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How to handle bonkers mother...or is it me???

43 replies

AsMuchUseAsAMarzipanDildo · 15/11/2017 19:38

Hi,

Randomly asking you lovely lot for advice because I’m at a loss how to handle this anymore - particularly as I’m in the process of recovering from PND and not feeling as if I have the mental reserves to figure it out.

The issue is my mum. My siblings and I had a very emotionally abusive childhood. She would smack us over the head (hard enough to get ear infections), literally mash food all over our faces if we didn’t eat everything, had affairs but told us not to tell our Dad, repeatedly tell my Dad we’d done something naughty when he was out (literally making stuff up) and encourage him to discipline us. They finally divorced when I was 11. Younger sister and I lived with her. Elder with my Dad. She then had a number of relationships with hideous men (meet them in a nightclub on Saturday, move them in on Monday and tell us they were our “new” Dad). My actual Dad remarried and while he’s not a bad person, just disengaged from us completely and moved on with his life. I see him as a more like a “friendly uncle” type figure.

In my teen years, many of these men were physically and sexually abusive. My mum made out like it was my fault - she’d take me out to buy a bra or to the GP to put me on the pill for heavy periods - then get them out in front of Aunts, work colleagues etc and be all like “Poor me, look what I’m dealing with, my children are sluts”. My younger sister went off the rails with it all. I was daft and tried to please her, in the process ending up isolated from anyone my own age and with a pretty bonkers idea what was normal. I stopped eating and washing. I think I just didn’t want to be attractive, I wanted to be invisible. I was referred to Camhs by the school nurse. My mum explicitly told me that I was allowed to talk about the bullying at school, not about anything at home. From then on, any time I argued with her, her trump card was always “Marzipan, I think you need to see your counsellor again, you’ve obviously got mental problems”

When I was 19 I went to uni. Realised how fucked up my life had been and took an overdose. My mum sat next to me in hospital and said “Honestly, I think I’m going to need some counselling myself to get over what you’ve done”. She then moved abroad...without even telling me, I found out two weeks before from her husband’s work colleague. When I confronted her she said “I didn’t want to upset you what with your mental problems”.

In the end, it was the best thing for me. I had years of counselling, CBT, mindfulness. I made friends, met my husband, went back to uni, got a degree, do a job I love.

Then when I was pregnant, my elder sister told me my mum had breast cancer. I decided to write to her and tell her my news, but also tried to explain that I needed space and time and her to respect my boundaries. She wrote back, was thrilled, happy days. Miraculously, the “cancer” was a cyst and without any histology etc they managed to tell her this on the same day as her op!

Only now she won’t leave me alone. She’s done some pretty out of order shit (to cut this rambling essay short), so when I asked for some space she has since repeatedly phoned me. When I reiterated that I needed space, she continued to ignore me and has today sent me a letter saying she’s “sorry for whatever I am supposed to have done”. I just feel like she’s gaslighting me again.

I’m not really expecting anyone to reply to be honest. I guess writing this down, I needed permission to end all contact with her. I feel bad because I know she’ll be gutted not to see my baby anymore, but I just can’t trust her not to do something batshit and I can’t trust myself not to allow her to press my buttons.

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MoMandaS · 15/11/2017 19:44

She won't be gutted about not seeing your baby because she loves you and would love her grandchild; she'll be gutted because she won't have a means of control/emotional abuse and she'll lose face in front of people she wants to impress with her fantasy of herself as a benevolent matriarch.

GrowThroughWhatYouGoThrough · 15/11/2017 19:45

You need to look after yourself and your baby. If the means going nc then so be it. From your post I don’t think you’d be able to trust your mother with your baby I certainly wouldn’t.
Your mental health is massively important don’t let her affect it because she honestly doesn’t sound worth it.
Good luck x

paganmolloy · 15/11/2017 19:48

You are absolutely right to ignore her. You owe her nothing. She'll see your new baby as new fodder for her malevolence. I'm truly sorry for all you've had to go through. She may have given birth to you but her behaviour has been appalling and as such, she has no rights or any rights as a granny either. I would be fearful of my child if she ever met her/his granny. Flowers

Babyblues052 · 15/11/2017 19:53

Your mum's an abuser remember that! She won't be upset about not seeing yous because she cares it's because youre cutting off her control.

From one survivor of abusive piece of shit parents to another cut her out. Have as minimum contact with her as you can. You've already gone through enough you deserve so much better. She will only drag you down.

Learn from her mistakes and take care of you and your family. I'm so glad you found happiness away from that. Flowers

She's toxic.

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 15/11/2017 19:57

You would be doing absolutely right in cutting her off. Enjoy the lovely life you have made for yourself and don't let her back in to poison it.

DancesWithOtters · 15/11/2017 20:01

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CDAlady · 15/11/2017 20:01

Oh my goodness. I really really feel for you! I am going through something similar with my dad at the moment and like you, most of my life has been spent half knowing it’s him not me and half wondering if his (batshit) view of reality is true. I really empathise. And what you have been through sounds much worse.

Although it sounds awful I have recently been relieved that my dad’s behaviour has been recognised as pathological ( I won’t go into details) as he has aged, things have deteriorated so much that he can’t hide it from other people any longer.

It really sounds like your mum has something wrong with her. This doesn’t mean that you have to help her or take responsibility in any way. It’s just something sad. You now need to protect yourself and your family and that means abcolutely to cut contact by whatever means necessary.

My dad often says that he loves me and until recently it stops me in my tracks, pulls at my heart strings and makes me wonder for the millionth time if there isn’t something I can do to make everything ok. I’m sure your mum tells you she loves you and your child. But she is not capable of loving behaviour and you must not fall into the trap of thinking that it will ever happen.

You must be amazingly resilient to have achieved everything you have so far and you must be a good and loving person to still have a small part of you that feels you should engage. Use your good judgement now. Cut contact, go to counselling again and surround yourself with good and loving people. You deserve nothing less

AsMuchUseAsAMarzipanDildo · 15/11/2017 20:17

Thank you all for your replies and time.

I think I know the right thing is to go no-contact with her. Just the act of writing all that out made me see a bit more clearly.

I need to look after my own family now and much of her recent behaviour to my sister’s family has made me think she’s too much of a liability.

Any advice on how to handle going no-contact? Part of me thinks I need to tell her, if I’m to have any chance of her leaving me alone. But how to do it without giving her the drama she so obviously wants?

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MoMandaS · 15/11/2017 20:27

Don't tell her. Just do it. Or, just keep making vague excuses, but that won't work forever.

Aquamarine1029 · 15/11/2017 20:46

Take control back and end this toxic, worthless relationship. You've worked too hard to allow her to fuck up your life yet again.

Mustang27 · 15/11/2017 21:18

Bin, block & move on. She has brought you nothing but upset. I have went nc with both my parents due to an emotionally and physically abusive childhood and iv tried to give them chances throughout my adult life but they are just the same people still desperate to control and pretty much destroy whatever life I have managed to build for myself.

It did nothing but dredge up the past and leave me with all the same questions. Now I have my own family I have vowed never to let them back in and iv never felt better. I wouldn’t care if they died tomorrow I have decided they just don’t exist anymore and I’m so much better off without it.

Hopefully you can find a way to get some peace back in your life. Look after yourself and your baby forget the rest.

AsMuchUseAsAMarzipanDildo · 15/11/2017 21:35

Thank you. I needed the hand-hold tonight. It always feels as if everyone else has perfect, happy, loving families - I feel like I’m from another planet when people talk about Christmas and Mother’s Day.

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blueskydreams · 15/11/2017 21:41

She is a batshit evil horror
I've been no contact with my mother for around 15 years and she's nowhere near as bad as yours
Cut her out ASAP

blueskydreams · 15/11/2017 21:43

She will only ever Sabotage you
don't let her do it

RandomMess · 15/11/2017 21:44

You cannot you NC quickly enough Flowers

Wormulonian · 15/11/2017 22:01

You should go no contact - and try not to be guilted into engaging with her. It does sometimes seem like everyone has lovely families - their mum is always their best friend. People on TV are always saying everyone loves their mum etc. Friends with nice mums just don't understand it. However, there are many of us who had abusive upbringings and we need to break that cycle. The other posters are right she only wants to control you and use your DC as an in road. Block her number if you can and don't engage she will only bring you more unhappiness and stress.

whirlygirly · 15/11/2017 22:08

Good god. It's so not you. I'm so sorry you've had that shit to deal with.

You are absolutely not the only one who finds the whole Mother's Day thing hard, there's always some great threads on here around that time which help. It's very difficult and almost taboo to talk about in rl I find.

Mustang27 · 15/11/2017 22:17

An abusive mum?!?! Seriously that can’t be right is generally the reaction you get if you talk about it even slightly and for some reason there is often a weird victim blaming thing that goes on with children especially girls from abusive households I find. Im just glad that if it causes a reaction of shear disbelief then it’s not all that common as I wouldn’t wish my childhood on my worst enemy and their are others out there that have suffered far worse at the hands of a parent. It is them I applaud for surviving such a shit reality every day and making it often to adulthood being a genuinely lovely person. Wine

tiptopteepe · 15/11/2017 22:21

Go no contact. Do you really want someone like that in your childs life? If she was capable of hurting you shes capable of hurting them.
My mother was abused by her mother but then still allowed her mother into my life because 'she was old and she felt sorry for her' She did similar things to me. Age wont stop them.
Protect yourself and your child and block her number. If she starts trying to contact you in other ways go to the police. This woman abused you and allowed you to be abused you dont need to feel any guilt for cutting her out of your life. I know its hard but its the best thing to do it doesnt sound like shes changed or has any intention of doing so. It doesnt even sound like she acknowledges that she ever did anything wrong.
Good luck to you and well done for being so strong and sorting out your life. Flowers

tiptopteepe · 15/11/2017 22:24

and my advice on going no contact would be to keep it as simple and as unemotional as possible. Say something very clear like 'I no longer wish to have any contact with you' Dont explain or get led into a conversation just leave it at that and then completely stop all contact. She will doubtless try and emotionally manipulate you and guilt you and the best response is absolutely no response at all.

tiptopteepe · 15/11/2017 22:33

also just to add that after you have told someone you no longer wish to have contact with them and clearly have not contacted them further yourself, then them constantly trying to contact you would be considered harassment by the police.
I have a restraining order on someone and the tone of the messages does not have to be threatening just negative and persistent and effecting your state of mind. The police do take it seriously so dont worry that she could continue to bother you and eventually wear you down.
I know it might seem like a harsh step and hopefully it wont come to that because she will just back off once you tell her you dont want contact.
The law is there to protect you however. It is an offence to constantly contact someone who wants no contact, even if they are a family member. All you need to do is keep copies of the message you sent telling her you wanted no contact from her and then any subsequent messages she sends. Thats all the police need. Then they would go to her address to give her a warning and if she continued to do it you could then get an actual restraining order.

mineofuselessinformation · 15/11/2017 22:35

That's really tough. You're going through a hard time yourself, and I guess you'd love for her to give you some support.
I think you already know she won't.
Put yourself first - do what is most likely to make you the most happy and comfortable with your life. I think that sadly, that means being NC with her for at least the meantime.
Don't respond, at least until you feel 'in a better place' yourself, and even then take it slowly if you want to get back in contact.
I hope you have people around you who can help and support you through your PND. Flowers

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 15/11/2017 22:45

How to go NC? Well, look at these two statements you made yourself.

Part of me thinks I need to tell her, if I’m to have any chance of her leaving me alone. But how to do it without giving her the drama she so obviously wants?

when I asked for some space she has since repeatedly phoned me. When I reiterated that I needed space, she continued to ...

You already told her you want her to back off and she upped the harrassment and drama.

Don't read her letters. Block her phone number.

I have a bonkers mother, not as bad as yours, but still the only way to be free of the drama is to 100% not engage. Grey rock.

Other people do not all have perfect loving families. As I've got older I've realised that every family has bad people. The happy families are estranged from the bad people. The unhappy families still have the bad people in close contact. You can choose which type of family yours will be.

Amber5099 · 15/11/2017 22:46

Awk sorry to hear your going through something like this but my advice would be to put you and the baby first
If you don’t trust her and from what she did to you she could possibly do the same to your baby
If you feel your both safer and more secure without her then possibly cut contact it wouldn’t be fair on you or baby if she emotionally abused you and child when she pleases x