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can marriage survive with no sex?

64 replies

trytobebestdad · 16/11/2017 05:15

would love to hear other peoples point of view (particularly female)
essentially my wife and i married for 13 years two children aged 5 and 7 and are in our late 30's
since 5 year old sex has been on the slower side but occurring every week-10 days.
now over the past few months my wife and i nave been having problems (her flirting with another guy bt text message leading to trust issues from my point of view) and I hope we have worked this all through but it has left a glaring problem with our marriage.
she no longer wants to have sex with me and hasn't for some time.
She no longer finds me attractive any more or interesting any more (she wants me to spend more time out of the house doing things without her and to flirt more with other girls) she already goes out 2-3 nights a week doing netball and going to the pub and I go out one night a week doing martial arts. we both have busy job. my argument is i cant really spend any more time out of the house or our children won't see much of us

on talking she's ays she no longer wants to have sex, ever. she has always considered it a chore, something she has had to do to keep me happy and if she's honest she really doesn't enjoy the effort and would rather play with her ann summers collection.
What hurts is that our sex is all focussed around her pleasure, and wants and needs and this is something i regually ask her. She says she appreciates my effort but just cant be bothered with it all
Ive tried all ways to find out how i can make things better for her that way, (in all honesty without having an ego im pretty good at sex too)

anyway it culminated yesterday with her saying she would rather me have sex with other women outside of the marriage as that way it will stop me asking her if she fancies it any more and that way she hasn't got to worry about my needs any more and can just have togetherness in the marriage.

we discussed was it just she didnt want to have sex with anyone or just me. she said that if it was a new relationship she probably would start having sex again as its part of the "chase" to get a man but then after that unlikely she would still want to do it

She doesn't seem to understand that i dont want to sleep with other women, almost seems quite cross i didnt and doesn't seem to understand my feelings that without sex i feel our marriage is missing something really important.

im not quite sure how to proceed here as she feels its me who has the problem and she has offered the solution, i cant see anything else more i can do to improve the situation and we have talked this over so many times now we are not going any where

essentially she says over the past few years she's been faking enthusiasm for my benefit but her mind hasn't really been in it at all

i feel quite devistated and not sure how to continue

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trytobebestdad · 16/11/2017 09:30

The thing is whenever we discuss it she makes me feel like I’m the odd one out here, she says I’m
Not able to see things from other people’s point of view she wants me to have therapy for this too
, that’s partly why I posted on here to help that

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trytobebestdad · 16/11/2017 09:32

Other thing should mention it’s not a new thing as such it is something that’s been coming and going since 5 year old born but she just said this is the first time she had felt she could be honest with me, “this is why I’m not honest with you it makes you sad” she said this morning

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hellsbellsmelons · 16/11/2017 09:36

She wants YOU to have therapy for wanting to have the life you bought into when you married your DW and took vows to remain faithful etc...?
Wow - she a manipulative bitch.
Sorry but she is!
It's like a woman accusing a man of an affair and suddenly she's paranoid and crazy.
All cheaters do it!
You may still be mad about her but she's lost all love and respect for you.
Get to a solicitor and see what your options are.
This is never going to work the way you want it to.
Stop flogging this dead horse.

mummyretired · 16/11/2017 09:51

It won't work and I'd recommend you separate. Not a criticism but a suggestion - Sex that is exclusively focussed on one partner's enjoyment can ime feel very manipulative, it needs to allow the other partner to show and satisfy their desires to trigger the 'chase' element that keeps it all going.

user1490881911 · 16/11/2017 09:53

Her suggesting you go have some sex elsewhere is simply to give her carte blanche permission to go do what she is wanting to do. Keep cake or eat cake, she should have made this decision but she is too selfish and immature to do so.

Don't let her ruin you and leave you dangling with the hope this can be fixed, this manipulation will only lead to long term misery for you and the kids.

Let her go,, in fact pack her bags, let her go roll in the green grass that she thinks is over the fence. I am pretty sure she will find that once she gets there its more patchy and threadbare than she imagined but thats her realisation to learn.
But for gods sake dont take any more crap and long term dont let her back into your heart.

SandyY2K · 16/11/2017 09:57

she wants me to have therapy for this too

Do you realise thud is actually abusive? She's trying to make you think You have a problem.

She basically doesn't fancy you. She wants other men without you being a part of it...or she'd have jumped st the swingers idea.

She's checked out and doesn't care of you sleep with a million other women, because she has no intention of being with you sexually again... NOT EVER She's completely emotionally detached from you.

She probably shows a bit of affection so you don't leave ... you've not outlived your usefulness to her.

If she finds a man who will take her and the kids on and can keep her in her current lifestyle or better ... you'll be history.

Itsonkyme · 16/11/2017 09:57

Sorry trytobe but I really think that you are wasting your time with this woman. She just doesn't fancy you any more.
She likes her security and house and the money you bring in but I can guarantee that if she could have all the above without you in the equation, she would be happy about it.
You need to divorce and find someone else. Im sure it wont take long. Best of luck! Yoh deserve more than this!

SandyY2K · 16/11/2017 10:01

She's taking you for a fool and I doubt she'll genuinely respect you if you stay. Not deep down anyway.

As you'll be better financially .. I'd work out a coparenting arrangement and be done before love turns to hate.

Cleavergreene · 16/11/2017 10:02

Do what you like. Say what you like. Get counselling if you wish, but it’s over.

Pull the trigger now, mate. Save yourself the time, effort and grief.

Figgygal · 16/11/2017 10:06

Your marriage is over
She sounds horrid
You and your children would be better off out of such an odd environment
Sorry

mummyretired · 16/11/2017 10:10

If she wants to have couple therapy with you why not try that? What do you have to lose?

JustWonderingZ · 16/11/2017 10:22

OP, I remember your previous thread about ‘flirty’ texts between your DW and her netball coach. The pp told you then she is either having an affair or wants to have one. But you seem determined to ignore the truth staring you in the face.

I know you feel devastated, I am sorry... You are in denial, as you still have feelings for her. I am afraid this is not how a loving wife behaves, it is a behaviour of someone who wants out and who has checked out mentally and physically.

SandyY2K · 16/11/2017 10:30

If she wants to have couple therapy with you why not try that?

What's the point after what she's said?

What do you have to lose?

His dignity and self respect. Being taken for a fool.

trytobebestdad · 16/11/2017 10:50

We went to relate couples therapy
Didn’t really help
The problem I think has been there for some time, she’s just been lying to protect my feelings and “lie back and think of England” I presume for my benefit

Just wondering yeah previous post we had resolved those issues, took about the month and a holiday and thought had all settled, in fact we have moved on quite well communicating better and more affectionate in other ways, she now hugs me every night in bed and will come and kiss me but this just remains a big sticking point

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ferando81 · 16/11/2017 10:58

She doesn't want you .Grow a pair

SandyY2K · 16/11/2017 10:58

It's hard to accept and believe.... but she isn't sexually attracted to you.

You can carry living like this or put a plan in place to move on.... sad though it may be.

trytobebestdad · 16/11/2017 11:02

Spoke to her this morning, she said she doesn’t really want me to sleep with other women she was half asleep and now she’s thought about it she wouldn’t want that, hoping we can work the rest through

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RockyBayEve · 16/11/2017 11:14

Sure marriage can survive without sex but that really is not the issue here.

Sorry to say it sounds like you're married to an abusive narcissist.
The way she is treating you is horrible and it seems she doesn't care about anyone but herself. FFS she has 2 young kids and a husband.
Look OP you need to take advice and quickly. Try the charity Families need Fathers. It looks like your marriage is over but you need to take steps to preserve your relationship with your children.
So sorry that you're been treated like this.

Wherearemymarbles · 16/11/2017 11:24

She is manipulating you.
She has a sex drive hence toys and i bet she is fantasising about other men whilst using them

So either accept you have a sexless marriage with someone who doesnt fancy you and never will or leave.

To are making far to many excuses for her.

trytobebestdad · 16/11/2017 11:30

he is manipulating you.
She has a sex drive hence toys and i bet she is fantasising about other men whilst using them

she told me she does have fantasies about other men while doing this when we had a chat once,
but again she said it was odd i didnt have fantasies about other people other than her

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trytobebestdad · 16/11/2017 11:32

ry the charity Families need Fathers. I
thanks for that link never seen that before and ill pass that on to some of my clients
i dont think if w were to break up, which i hope we wouldn't there would be a problem over child access at all, in fact i suspect i would end up with the children more with me

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trytobebestdad · 16/11/2017 11:41

Forgot to add everything further complicated because we going through massive renovations on the house which I think is causing more tension

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hellsbellsmelons · 16/11/2017 12:26

hoping we can work the rest through
How?
Do you want to stay with someone who is treating you like shite?
Do you want to stay with someone who has no respect for you?
Do you want to stay with someone who doesn't want to have sex with you ever again?
Do you want to stay with someone living a half life?

Wake up and smell the coffee!

trytobebestdad · 16/11/2017 12:32

How?
Do you want to stay with someone who is treating you like shite?
Do you want to stay with someone who has no respect for you?
Do you want to stay with someone who doesn't want to have sex with you ever again?
Do you want to stay with someone living a half life?

because she has given me 2 beautiful children, because we have had so many happy times together, because she is interesting and excites me every time i see her, always looks amazing - fully made up or in pyjamas drooling in her sleep,
because i get palpitations every time she touches me or hugs me and a thrill of excitement, because she has helped me through so much in my life
because i really enjoy spending time with her and love to go on adventures with her

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trytobebestdad · 16/11/2017 12:49

genuinely part of the problem i think is that i do too much for her
ive been reading this book she's asked me too called mating in captivity and they talk about it in that

im often buying her presents, flowers, bars of galaxy, occasional jewellery she never really gets anything for me or ever shows she thinks of me
i pay for 70-80% of things in the homse- credit card mortgage cleaner childcare etc despite us having similar incomes

i deal with all the finance things in the home, all the paperwork side of things, mortgage, do the majority of the washing (though she does the folding), i would say i would do the majority of stuff for the kids- taking them to birthday parties etc, doing thier reading books after school, i do the shopping, the majority of the cooking (Saying that we dont eat together any more theses days which we used to which is a shame), midweek tidy running errands etc,

in this book they seem to say that the more you do the less you are valued and taken for granted which in itself reduces the desire when you do do something nice for that person

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