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Thinking of leaving, but I'm nervous

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Lcar · 19/11/2017 02:47

My husband and I have been together for 22 years, married for 20. We have 4 children from 13-20, two are at university doing very well for themselves.
I'm not sure if I still love my husband. I certainly used to. I sometimes think about how I would feel if he were with someone else, and the over-riding emotion is sadness for what could have been. But the reality is that we are becoming increasingly distant, and I constantly have to fight the feelings of low self esteem and lack of confidence which he piles on me.
We've been trying really hard recently, sharing lifts to work and talking and laughing a lot more, but the veneer is very fragile - we've spent a lot of this evening arguing.
We have just moved house (renting) for the third time in 3 years, and I'm becoming more and more aware that each time we move, I'm trying somehow to please him, to make him happier and make my life a little easier. This house was (once again) his choice - it's a nice house, but it wouldn't have been my first choice as it is too far away from our children's school, and they can't spend time with friends. But I went along with it, as he was so adamant he loved it here.
He can be a charming man, but he is also incredibly childish and selfish (and I think becoming more so), and doesn't communicate very well. I think probably he's just inconsiderate and doesn't try. Every morning I make us a cup of tea each and butter 4 slices of toast for us. Yesterday he was down before me, and two of the slices of toast - mine - were cold and unbuttered. It's a small thing, but it's selfish and inconsiderate. I commented on it, and he told me that I'm pathetic. I actually just felt a bit sad.
For 22 years I have asked him to have the courtesy to let me know if he is going out, so that I at least know whether he is in the house or not, but he still goes out without telling me.
He expects the children to wait on him and obey his orders immediately like little soldiers, but when my 13 year old daughter asked him to pass her a spoon from the cutlery drawer which he was standing by the other day, he refused and told her to get it herself - and that is not an isolated incident.
I'm trying to make sure the children learn courtesy and consideration to others, and I've always brought them up to be co-operative and help each other out - but it's a bit of a one-sided battle.
I think what I'm saying is that our values don't match.
He does not like people (he has very few friends) and does not enjoy socialising - but I do. I used to make the effort to invite friends round and have parties, but I no longer bother - it's not worth it.
He also makes my life fairly miserable if I spend time out when he's at home, or meet my friends. He tells me I'm welcome to go and won't actually stop me, but he is so moody and unpleasant when I get home, it's not worth it.
The last time we met with some of my best old, long-standing friends from university, about 6 months ago, it ended with my husband taking exception to a point of view of my friend's husband during a perfectly normal discussion, and pushing him off a chair and slamming his head against the wall. This was in front of my friend's 6 year old son. I'm obviously not in a hurry to invite friends round again - though I would love to.
I'm not a stupid person - I have degrees in English and Law, and work in a fairly senior communications job. But he constantly brings me down, tells me I'm useless and stupid and that he can't trust me even to contact the letting agents to get something fixed 'in case I cock it up'. I feel that I'm constantly fighting not just my own issues and normal worries, but also the feeling of being useless and stupid. I do get confused, because he tells me it's all in my head, and when he gets angry with me (which is frequent) I constantly question what I could and should have said or done differently.
I am not particularly afraid that he would be violent, but he does have a rather scary aggressive streak, which comes out as shouting, slamming doors and emotional punishment. Alcohol is definitely a catalyst, and I have asked him to drink less (as have the children). However I did come home one day to my then 11year old son dragging me from the car saying dad was going to hit my then 16 year old daughter. He was standing over her holding both of her wrists in one hand when I ran in, and she was crying uncontrollably, but he didn't actually hit her. I threw him out at the time, but let him come back. Maybe I was wrong to have him back then.
I used to be a natural organiser, the mum who takes on the role of chair in the local NCT, and runs the toddler group. I managed my son's sports team, organising matches up and down the country, and I absolutely loved it and made friends everywhere we went. But we gave up as he said he hated the other parents, and he tells me I'm bossy and a control freak and that I have OCD, so I have consciously tried to reduce my tendency to organise.
If I'm honest with myself, I feel crushed. I have trouble making decisions as I am constantly second-guessing what he would want me to do, in case I get it wrong. I don't really know who I am any more. I feel that I no longer have my own identity - if I do stand up for myself, he tells me I am disrespecting him and gives me the silent treatment for hours or days.
When I tell him how I feel, he says 'so it's my fault again, I knew it'. And I end up apologising, and feeling guilty for being so unfair. Except that I don't think I am being unfair - I'm perfectly willing to take half the blame, but after all I'm only reacting to his behaviour, and I'm pretty certain it's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
But he's not all bad, he can be very funny and very good company, and has in the past been very supportive - I think probably I bring out the worst in him. I constantly ask myself, is that my fault, or just a symptom of us no longer being right together?

My children support me in leaving - they are old enough to see the problems.
I have a full time job, but we live literally hand to mouth. I have less than £50 to my name in my bank right now, and all my pay goes almost instantly on bills.
I did have independent savings, left to me when my mum died a few years ago, and I planned to buy a small house in my own name and rent it out as a separate income for us both to live on, but he was so angry when I mentioned that, that I never mentioned it again, and instead I paid the rent and bills from my inheritance and gradually it was squandered. I have to take the blame for not standing up for my rights there, and for going for the 'easy life' option, but there it is - it's gone and I have nothing of any worth.
I think that enough is enough, that it's time I recognise that I'm not perfect but I'm also not stupid or useless and that I don't deserve to be put down constantly, that I still have a life ahead of me, that my younger children and I will be ok on our own and that we can re-claim our social lives and happiness - and that he also isn't a bad person, but we just aren't making each other happy.
But of course I'm worried - am I doing the right thing, should I keep trying, will I be ok on my own - is he right and am I actually useless like he tells me I am?
I have a job. I have friends who are a bit exasperated with me for moaning but doing nothing about it, but I know they love me and I know they will support me.
I don't have family - my parents are both dead, and I have not spoken to my sister for nearly a year (as my husband does not like her - mmm, bit of a pattern going on here) - but I have been secretly emailing her now and then, and I think she would support me if she could.
I have two beloved and very sensible children who are doing their best at university and need my support.
And two younger children with their own needs.
In an ideal world, I would move out tomorrow into a privately rented house close to my children's school, where they can see their friends when they want, and I may still have some friends from the old sociable days if I work very hard to rebuild a network - and after all I'm quite good at that as it is my profession. I would move to a very small house (as it's a nice area but unfortunately a bit pricy), and I may well end up sleeping on the sofa, but I can live with that. I would try to get some housing benefit (but my earnings might put me just over the threshold). I would definitely sort out single person council tax. I would find out if I'm eligible for any other benefits.
I would change job to somewhere closer to home, so I can support my children more (at the moment it's a 50 minute motorway commute morning and night). I would keep communications very much open with my husband, and encourage the children to spend equal time with him. And when they are with him, I would start running again (I used to run 10k races, but gave up as it meant too much time out training and not cooking), and study for the postgrad degree I've been meaning to do for years, and apologise to my friends and hope they will still let me tag along.
I think I know what is the right thing to do, and putting some of it in writing makes it so obvious, but yes, I'm afraid.
Thanks for reading, I would appreciate advice, support and positive suggestions

OP posts:
Cambionome · 06/07/2018 08:10

Well done op!!! Keep going, everything will get easier. Flowers

NotSureThisIsWhatIWant · 06/07/2018 08:28

Oops sorry, missed the update! Wonderful to see you are already out and rebuilding your life Smile

Lcar · 15/11/2018 22:21

It’s nearly a year since my first post on this thread (19th November 2017).
The children and I have been in our little rented house since June, and we’re doing fine. I found a home for out younger dog with a friend locally, and our old dog and the cats are enjoying their new peaceful life.
My older children are doing well at uni. We have dinner at my daughter’s student house most Sundays, chat to her lovely house mates and play Buzz.
The younger children and I have our routine, we share the dish washing and chores, and the house is calm and quiet and content.
We managed to get away camping for a few days in summer - peaceful and really lovely.
I’m still working in the same job, but looking for a promotion.
I had a bit of a rough patch in summer when I had to take time off work, as I struggled to leave the house/ speak to people/ drive, but I have a lovely counsellor now who I chat things through with every couple of weeks and I feel much better.
I’m still on meds for depression, but I feel so much more positive, and though it’s a slow process, I’m starting to believe in myself again.
I occasionally go to yoga, and I’ve even run a few times - but I still need to build a proper routine there.
I’ve started to update my wardrobe (hadn’t bought anything new in years).
I haven’t spoken to my ex since the end of June :) He pays a bit of maintenance, and sees one of our sons once a week - the others don’t seem to want to, but they make their own arrangements.
Neither of has started the divorce process - yet. Just saving some pennies...
Life is so much better, just as you said :)
I don’t miss him at all, but I guess I miss the feeling of having someone looking out for you - though I don’t actually think my ex did that anyway!
It’s my 50th birthday in a couple of weeks, and some of my old friends from university are coming for a dinner/ dance at my local pub - I haven’t seen some of them for 10 years or more and I can’t wait!
And I’m even going to my first works Christmas do in years!
Thank you for your help my lovely mumsnet friends - I couldn’t have done it without you :) xxx

OP posts:
AsleepAllDay · 15/11/2018 22:24

So happy to read your update @Lcar xxxx you're so much better off, well done on your bravery and your resilience to choose a better life

AsleepAllDay · 15/11/2018 22:39

And don't be too hard on yourself on the things you need to or should be doing - you've done a massive lot and all your changes look so positive! It'll take more than a year to reconfigure your life after 22 of being worn down

Mary1935 · 15/11/2018 22:47

Wow LCar I’m really pleased to hear your update. You sound like a lovely thoughtful woman and I wish you happiness and continued freedom for the future. Good luck.🌺

MiniMum97 · 15/11/2018 23:50

What a lovely ending (or new beginning!!) to your thread. Well done to get away and build a lovely new life for yourself and your children! What a strong and inspiring woman you are.

Holdingonbarely · 15/11/2018 23:57

God this is one of the best updates ever.
Congratulations
And you’ll have the best 50th.
Well fucking done you WineFlowersGinFlowers
You’re a shining example of someone who’s changed their life for the better, ups and downs aside. You’ll be good x

BitOutOfPractice · 16/11/2018 00:01

I very very much enjoyed your update op. Brilliant brilliant updates. Good for you.

twominfromthebeach · 16/11/2018 00:20

Wow what an amazing story, so good to hear how brilliantly you've completely turned things around for you and the DCs. It's still relatively early days and there will be tough times ahead, but you have the strength and wits to continue moving forward and build the happy life you and DCs richly deserve. Keep it up :)

ferando81 · 16/11/2018 00:21

You did the right thing but just wandering how your husband is?Is he happier?
I'm kinda of curious if his atrocious behaviour was just his personality or because he was unhappy with his married life.

Mrskeats · 16/11/2018 00:38

So pleased to read your update op, hats off to you Smile

plaidlife · 16/11/2018 00:50

That was a lovely update to pop up. I am so pleased for you and your dc.

Lozzerbmc · 16/11/2018 02:42

This is an amazing thread- well done to you. You must feel so liberated. You have completely done the right thing and although scary you will get stronger each day. Wishing you lots of luck and happiness in the future. May your 50th year be the best!

shaftedbythesystem · 16/11/2018 04:06

What an awesome update! ❤️❤️❤️👍👍👍

pog100 · 16/11/2018 06:55

Awww, such a lovely update. You write so perceptively about yourself and your situation. I think you are in for a great few decades and your children are going to thank you for this, for many different reasons

RyderWhiteSwan · 16/11/2018 07:48

What a happy outcome! I'm sure this thread will inspire others who are in awful marriages but are (understandably) scared of leaving and starting over. It can be done, people! happiness and freedom awaits!

bluejelly · 16/11/2018 07:55

Amazing update. I'm so glad you got out. You absolutely did the right thing for you and the kids. I'm sure not every day is easy but the good days will absolutely outweigh the bad in the long run. Hugs to you.

MachoManRandySavage · 16/11/2018 07:57

Well done OP, you should feel very proud of what you've done.

Lcar · 16/11/2018 08:13

Ah bless you all, thank you, those comments are so lovely and empowering :) Thank you for believing in me and giving me strength. @ferando81, I genuinely loved my husband very much, and I have to consciously not feel too much sympathy for him. I don’t think he is happy at all now - my son says he is also on meds for depression. When I express sympathy for him though, my son reminds me that his dad ‘does not speak well of me’. I’ve remembered and realised little things from the last 23 years, which confirm to me that I’ve been bending over backwards to try to make him happy for a very long time, but that 1. I don’t think anyone can ever make him happy as he is a deeply negative person and 2. That he seems to have been manipulating me and being quite cruel in small ways for our whole life together. I know that I forgave him over and over for fairly small, hurtful things, and I explained many times that certain things were triggers of trauma from my childhood (alcoholic dad and bullying brother and all that), and I couldn’t really understand why he kept doing those things. An awful lot of his behaviour matched the classic signs of a narcissist - but he has made no effort to try to get me back, and as far as I know he’s still single. In fact I think he genuinely hates me - which is sad :( I’ve been trying to get my head around it all, as there were some good times too, but I have to put myself first now. I came to a bit of a realisation that we were supposed to be together for a while, as we have 4 genuinely wonderful children, but we just weren’t supposed to be together for life. I know that I made his life better in some ways, and helped him to see more of life’s goodness - he had a fairly rough upbringing and was a factory worker (with £2.83 in his bank account) when we met, but he is now a Podiatrist. I applied for (and secured) Canadian permanent residency for us all, and we lived there for 2 years, which was a great experience though I wasn’t very happy. I think we should have split up sooner, when we were both still fairly happy, as the bitterness he feels makes me sad. I think I did all I could to make our marriage work, and I tried very hard to make him happy - but ultimately it was at the expense of my own happiness. Anyway, I’m going to make some plans to move towards the things I haven’t done with my life but would still like to do, and I’m sure I can move back up the career ladder to where I probably would have been if he hadn’t taken my confidence away. And I wish him well. I’m looking forward to being able to face him (maybe at our children’s weddings) without being triggered or feeling fear - but that will be some way down the road. At the moment I’m sticking with my friends who give me confidence and remind me of the strong woman I was and will be again. And I’m rediscovering the fun-loving, positive, caring and nurturing person that underneath it all I still am. Big hugs xxx

OP posts:
anonkneemouse · 16/11/2018 08:19

I havent read all of your post, I'll have to come back to it but once I got to where he assaulted someone that was enough for me. Get out now.

SauvingnonBlanketyBlanc · 16/11/2018 09:03

I read your original post thinking it was from this month,when I realised you were updating after a year I felt so happy for you op.I left my ex h for a lot less than what you went through,I'm so glad you've come out the other side.

originaldiv · 16/11/2018 10:32

Well done OP. I genuinely believe that without the support of the posters on here, I wouldn't have found the strength to leave my abusive exh after 20 years together (nearly 2 years ago). I got my dc away from him and my only regret is that I stayed for so long.
My dc are now so happy, I have a wonderful new relationship with an amazing calm and supportive man who loves me so much and I am so grateful every day that I took the step that seemed the scariest thing in the whole world. It wasn't. I am really really pleased for you and your children. You are an inspiration and a fantastic role model for them.

itsnowthewaitinggame · 16/11/2018 13:27

You are really quite inspirational OP.

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