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Can I do this?

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BeautifulLiar · 22/11/2017 06:14

My parents (mother in particular) have ALWAYS been abusive, manipulative and violent to me (the violence when I was younger). I was still well and truly under their control until February 2012 when I had some counselling and realised I was a grown woman and could say no to them!

Well, I tried. I stopped answering their calls and soon got threatening voicemails etc. Then they got a fucking solicitor and demanded access to my children, who at the time were 3 and 1. I was pregnant with my third, and married to an abusive, violent man, so was absolutely terrified by these letters and due to bad advice from my solicitor gave in to these demands and allowed contact on the first weekend of every month.

I always, always said these visits were about control. My mum doesn't even particularly like children! Anyway there were often incidents, like her shouting at the DC, calling them a nuisance, leaving one in bed while she took the others out, hitting a 2yo because she wet herself.

My dad moved to the other side of the world for work - and is still there now - and I have seen her another child but my mum has always refused to have all four, and for the past few years has completely ignored the "first weekend of the month" agreement, and only had them if it suits her, eg "I will be picking them up three hours late because I am training for a marathon". To me this all proves they never actually wanted the children, but they would NOT let me make a decision for myself.

Things have really come to a head this year, due to some of the following reasons:

  1. I'm no longer married to my awful ex (who, coincidentally, my parents love) and am now with a lovely, kind, gentle man who would do anything for me and the DC. It's really started to make me see who is good for the DC and who isn't.

  2. she has gone well beyond just letting the DC down because she's busy. Eg last month she demanded having the girls for one day each, but the boy for two days and nights (she's always preferred the boy). My DS is 9 so I asked what HE wanted to do - did he want to spend two nights with Grandma, or one night and still see his dad on the Friday as he usually does? He chose to be able to see his dad, and my mum lost it, and refused to see any of the DC

  3. other incidents including her demanding last week that I went to her house and picked up a birthday present for DD2. I said why don't you stop it off while DP is here with me, or just post it, because we won't have time to get to yours today? She went ape shit and started texting me things like "how could you do this to DD2? It's unbelievable. What has she done to deserve you treating her like this?" I had to block her number in the end because the manipulation was making me really upset!

  4. other major incidents eg last summer I met her in a shopping centre and we had a disagreement. She said "here's the children's holiday money!" and threw money (notes, not coins) into my four month old babys face as she laid in her pram, then stormed off, leaving me to juggle four DC and numerous bags and suitcases while I tried not to break down.

There is a whole lot more - I could write for hours! But basically my DP and I have decided to move in together. Things are moving a lot faster than we'd expected and we could potentially have the keys by mid December. At the minute my mum's number is blocked (she was sending me more shit yesterday). The place we're moving to is an hour away from her. I really, really want to risk never unblocking her number again and just moving on with our lives. The DC are not bothered about seeing her! But I'm absolutely terrified of her still, and I'm so scared that she'll find out where I live and the solicitors letters will start again.

I am so, so much healthier without her in my life

Please, no one have a go at me!

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MrsSpenserGregson · 22/11/2017 12:47

Grandparents are great if they're nice people with the children's best interests at heart.... But your girls will definitely be better off with no grandparents than with the ones they currently have...

Great that you can self refer!! Please do so as soon as you've moved... Xx

BeautifulLiar · 22/11/2017 13:27

Oh they definitely don't have their best interests at heart! Everybody in my family is controlled by my mum and they have to have her best interests at heart - or there'll be hell to pay! I know I'm going to be punished somehow for this

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BeautifulLiar · 22/11/2017 13:39

Feeling sick and nervous again about the thought of changing number and moving house without telling her. She won't let me get away with this. So scared

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HeebieJeebies456 · 22/11/2017 16:37

i think it's worth getting a new phone number.........and unblocking her on the old one so she can send all her nasty texts - which you save as 'evidence' in case she decides to get the law involved again at some point.

category12 · 22/11/2017 16:41

You're an adult and she can't do a thing. She can kick up a stink and she can issue threats, (toothless legally).

She doesn't have the right to see you or the kids.
She doesn't have the right to know where you live.
She has no power over you, other than that instilled by habit and fear.

You're entitled to live life without her in it. The law can be used against her to prevent her harassing you. Start believing in freedom from her.

BeautifulLiar · 22/11/2017 16:55

category I really want to believe you're right. But she'll stop at nothing. And I truly believe that those with money will get whatever they want in court. They are "upstanding" members of the community - a doctor and a nurse - and I'm what? A mum of four children with two different dads who is getting divorced at 28?

Number is changed! I was shaking when I did it, but it's done now.

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HeebieJeebies456 · 22/11/2017 17:16

Try not to give those kind of thoughts any headspace unless if/when it actually happens.

If you find history repeating itself one day, you will be feeling a lot stronger in yourself and it will be easier to stand up to her.

Share your fears with your new gp so they understand what you're having to deal with, this could also prove to be useful if she decides to challenge you legally.

Keep a diary when you start counselling, it will be your 'timeline' of her abuse. So if asked for an explanation - you'll be able to fire off specific examples rather than be put on the spot and find yourself fumbling for words.

I'd also speak to your local Police dept/PCSO for advice on how to protect yours and dc identity/personal info, your home and also what to do if she starts her campaign of abuse and harassment at your new place.

You need to remain one step ahead of her in some ways and be prepared to use the law on her.
The minute she sends you anything to your new address/phone number, i would advise you email her telling her to stop harassing you - and log it with the police.
When she ignores it and contacts you again -get a solicitor to write to her and be prepared to serve her with harassment/restraining orders if she does it again.

category12 · 22/11/2017 17:22

If you have any nasty emails, texts or voicemail from her, save them in a folder. And any future ones. Write that timeline and dates of incidents. Maybe talk to a new solicitor now, so you're ahead of the game.

Ellisandra · 22/11/2017 17:49

You absolutely can cut your mother off, and you should. I'm sorry you have been treated so badly.

Can I gently suggest something else though? Both your parents are abusive. So was your first boyfriend. So is your ex husband.

And when you said you were moving in with your current boyfriend which had moved faster than expected, my heckles just shot up.

Things moving fast is a big red flag.
And a history of abusive relationships often mean eroded personal boundaries.

Can you slow down? Have you done the Freedom Programme?

I hope your new boyfriend is lovely, god knows you deserve a break! But it's not a good idea to move too quickly, especially when you have 4 kids involved. Slow down Flowers

BeautifulLiar · 22/11/2017 18:05

I don't really have any nasty messages any more... This is probably one of the worst I have on my current phone

Can I do this?
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BeautifulLiar · 22/11/2017 18:06

Ellis I only meant the house purchase has moved fast. Not the relationship. I'm not worried about that at all, and I worry about everything! He really is a keeper xx

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BeautifulLiar · 22/11/2017 18:08

Fantastic idea Heebie. She and my ex husband can rot. They both hate the fact that I want nothing to do with them!

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PeaPodPopper · 22/11/2017 20:06

PeaPod don't I need to be on the electoral roll though? Or did you mean something different

Yes, sorry, I meant the electoral roll. Any member of the public can look at it, but you can request your name to be taken off the public one, and just remain on the private one the council have for their records.

and re .....Feeling sick and nervous again about the thought of changing number and moving house without telling her. She won't let me get away with this. So scared ...... you know what, it's not up to her. It's YOUR life. YOU get to decide how to live it my lovely. From now on, every little thing she does, note it down, report to the police. Build evidence. They will get fed up of her behaviour before getting fed up of you reporting.

You and your DC's have the right to....
Be safe
Be happy
Be free.

It starts now.x. Flowers

BeautifulLiar · 22/11/2017 22:19

Thank you Pea. My life is ALWAYS better without her in it. I really hope this will continue!

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