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Is it my fault ? Should I move in with him ? Or end it once and for all ?

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piginthemiddle · 11/12/2017 01:31

Need some things put into perspective Mumsnetters.

My DS dad really wants us to move in together. We are both 24. He wants us to settle down officially and make a go of it, to move on from the past, let go and look forward to the future. Sounds great ? My heart is telling me to go for it, give DS dad a proper chance to be a dad...be family and him taking a part, fully, in DS care. However, my head is telling me, no, that I might as well give up on life. He also mentioned to me that it's my fault that things are the way they now are...not living together, being stuck in the past. He even asked me "What good did you get from staying at your Aunty's house". I replied to him that "I got a degree ". Something I wouldn't achieve if I lived with him.

These are my reason why I'm cautious to make a go of things and "let go".

  1. DS dad and I got together in our early teens, not long after that DS was born. He was highly abusive, in every aspect. You name it, sexually, physically, emotionally. Social services were in and out of mine and, my then, young son's life. He asked me to move with him then but I couldn't. He was abusive, I knew I would make a huge mistake in living him. I also didn't want DS to grow up in that abusive environment. Thankfully, he is not like this anymore, social services were happy with the supervised visits, his allowed to see DS unsupervised and SS are no longer involved.


  1. He smokes weed. I know a few Mumsnetters on here who have no issues with weed. But DS dad smokes it too much. When we used to stay over at DS's dad in the past. I use to hate waking up in the morning to smell that foul weed smoke. I also don't want DS to be brought up in a house where he can smell or see his dad smoking a spliff.


  1. His not a "man" or a "father". I can't picture him when DS reaches his teenage years and giving him mature/ adult advice. Plus, his a bit childish... a minor example...DS really wants a Nintendo DS for Christmas, DS dad said he "will get him a PS4", I told him " Well DS wants other things for Christmas, he doesn't want a PS4". DS dad replied "Well..he will once I buy it for him". Can you see ? DS dad doesn't think about DS wants. He only wants to get PS4 for DS (which I highly doubt he will get anyway) as it's something he would want to buy for himself (even though he has one). ifyswim.


  1. We don't live together. But he doesn't support DS at all. Not financially, emotionally, doesn't see DS unless for special occasions..e.g. Birthdays, Christmas, Easter, School plays. He now has his own place..2 hours away, he tells me "DS can't stay over yet as he still has to sort out his house". DS has only stayed over there once. Makes many excuses not to support his child, such as "is on benefits and has bills to pay "...he's now working but again using the same excuse " I have bills to pay, when you live by yourself then you would know what I'm talking about". Due to us having DS young, he got kicked out from his parents house and was homeless for quite a few years ( I helped him tremendously during this period). He reckons that his done "all of this" for DS and doesn't want to give up everything for DS again Confused. DS is very into football and he hasn't taken DS to his football classes or even kicked around with a ball in the park. His excuse is " I'm not into football". Well neither am I, but I take DS to his football classes, tournaments because it's his interests.


  1. Makes me feel like shit. He came to an event, which DS was participating in. He told me that the receptionist flirted with him and said " I can't believe DS is your son, he's a very handsome boy" to which DS dad replied " Yes, he got it from me" and she said "Yes, I can see that". Sad.

We were in the store with DS and he eyed up this woman and turned his head to stare at her. When we walked out from the shop. He then proclaimed that " he forgot to buy something". Which the real reason was so that he can check out this woman some more, as she was in the store. He tells me that I dress too posh and act like it too.

  1. Wants to have sex too much. Honestly, if I officially moved in with him. He would want sex at least 3 times a day. As a result, I fear I may end up with loads of kids with little to no support.


All that being said. DS dad wants us to have another go for a relationship, but this time move in together. Sort of like.... I don't know if any of you watch Eastenders and seen the Lauren and Steven's story-line. But DS dad is like Steven, where he wants to settle down and like (Lauren) who isn't too sure.

What would you Mums netters do ? Should I forget what happened in the past ? Should I go for it ? Is it my fault, like DS dad had said, that the reason why the way things are is because of me?

In honesty. I think this is a bad idea. I'm 24, I really don't want to end up in this revolving cycle and not move on from DS dad till I'm about 50. But, I don't know what to do. Should we try again ? Should I accept his proposal ?
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letsdolunch321 · 11/12/2017 11:39

I would not attempt to move in - You need to question in what way has DS father shown responsibility?!?

He needs to start paying for his son

Stop smoking weed and grow the fuck up.

Your son is 7, he looks up to his dad respects & listens - can you imagine at 17 your son will be copying dad smoking weed and treating people like shit as he listened to his father when he was younger

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Thebluedog · 11/12/2017 11:46

I got halfway through reading point number 1 and that would be enough for me not to move in with him.

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TrojansAreSmegheads · 11/12/2017 11:52

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DasPepe · 11/12/2017 11:53

You are different people. Sounds like he's there one stuck in the past - the past of childhood.

You sound sorted and you got a degree! That's quite a feat with a young child. Well done. Get on with your happy life and do not look back. Do not consider moving in with anyone who isn't supporting their children. Look at all the threads where a woman wants to leave a relationship like this once three are together.

He sees his son. You don't owe him anything else.
Are you happy- just you and your DS? Hen don't ruin it!

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JeremyCorbynsBeard · 11/12/2017 11:55

Have you read your post OP? It's a list of why you shouldn't move in with this person, or even continue a relationship with him.

You'll be much, much better off not living with him, and the chance to meet someone else will be much greater.

Even though he's your DS's father, it doesn't mean he'll become a better person for living with you both. In fact, if he does get worn down by domesticity he may well lash out and become more abusive again.

He sounds like a total arse - selfish, childish, irresponsible.

Forget what your friends are doing - they may well be splitting up thmeselves in a few years' time, so don't feel you have to do what they do.

I was a single parent for 4 years (until I was 30), then met someone fantastic, who has helped to raise my DD, and we have a DS together.

Don't think he's your only hope (which is what it sounds like you're saying). There are plenty more, much better fish in the sea.

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pullingmyhairout1 · 11/12/2017 11:55

Please get away from this man. He will never be good for you or your son if you lived together.

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CousinKrispy · 11/12/2017 11:59

Good for you for getting a degree and for having the strength to live separately from this man. It takes a lot of determination to get through that when you have been abused.

Have you ever spoken to Women's Aid or a counsellor about your relationship with this man? Have you tried the Freedom Programme? I don't want to sound like I'm bossing you around as you need to make your own decisions, but I truly hope you won't go back to a partner who abused you. he will simply abuse you again and your son will grow up thinking it is OK for men to abuse women and that would be heartbreaking.

I asked about the Freedom Programme because it might help you think more clearly about what you deserve (someone better than this loser!!).

I know it's easier said than done, but try not to worry about your friends. It's much, much better to live life as a kickass single mum than to be married to a harmful loser. You have the rest of your life ahead of you to find a healthy, loving partner--you don't have to settle for this guy.

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GottadoitGottadoit · 11/12/2017 12:02

Letting go of the past does not mean that you have to forgive people who have treated you badly.

DO NOT MOVE IN WITH THIS MAN!!!

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ThisLittleKitty · 11/12/2017 12:03

I'm sorry but I thought ss didn't let people get back together if there has been violence between them. Well not without being heavily involved?
I have 4 children and I'm a lone parent ex isn't involved at all. You have one you will cope.

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LanaKanesLeftNippleTassle · 11/12/2017 12:06

YOU ARE ONLY 24!!
You have your whole life ahead of you to settle down, find someone decent.

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES CONTINUE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS MAN.

Especially just because all your mates are settling down. That's like one of the worst reasons to shack up with someone, even if they're a decent guy.

He's an abusive arsehole.

Abusive arseholes do not change. Ever.

Abusive arseholes do not make good Dads, and you would be setting your DS up for a childhood of more abuse if you put him under the same roof as this man.

Abusive arseholes do not make good partners, or boyfriends.

He sexually and physically abused you.

He will do so again, only your son will be witness to it.

If your son has mental health issues, forcing him to live with a selfish abusive cunt will MAKE IT WORSE.

Boys don't need shitty Dad's in their lives, they need a decent parent.

You sound like you are a decent parent.

I can tell you with absolute 100% certainty that your future with this man will be full of misery and abuse, and so will your sons.

You don't want him to grow up in an abusive household, do you??

You don't want Social Services involved agin do you?
Because they 100% will be if you get back with him.

Cut him out of your life as much as possible and move on.

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LanaKanesLeftNippleTassle · 11/12/2017 12:10

Oh and please please do the Freedom Programme.
You can do it online if you can't get to a meeting.

It helped me reset my boundaries after 4 years of a very violent and abusive relationship.

I now have the strongest boundaries and the lowest tolerance for even slightly abusive behaviour.

I would rather be single for ever than tolerate even 1% of the things I put up with from my ex.

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userabcname · 11/12/2017 12:10

OP, I think perhaps (in the kindest possible way), you are being a bit naive about what a future with this man would be like. You say you would like help parenting but everything you've told us suggests that not only would you still be doing everything for your DS by yourself, you'd also be looking after this man-child too. On top of that, he'd be demanding sex, eyeing up other women and in all likelihood abusing you again. How on earth is that going to help you be a better parent or help your son with any issues he has?
So your friends are settling down. You sound pretty sorted yourself - successfully raising a child, earnt your degree - give yourself some credit! And you're so young - 24! I have only just married and had my first baby at 30 and I'm one of the first of my friends to do so. You have plenty of time to find someone who deserves you and to have more DC (if you want to) in the future. Right now, focus on yourself, do what you want to do and don't get yourself into a potentially very dangerous situation with someone who sounds, quite frankly, like a complete waste of space.

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DianaPrincessOfThemyscira · 11/12/2017 12:25

What makes you think that you’ll have to deal with potential mental health issues on your own if you don’t move in with this loser? You clearly have a family (or at least an aunt) willing to support. You’re 24. You could meet another man tomorrow. I hope you do.

Why are you even considering this? I don’t understand why you’ve been through all that with him, your son is already 7 and now you’re considering it?

Your sons father is totally in control of the relationship he has with your son. You can’t make it what you want it to be, so don’t even try. You’ll just make yourself unhappy and trapped.

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TheWorldIsMyCakePop · 11/12/2017 12:31

No no no no and no! Get some counselling to deal with your past, but don't ever let it go and give him another chance at it. When you have come to terms with his abuse and feel healed, you can find someone else who can support you, share your burden and even have more children if you would like to. Do not go back to this man or allow your son to be influenced by him. 3-4 times a year for token visits sounds more than enough.

Please don't get sucked in against your better judgement because he won't magically change into super dad or partner now.

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piginthemiddle · 11/12/2017 12:39

Thank you everyone for your encouraging words. I naively thought, since he’s only 24, he has room to change. But how long can I wait ? DS is 7, am I really going to wait till DS is 13 for his dad to change ?

I don’t want to waste my life. I want to be a kick ass Mum who doesn’t put up with shit, is confident and keeps on moving forward. But it’s so difficult.

DS dad will tell me things like “I’m (himself) so sexy...: I’m better looking than your sisters boyfriend”. Even writing that cringes me.

I don’t want to waste my life on this dude but honestly I do want to make it work. Though, I know I will be wasting my time. I’m not going to move in with him, I can’t do that to DS or myself... I might as well commit sucide (that’s how I would feel if I moved in with him). I’ll be walking on egg shells, having to reply on him to support me financially. Subjecting to sex many times a day. I can’t do it anymore.

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ThisLittleKitty · 11/12/2017 12:44

If he hadn't changed in 7 years then he isn't going to is he?

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pullingmyhairout1 · 11/12/2017 12:44

Fgs find someone who is worthy of the strong kick arse woman you are.

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Anatidae · 11/12/2017 12:48

Subjecting to sex many times a day.

The word is rape, if it helps you to gain strength not to go back to him. That’s rape.

Your friends are all settling down - and maybe one day you will too, but unless you’re happy single you can’t be sure you’re making good choices bloke-wise.

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MaybeDoctor · 11/12/2017 12:50

If you move in with this man you will be increasing your problems and making yourself very vulnerable to future social services intervention.

Your son is at school. If your son's father turns up to collect him stinking of weed, the teacher will make a note of this. If you (as his mother) show signs of living in an abusive environment, the teacher will report this to the designated safeguarding lead. If your son discloses anything about his home life...well, you get the picture.

Letting go of the past actually means letting this man go.

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Tighnabruaich · 11/12/2017 12:51

I rarely comment on these types of threads as I always feel other people have wiser words to share with the OP. HOWEVER, I just have to add to this thread. I can't see any redeeming quality that this man has. Just because your friends are at different stages of their lives is not a good enough reason for you to sacrifice your youth - and your son - just to shack up with this man. He will demoralise you, drain you of joy and hope, and you would be bringing up you son in a miserable, unhappy household with a miserable, unhappy mum. Don't do it.

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MorrisZapp · 11/12/2017 12:52

Are your friends aware that your bf is a weed addicted, abusive rapist who doesn't support his child? What do they reckon to him?

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Knittedfairies · 11/12/2017 12:54

The fact you have so many doubts should tell you what you need to do.

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Bekabeech · 11/12/2017 12:57

The reason you are not "moving on" like your friends is because you have this huge waste of space in your life.
What he says is not true. He will just drag you down.
Kick him out. Only put up with court ordered contact with your son.
No other contact
Then the Freedom Programme and some counselling.
Build the best life you can for yourself and your son. If your son has SN/a health condition then seek out support with that but not from this useless father!

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Hollower54 · 11/12/2017 12:57

Don’t do it. Run like the fucking wind.

I was stuck for 10 years with a severely abusive husband, and thought the same as you - he’d change, he’s still young, the children will suffer without their dad. Well let me tell you this, they have suffered... because that arsehole has destroyed me and my DC. I should have got out at the first red flag. I too wanted to just settle down as all my friends were, so I settled for him as I thought no one else would want me. Biggest mistake of my life.

Please, please do not get involved with this man. You’ll have a life time of misery ahead of you and you’ll be trapped. It’s not a nice feeling.

Contact Woman’s Aid and do the freedom programme.

Search my name and read my current thread in chat, if you don’t want to be me in 10 years time, don’t do it. Walk away. You deserve so much more.

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StormTreader · 11/12/2017 12:57

So your DS is now 7, and from what youve said, his dad hasnt grown up AT ALL from how he was then. Some people just NEVER DO grow up, some caterpillars just stay caterpillars their whole life.

Letting go of the past doesnt mean not learning from it.

To be brutally honest, it sounds to me like the reason hes now pushing for you to move in is that youve got a degree - hes seen the chance to have you out earning all the money AND cleaning his house that he still hasnt "sorted out" AND getting sex on tap as well, while he puts his feet up and smokes weed. He doesnt even sound like hes nice to you, you havent posted one single thing about him that you like or that hes done for you or your son. What is there to "make work"?

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