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Thinking of leaving, but I'm nervous

74 replies

Lcar · 19/11/2017 02:47

My husband and I have been together for 22 years, married for 20. We have 4 children from 13-20, two are at university doing very well for themselves.
I'm not sure if I still love my husband. I certainly used to. I sometimes think about how I would feel if he were with someone else, and the over-riding emotion is sadness for what could have been. But the reality is that we are becoming increasingly distant, and I constantly have to fight the feelings of low self esteem and lack of confidence which he piles on me.
We've been trying really hard recently, sharing lifts to work and talking and laughing a lot more, but the veneer is very fragile - we've spent a lot of this evening arguing.
We have just moved house (renting) for the third time in 3 years, and I'm becoming more and more aware that each time we move, I'm trying somehow to please him, to make him happier and make my life a little easier. This house was (once again) his choice - it's a nice house, but it wouldn't have been my first choice as it is too far away from our children's school, and they can't spend time with friends. But I went along with it, as he was so adamant he loved it here.
He can be a charming man, but he is also incredibly childish and selfish (and I think becoming more so), and doesn't communicate very well. I think probably he's just inconsiderate and doesn't try. Every morning I make us a cup of tea each and butter 4 slices of toast for us. Yesterday he was down before me, and two of the slices of toast - mine - were cold and unbuttered. It's a small thing, but it's selfish and inconsiderate. I commented on it, and he told me that I'm pathetic. I actually just felt a bit sad.
For 22 years I have asked him to have the courtesy to let me know if he is going out, so that I at least know whether he is in the house or not, but he still goes out without telling me.
He expects the children to wait on him and obey his orders immediately like little soldiers, but when my 13 year old daughter asked him to pass her a spoon from the cutlery drawer which he was standing by the other day, he refused and told her to get it herself - and that is not an isolated incident.
I'm trying to make sure the children learn courtesy and consideration to others, and I've always brought them up to be co-operative and help each other out - but it's a bit of a one-sided battle.
I think what I'm saying is that our values don't match.
He does not like people (he has very few friends) and does not enjoy socialising - but I do. I used to make the effort to invite friends round and have parties, but I no longer bother - it's not worth it.
He also makes my life fairly miserable if I spend time out when he's at home, or meet my friends. He tells me I'm welcome to go and won't actually stop me, but he is so moody and unpleasant when I get home, it's not worth it.
The last time we met with some of my best old, long-standing friends from university, about 6 months ago, it ended with my husband taking exception to a point of view of my friend's husband during a perfectly normal discussion, and pushing him off a chair and slamming his head against the wall. This was in front of my friend's 6 year old son. I'm obviously not in a hurry to invite friends round again - though I would love to.
I'm not a stupid person - I have degrees in English and Law, and work in a fairly senior communications job. But he constantly brings me down, tells me I'm useless and stupid and that he can't trust me even to contact the letting agents to get something fixed 'in case I cock it up'. I feel that I'm constantly fighting not just my own issues and normal worries, but also the feeling of being useless and stupid. I do get confused, because he tells me it's all in my head, and when he gets angry with me (which is frequent) I constantly question what I could and should have said or done differently.
I am not particularly afraid that he would be violent, but he does have a rather scary aggressive streak, which comes out as shouting, slamming doors and emotional punishment. Alcohol is definitely a catalyst, and I have asked him to drink less (as have the children). However I did come home one day to my then 11year old son dragging me from the car saying dad was going to hit my then 16 year old daughter. He was standing over her holding both of her wrists in one hand when I ran in, and she was crying uncontrollably, but he didn't actually hit her. I threw him out at the time, but let him come back. Maybe I was wrong to have him back then.
I used to be a natural organiser, the mum who takes on the role of chair in the local NCT, and runs the toddler group. I managed my son's sports team, organising matches up and down the country, and I absolutely loved it and made friends everywhere we went. But we gave up as he said he hated the other parents, and he tells me I'm bossy and a control freak and that I have OCD, so I have consciously tried to reduce my tendency to organise.
If I'm honest with myself, I feel crushed. I have trouble making decisions as I am constantly second-guessing what he would want me to do, in case I get it wrong. I don't really know who I am any more. I feel that I no longer have my own identity - if I do stand up for myself, he tells me I am disrespecting him and gives me the silent treatment for hours or days.
When I tell him how I feel, he says 'so it's my fault again, I knew it'. And I end up apologising, and feeling guilty for being so unfair. Except that I don't think I am being unfair - I'm perfectly willing to take half the blame, but after all I'm only reacting to his behaviour, and I'm pretty certain it's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
But he's not all bad, he can be very funny and very good company, and has in the past been very supportive - I think probably I bring out the worst in him. I constantly ask myself, is that my fault, or just a symptom of us no longer being right together?

My children support me in leaving - they are old enough to see the problems.
I have a full time job, but we live literally hand to mouth. I have less than £50 to my name in my bank right now, and all my pay goes almost instantly on bills.
I did have independent savings, left to me when my mum died a few years ago, and I planned to buy a small house in my own name and rent it out as a separate income for us both to live on, but he was so angry when I mentioned that, that I never mentioned it again, and instead I paid the rent and bills from my inheritance and gradually it was squandered. I have to take the blame for not standing up for my rights there, and for going for the 'easy life' option, but there it is - it's gone and I have nothing of any worth.
I think that enough is enough, that it's time I recognise that I'm not perfect but I'm also not stupid or useless and that I don't deserve to be put down constantly, that I still have a life ahead of me, that my younger children and I will be ok on our own and that we can re-claim our social lives and happiness - and that he also isn't a bad person, but we just aren't making each other happy.
But of course I'm worried - am I doing the right thing, should I keep trying, will I be ok on my own - is he right and am I actually useless like he tells me I am?
I have a job. I have friends who are a bit exasperated with me for moaning but doing nothing about it, but I know they love me and I know they will support me.
I don't have family - my parents are both dead, and I have not spoken to my sister for nearly a year (as my husband does not like her - mmm, bit of a pattern going on here) - but I have been secretly emailing her now and then, and I think she would support me if she could.
I have two beloved and very sensible children who are doing their best at university and need my support.
And two younger children with their own needs.
In an ideal world, I would move out tomorrow into a privately rented house close to my children's school, where they can see their friends when they want, and I may still have some friends from the old sociable days if I work very hard to rebuild a network - and after all I'm quite good at that as it is my profession. I would move to a very small house (as it's a nice area but unfortunately a bit pricy), and I may well end up sleeping on the sofa, but I can live with that. I would try to get some housing benefit (but my earnings might put me just over the threshold). I would definitely sort out single person council tax. I would find out if I'm eligible for any other benefits.
I would change job to somewhere closer to home, so I can support my children more (at the moment it's a 50 minute motorway commute morning and night). I would keep communications very much open with my husband, and encourage the children to spend equal time with him. And when they are with him, I would start running again (I used to run 10k races, but gave up as it meant too much time out training and not cooking), and study for the postgrad degree I've been meaning to do for years, and apologise to my friends and hope they will still let me tag along.
I think I know what is the right thing to do, and putting some of it in writing makes it so obvious, but yes, I'm afraid.
Thanks for reading, I would appreciate advice, support and positive suggestions

OP posts:
deste · 07/02/2018 14:57

You are being brave but please don’t go and leave the children. My niece still hasn’t got over her mum leaving them when they were younger. In fact she won’t have anything to do with her mum anymore. Can you just hang in there a few more weeks till you can get a new home for all of you.

Mellifera · 10/02/2018 03:00

Please don‘t leave your children behind.

You had a plan, and him being ill doesn‘t change his personality. It gives him more manipulative power, but you don‘t have to put up with being ground down because he is ill.

Get a flat/house and move out with the children.
I have a feeling if you don‘t go now you never will.
You‘re strong and capable, just put your previous plan into action.
Life‘s too short.
All the best.

ChickenMom · 10/02/2018 08:55

His illness doesn’t change what he’s done. He pinned your 16 year old daughter by her wrists. That alone should have made you leave.
Get your ducks in a row.
Ask him to move out. It will be much easier if he moves into a one bed flat rather than uprooting the kids. Get some advice from women’s aid and book a private counsellor for therapy to help you through this. Start calling old friends and calling in all favours and help to help you through this. Does any of your old network have a flat or holiday apartment you can use for 6 months until you are back on your feet? Start asking around. Be proactive. Don’t get wrapped up in his medical drama as you know this is it right? He’s now doing this “drama” until he dies. If you don’t leave you’ve got another 20/30 years of this. Now he’s “ill” no days out. No dates. No friends. No social life. Your life is effectively over unless you get out.

HellsBellsnBucketsofBlood · 10/02/2018 09:04

Take the children. Don’t ever leave them behind.

Take some money, put down a deposit on a place nearer their school. Shift half the savings into a separate account in your name only and just go. If relevant, furniture etc can often be obtained free off free cycle, esp if you say you’re leaving an abusive relationship and need anything anyone can spare.

He’s an arse and you will have a much better life when free of him.

pog100 · 10/02/2018 09:06

you write with such clarity and perception but you have been conditioned to please him. Don't leave the children, except maybe one or two nights to clear your head, view houses and plan, then do it. Separate, go, start again with the kids. Please.

Olikingcharles · 10/02/2018 10:24

Please don't leave without your children I did and sadly our relationship has suffered somewhat in the earlier years after I left. I moved back into the family home after 5 weeks as my now ex couldn't cope with the children. He moved out a week after I moved back in. 15 years on things are good with the children now both are adults. If I could go back in time I would never have left without the children though. My now except rubbished me to the children while I was gone particularly to our daughter. Water under the bridge now although my children are closer to me than their father even though he lives closer to them both than I do he makes little effort to see them or communicate much with either of of them.

Fishface77 · 10/02/2018 10:31

Several things

  1. Check your rental contract
  2. Do not leave your children
  3. Find a place
  4. Put a deposit in it (beg or borrow if you have to)
  5. Take what your entitled to. Don’t try and be “the better person”. This man has gas lit (?) you into squandering your inheritance. He’s made your and your dc life hell. You owe him nothing.
  6. Get RL support. Get in touch with your sister. See your friends.

Obviously not necessarily in this order and I have missed steps out but you need to get out op. He’s awful.

Bekabeech · 10/02/2018 10:43

Please don't leave the children - their father is abusive!
Have you had legal advice? You might be able to get him out.
You are entitled to money from the marriage.

In short: get legal advice and contact Women's Aid.

midnightmisssuki · 10/02/2018 13:41

why would you even even consider leaving your children behind?!! Are you willing to hope he doesn't suddenly decide to punish you by taking your children to another part of england and not tell you where? I know someone who's husband did this to her btw - to 'punish' her as he later said. He has been harmful to your daughter already with the holding her by the wrists.. Go to someone who will accept your children - if not womens aid. Please just leave - there are no awards on who can stay the longest in such an abusive relationship... good luck op - i hope you manage to get out as soon as possible..

Softkitty2 · 10/02/2018 15:54

Do not leave your children! He may say you have abandoned them!

His heart problem does not change anything.

Leave and take your children with you.

Roseandmabelshouse · 10/02/2018 16:29

Never leave your children. Please, you will damage them leaving them with an abusive father. They need you to be their stability now

Lcar · 10/02/2018 23:40

Thank you for your kindness and support. I haven't left the children, we're still here.
I'll have to wait a while, and plan, and save some more.
My son's got gcse's coming up, and he's already the difficult one of my children, so you're quite right that he needs stability right now.
I'm organising some counselling through my work, as increasingly the way my day goes at work is affected by what happens first thing in the morning and how grumpy my oh is. If the dog annoys him or one of the kids is late then we're in for a very sharp tongue...
We don't have any savings, there's nothing for me to take half of.
I'll keep planning, keep putting pennies aside when I can, keep plugging on.
It's our wedding anniversary next week, and I've suggested we go for a meal. Don't know why really, but we may as well keep things as good as possible. I struggle to find things to talk about, but wish us luck.
I'm going to keep things going for a couple more months, and maybe I'll have some news after that.
Thank you for giving me hope and re-assuring me that I'm not going nuts.
Oh, and I've got in touch with my sister, though we haven't met or spoken yet.
Thanks again x

OP posts:
notapizzaeater · 10/02/2018 23:46

GCSE are still a couple of months away, do you really want to be living in that atmosphere for that long ?

Lcar · 18/06/2018 09:16

It’s seven months on, and the children and I moved out last week.
I’ve rented a little cottage in walking distance of their school.
We’ve been ‘separated’ but living in the same house since the beginning of May, when things became unbearable and he let slip that when he got married he expected to have a passive maid-servant - the ‘washing, ironing, f...ing etc’ model.
I’ve been on medication for depression and anxiety since the beginning of May.
I’m doing ok.
I’ve been keeping myself going on adrenaline and planning and being busy.
My older children are home from university for summer now - it’s lovely to have them home.
GCSEs are over.
It feels like a positive and happy home and I think I can make it work, though financially it’s going to be very tough.
I’m still feeling miserable though. Why do I still love him and miss him? :(

OP posts:
Allfednonedead · 18/06/2018 09:39

Because he was a huge part of your life for 22 years.
When my ex dumped me after 12 years, I gave myself a month for each year of the relationship to get over him. In fact, it took much less time, but I think recognising what a big thing it was to get over actually helped with that.
So I wasn’t thinking ‘why do I still miss him?’ I was thinking ‘ok, it’s been a month and I haven’t cried yet today’.
Well done on getting out, by the way. I hates him for you, properly, because he sounds so awful. Think how much happier your children will be without that horrible tinpot dictator making them and their mother miserable!

bigtimer · 18/06/2018 09:53

Well done
You will be fine
You sound so strong
He's a boorish pig

SugarMiceInTheRain · 18/06/2018 10:05

Well done. Despite him being abusive, and you knowing you made the right decision, he's been in your life for so long that it's no wonder you feel conflicted. I wouldn't be surprised if your mood gradually starts to lift now that you're free from him. Best wishes for a bright future in your happy new home.

kocerhan3 · 18/06/2018 10:14

I've cried reading this thread. OP you sound an incredible woman, you're smart, grounded and stronger than you realise. You've done everything right and I love the support you've had these past few months. Your children will respect you more for getting your life back as they knew he was detrimental for you, and I'm sure you're already a fantastic role model to them regardless. I can't wait for an update on how your running training goes!! Raising a glass of wine to you tonight. Well done. WineWine

Lcar · 06/07/2018 07:23

Thank you so much my Mumsnet friends for your lovely words of support and kindness - honestly, it means the world to me. I’ve screen-shotted your replies to give me strength when I feel low.
I still miss him, dreamed about him last night, but the kids and I are doing ok.
They love living within walking distance of everything they need.
It was my youngest daughter’s birthday yesterday, and my other daughter has her 21st next week.
It’s difficult to think of him at this time, but probably just as well to get through birthdays early on - it won’t be so hard next year.
I have ok days and bad days at the moment, and a few complications to deal with like finding a new home for our dog that he was supposed to have and now can’t (or won’t).
Money’s a bit of a worry, and I’m going to have to find a higher paid job (though birthdays haven’t helped).
I can’t quite see the light at the end of the tunnel yet, but I’m sure it’s there if I keep my eyes open and go out looking.
The kids and I are going to a pub quiz on Monday ( and if we enjoy it, every month) at our local - something we’ve never done before :)
And I’ve started running, though I’m hideously unfit!
That marathon will take a while to achieve lol :)
Thank you all x

OP posts:
pog100 · 06/07/2018 07:37

Well done, it takes a lot of courage but your mood comes through loud and clear, it's the right thing and you now have a real life to look forward to. Good luck!

Buckingfrolicks · 06/07/2018 07:41

Oh well done OP Thanks

It's so so hard to act, when emotionally and physically exhausted, so you have done a huge, brave and life-saving thing. Yes there will be sad days and nights but you are working out and through the past, rather than that past being your "now". You've stopped going around in circles.

You will have done your DC the most amazing benefit too.

I wish you all the best.

Babdoc · 06/07/2018 07:51

Huge hugs, OP. You’ve done brilliantly. That pub quiz is the start of you having a normal social life. One where you’re allowed to go out whenever you want, without him sulking and trying to stop you. One where you can see friends and family without him trying to isolate you and trap you in the home as a dependent servant. I think that by this time next year you’ll probably be off antidepressants and be busy being the happy, outgoing, sociable woman with loads of friends, that you always were before that abusive control freak took over.
Claim your life back, OP, along with your self esteem, confidence and happiness.
God bless.

NotSureThisIsWhatIWant · 06/07/2018 07:58

That is no life. I’m surprised you are saying he is not violent when he is attacking your friends, that he is not so bad when he is ruining all your networks of support, separating you from your friends, taking dogs that affect your self stern and calling you pathetic. The only reason you have not left yet is because as the average domestic abuse victim, he has convinced you you are not good enough to survive on your own. IMO and experience, you already have what you most need to survive on your own: the ability of surrounding yourself with good people who can help you through this.

The people who think is more difficult on your own, don’t know what they are talking about. They may see you struggling raising your kids, but do not realise that without a selfish arse who treats you as a slave, you will have more time to devote to your children, that without the put downs you will be happier and so will be your children. You are the only person who can see how bad things really are. Those who tell you to stay are seeing your husband from the outside, possibly the charming man, not the horrible abusive bastard that he is when you are on your own.

Leave, but do it soon, the longer you stay the more difficult it will be. At some point you will normalise his behaviours (you are already half way there) and you will believe him you are not worthy to reconstruct your life.

I’m not going to say it will be easy, I have worries now that I didn’t have when I was married, mostly of the financial type but compared to that feeling of living one day a time of dying slowly inside, my life is much better and happier. The years after the split have been the most difficult of my life, but I have been incredibly happy, life is great in so many aspects nowadays.

Any divorced woman can tell you one thing, it was far, far more difficult to take the decision to leave than dealing with the consequences of it. So start planning, saving, preparing and leave as soon as you are ready.

NotSureThisIsWhatIWant · 06/07/2018 07:58

Not dogs, digs.

confusedscared2018 · 06/07/2018 08:08

He sounds very abusive. You're on egg shells and changing your behaviour for fear of what he might say or how he will react and you shouldn't have to do that. I know it's hard to get out of his situation but it is possible and you will feel like a weight is lifted after. I hope you find the strength to leave x