) and had found something lovely. The words were absolutely beautiful. I would’ve been thrilled if she’d done it for my DC. (She didn’t because we didn’t have ours christened). In my world someone being unintentionally rude or thoughtless is not justification for these divisions and rude, vile behaviour. You can explain the problem without being awful.
They have done a hell of a lot worse to us, been extremely rude and thoughtless on countless occasions and ignored the birth of our DD completely which was extremely hurtful. We are not some cosy group who have known each other for years. We have always been perfectly lovely to her. She’s been around for 10+ years so hardly an interloper! We would like BIL to be happy.
To the poster who said we were hours late, I really don’t know where you got that from! We were not late at all. We were half an hour after they wanted us to be there but we had a prior commitment and we told them that - well in advance.
Orange - thanks for the support.
I’m going to step away now. I’ve never really posted before (long time lurker) and I didn’t realise how tricky it is to convey complex situations in the written word. I think I’ll read other people’s posts with more understanding of that now.
I have my answer about what to do.

OP posts:
Gemini69 · 28/12/2017 21:53

Ignore Block.. the end Flowers

llangennith · 28/12/2017 22:08

Just leave it OP. Stop engaging with them. If they want to get in touch with you they’ll do so.
Do not keep pestering them. Let it go!

Nanny0gg · 28/12/2017 22:28

Look. I didn’t actually post asking for the rights and wrongs of the situation. I’ve admitted our part in it. Surely there are ways of letting people know you’re annoyed? You don’t have to go mental or stop talking to people. Do your families really go round going NC just because someone’s done something that’s annoying or thoughtless or whatever?

Depends how often.

Some of us can see her PoV a bit. Don't think your family can.

FitBitFanClub · 28/12/2017 22:47

Bloody hell! There are some posters on here who seem to be as uptight and high maintenance as your batty sil.
My advice, as others, is to leave it. She appears to be determined to make you the baddies and I can't see how you're going to get her to change her mind, not without falling prostrate at her feet for her to dismiss you further.
I have a sil who sounds similar. She's been on the scene now for over 30 years. We've learned to tolerate her but actually have as little to do with her as we possibly can. We are in contact with my brother independently. My dn is old enough to make contact with us independently too, and we think has made their own assessment of the situation and decided we're not the monsters we've been painted as.

Good luck with it all. Thanks

TemptressofWaikiki · 29/12/2017 02:25

OP, your SIL sounds like the kind of person who loves to find a reason to be offended. And what you did really doesn’t warrant this ridiculous charade! Talk about making a mountain out of mole hill. Yes, it’s a bit tardy to not reply for a week but when you are crazy busy at work, things sometimes slip. I am self-employed, running my own company and sometimes there aren’t enough hours in the day and on the rare occasion, I too don’t get in touch for a few days while I try to get an urgent job done, I barely sleep or eat. I would seriously tell anyone to fuck off to the other side of fuck and then fuck off some more if they behaved the way your SIL did over a minor issue when you were clear that you could come half an hour later. Who the hell does she think to dictate to others when to be there, especially if your PIL wanted you to still come. You have done nothing wrong. Save yourself all this stress and just ignore them. The onus is on them to make contact and apologise for their ridiculous behaviour! Maybe one day, your BIL can retrieve his balls from the pickle jar your SIL seems to keep them in….

Mummyoflittledragon · 29/12/2017 06:28

She sounds just like my sil. Her behaviour at my stepdads funeral was disgusting. She treated my dd (9) abysmally twice during the day. Once within 5 mins of arriving. Then when I said something, sil feigned the hurt, whiney thing. They also dumped their kid on me (chronically ill) and the grieving widow to get pissed down the pub after the wake. Then returned and she screamed at my dd for getting upset about something (dd started crying and ran to me for a cuddle) because her ds is little and shouldn’t be witnessing this (a situation of her making). Hmm. Dd had just said goodbye to her grandad.

I’m sure they have quite a different spin on things as they’re very entitled and have the right to behave and treat people however they see fit. They act as though we have no rights. Anyone, who doesn’t act and do as them are difficult and challenging. My brother said something nasty to me and was violent to me the day of stepdads burial. We are now nc with them. Unlike your pils, my brother is golden child and according to my mother, I am the unreasonable one. My dh cannot even stand to hear my brothers name mentioned anymore.

This isn’t the first drama they created. But we decided it will be the last.

Live your life, be happy. It sounds as if they have a terribly dynamic. You are better off without them. The only thing I would want is perhaps to be there for their children when they grow up in case they need you. I have decided to continue to send my nephew presents. Idk if they will be received as from us or repackaged as something else. This is unknown territory right now. I’m also not sure if dd has a present from them. I suspect not as my mother hasn’t mentioned she has a present at her house for dd.

Greenshoots1 · 29/12/2017 06:38

So, I said to her, very quietly and calmly, that we had obviously upset her, that we were sorry about that and what was the problem so we could sort it out?

This does sound EXTREMELY provocative

I think you should just disengage totally and leave the brothers to do their own thing.

annandale · 29/12/2017 06:48

I don't think you did anything wrong, or at least not more than eye-roll territory.

I would just let it lie. They are still contacting you occasionally. I consider myself to have perfectly reasonable family relationships with people I am in touch with less than that.

FitBitFanClub · 29/12/2017 10:04

Extremely provoctative? ShockHmm
What sort of world do some of you live in??

Xmaspuddingdisaster · 29/12/2017 10:29

Surprise reading is not lovely at all.
Two weeks of silence post baby is easily explained by, er, having a new baby.

OrangeCarpet · 29/12/2017 11:13

Xmaspuddingdisaster - what is 16 months of silence post baby? What is a year of silence following someone arriving for a drink later than asked? I’d say it is manipulative and abusive. But you go ahead and pluck out a couple of examples from the story to beat the OP with to make yourself feel better if that’s what gives you kicks. I’m pretty sure she’s left the thread now anyway.

Xmaspuddingdisaster · 29/12/2017 11:43

Orange you need to calm down. It’s perfectly ok to point out examples of behaviour that might put forward another point of view. I don’t think the relationship is salvageable. But I think there are examples of unreasonable behaviour being directed against the sil too. (Attachment issues? Bil’s wish not to be married (while still sleeping with her) being passed around the family?)
If OP’s just want an echo chamber then that’s fine I suppose Confused

Cantuccit · 29/12/2017 12:08

Tbh I didn’t really ask whether we were in the wrong or they were.

Yeah, AIBU doesn't quite work like that Grin

Look, you and DH are starting to embarrass yourselves with the amount of chasing you've been doing.

Just stop it. Don't give them the satisfaction of begging anymore.

No more calls. No more te ts. No more gifts. No more cards. Go full NC.

Honestly, it's so much better than low contact.

Greenshoots1 · 29/12/2017 12:30

What sort of world do some of you live in??

to be honest, if someone said something like that to me "very quietly and calmly" I would interpret it as " you are a total arse, but look at goody goody me, so superior and morally better that I am prepared to humour you and make allowances for your total arsery"

that is how the op came across to me with her description of how she spoke to SIL. It is quite possibly how she came across to SIL, as well, so I can quite understand the response she got.

Xmaspuddingdisaster · 29/12/2017 12:47

We’re in relationships not aibu!
But I agree with the poster who said it’s more about wanting the last word, as it appears they have already gone no contact with the OP!

OrangeCarpet · 29/12/2017 12:49

This thread is in Relationships not AIBU Cantuccit.

Cantuccit · 29/12/2017 13:09

Oh, sorry. MN doesn't really work like that then!

People will always comment on the situation as well, not just answer your question.

FitBitFanClub · 29/12/2017 13:54

Grennshoots, Then I'm afraid I think you maybe have some "ishoos" in life. You sound as much hard work as the Sil in the OP.

Greenshoots1 · 29/12/2017 13:58

Grennshoots, Then I'm afraid I think you maybe have some "ishoos" in life. You sound as much hard work as the Sil in the OP.

I have no "ishoos". OP wants opinions. My opinion is that her condescending attitude my well have wound SIL up past the point of no return.

yourhavingagiraffee · 29/12/2017 14:02

Op I feel for use. We are experiencing same issues. 2 brothers fallen out due to bil wif3, on speaking terms again but not the same. Huge rift in the family and everyone scared to say anything in case they lose bil & GC.

FitBitFanClub · 29/12/2017 14:08

You have interpreted a condescending attitude from nowhere. That implies "ishoos" to me.

Greenshoots1 · 29/12/2017 14:15

mybe I have misinterpreted it, but the OPs own description of herself sounds insufferable to me. I couldn't stand being around someone with that attitude to me.

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